Hamura and Naruto: Naruto's next level!

[Tobi98]

I wonder what powers he would have if indeed he didn't originally posses Yin? What do you think?

Maybe something to do with Juugo's powers (but much stronger)

 

[Callypigia]

That was very well thought out. I always liked the idea that Hamura had a different power. Someone had wondered if maybe he was Lord Jashin or something interesting like that.

 

[Angie4568OST]

i think also his bijuu mantle is still incomplete

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

You can’t take pure Yang chakra and split it into Yin and Yang because the Yin chakra doesn’t exist, and vice versa" that is actually highly inaccurate.

okay so one I can tell you are a potential madara fan and naruto fan but I see where you come from. But there are flaws you have one you make it sound like you can't split Ying and yang chakra evenly you actually can as Naruto was able to do that with other ninjas when he divided power among them kurama as a pure yang chakra being was actually able to manifest.

now to sasuke not getting a power up, sasuke is related to hamura in a sense if Naruto is closer to hagoromo then sasuke is closer to hamura then by your logic sasuke is MORE entitled to hamura's power then Naruto? That is incorrect sasuke's right eye is underdeveloped (despite having a EMS) hinting sasuke will get both eyes eventually most likely after hamura power up.

According to Ying and yang, one cannot exist without the other. Which is probably where you get hagoromo is yang and hamura is yin...just no you saw one hand and instantly imply that hagoromo is yang did you see his other hand? No hagoromo had yin and yang from birth and hamura most likely had the same that or hamura was wuji a being devoid of yin and yang which in itself sounds deadly.

I'm sure they both had it, why? The sages ability to use the creation of all things. Even if the sage was yang and his brother was yin and his brother gave hagoromo part of his power that makes no sense by itself. Saauke and Naruto are meant to be equal but since Naruto has the tailed beast chakras he appears stronger in terms of raw power he is actually sasuke is smarter that's how it is.

Naruto has similar ideals to hagoromo/ashura the juubi never knew ashura since it was long since sealed by hagoromo and hamura so the closest comparison is hagoromo when you have similar ideals to someone you see that person in the person that shares your ideals. . .

and no no no madara was not the father. Madara had the juubi's chakra which us the original. . .sasuke looked capable of taking on a one eyed juubidara but two eyes no he couldn't. I do acknowledge your prediction of hagoromo being yang and hamura being yin in as sense but it sounds inaccurate as hamura dying sounds odd that would destroy the theory of the reaper death seal theory unless it was a sacrificial jutsu of the sort to become the reaper.

now my latter statement pure yin and pure yang exist. Yin is more spiritual so it has more to do with that it us not tangible or concrete. Yang as you know is all around us the physical realm hagpromo was able to harness this as by controlling illusion something intangible them adding yang which makes it tangible. This creation of all things. Kaguya was highly strong I'm sure both her sons were born with both yin and yang albeit on a smaller scale.

I understand what you mean but kishki confirmed sasuke as a final Gillian and fave hints of him getting a second eye probably from hamura then that'd be good.i think sasuke will take something from someone if naruto's son has the power to give life as is the symbolism of the sun which is life sasuke should have the ability to take life and abilities as the moon represents full power and the end of something that's moon symbolism. Think about it sasuke's moon mark has to do something like Naruto's sun mark can.

in conclusion hamura shall appear via repeat death seal probably by the fourth or third homage. Or bee will show up with the tools and inside one of the jars hamura is sealed inside. Either way when Naruto gets his power up he'll get a new jacket and sasuke will gain the right eye sharinnegan which then means they will equal kaguya level. Naruto cannot and will not solo kaguya to save his life trust me he wont and can't he needs sasuke and sasuke needs him so both will gain power from hamura. I'm a sasuke fan at least in being fair to Naruto as well instead of hyping Naruto both characters have to be equal in a sense to beat kaguya in my opinion.

 

[GodKage]

great read, really liked it

 

[AllHailKurama]

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Thanks! =D

This is an excellent break down. Detailed and analyzed explanation of logic. Nice work!

Thanks a lot, glad you enjoyed!

Maybe something to do with Juugo's powers (but much stronger)

So like a super sage/curse mark mode thing on steroids?

 

[Tobi98]

So like a super sage/curse mark mode thing on steroids?

I'm thinking that he has the ability to absorb all Natural Energy that he wants, controls it and makes some Bijuu Mode but made of Natural Energy

 

[mohdzarif]

You can’t take pure Yang chakra and split it into Yin and Yang because the Yin chakra doesn’t exist, and vice versa" that is actually highly inaccurate.

okay so one I can tell you are a potential madara fan and naruto fan but I see where you come from. But there are flaws you have one you make it sound like you can't split Ying and yang chakra evenly you actually can as Naruto was able to do that with other ninjas when he divided power among them kurama as a pure yang chakra being was actually able to manifest.

now to sasuke not getting a power up, sasuke is related to hamura in a sense if Naruto is closer to hagoromo then sasuke is closer to hamura then by your logic sasuke is MORE entitled to hamura's power then Naruto? That is incorrect sasuke's right eye is underdeveloped (despite having a EMS) hinting sasuke will get both eyes eventually most likely after hamura power up.

According to Ying and yang, one cannot exist without the other. Which is probably where you get hagoromo is yang and hamura is yin...just no you saw one hand and instantly imply that hagoromo is yang did you see his other hand? No hagoromo had yin and yang from birth and hamura most likely had the same that or hamura was wuji a being devoid of yin and yang which in itself sounds deadly.

I'm sure they both had it, why? The sages ability to use the creation of all things. Even if the sage was yang and his brother was yin and his brother gave hagoromo part of his power that makes no sense by itself. Saauke and Naruto are meant to be equal but since Naruto has the tailed beast chakras he appears stronger in terms of raw power he is actually sasuke is smarter that's how it is.

Naruto has similar ideals to hagoromo/ashura the juubi never knew ashura since it was long since sealed by hagoromo and hamura so the closest comparison is hagoromo when you have similar ideals to someone you see that person in the person that shares your ideals. . .

and no no no madara was not the father. Madara had the juubi's chakra which us the original. . .sasuke looked capable of taking on a one eyed juubidara but two eyes no he couldn't. I do acknowledge your prediction of hagoromo being yang and hamura being yin in as sense but it sounds inaccurate as hamura dying sounds odd that would destroy the theory of the reaper death seal theory unless it was a sacrificial jutsu of the sort to become the reaper.

now my latter statement pure yin and pure yang exist. Yin is more spiritual so it has more to do with that it us not tangible or concrete. Yang as you know is all around us the physical realm hagpromo was able to harness this as by controlling illusion something intangible them adding yang which makes it tangible. This creation of all things. Kaguya was highly strong I'm sure both her sons were born with both yin and yang albeit on a smaller scale.

I understand what you mean but kishki confirmed sasuke as a final Gillian and fave hints of him getting a second eye probably from hamura then that'd be good.i think sasuke will take something from someone if naruto's son has the power to give life as is the symbolism of the sun which is life sasuke should have the ability to take life and abilities as the moon represents full power and the end of something that's moon symbolism. Think about it sasuke's moon mark has to do something like Naruto's sun mark can.

in conclusion hamura shall appear via repeat death seal probably by the fourth or third homage. Or bee will show up with the tools and inside one of the jars hamura is sealed inside. Either way when Naruto gets his power up he'll get a new jacket and sasuke will gain the right eye sharinnegan which then means they will equal kaguya level. Naruto cannot and will not solo kaguya to save his life trust me he wont and can't he needs sasuke and sasuke needs him so both will gain power from hamura. I'm a sasuke fan at least in being fair to Naruto as well instead of hyping Naruto both characters have to be equal in a sense to beat kaguya in my opinion.

First, what Naruto's chakra sharing have nothing to do or similar to the splitting of Yin and Yang from Hagoromo? Hagoromo was divided exactly into Yin and Yang (Indra and Ashura). Naruto shared his Yang Kurama chakra and everybody got small portions of Yang Kurama chakra. I don't understand why you compare these 2 things.

Yang is Yang only, can't be divided into Yin and Yang, it's simple. And it's the same thing for Yin.

Also, the one confirmed occasion Creation of All Things was actually used by Hagoromo was on his deathbed to create the Bijuus. Before that we didn't actually know when he actually used it.

And also we don't actually have proof either for whether Hagoromo was born with both Yin and Yang or not. Remember that Kaguya was wondering that if it were Hagoromo's and Hamura's power that Naruto and Sasuke got, after realizing that they got the "Sun and Moon techniques". That's why the OP implied that Hagoromo was Yang and Hamura was Yin.

 

[Kage BoOmBa No Jutsu]

another nice breakdown of logic. there is a lot of truth to back up YIN and YANG. the key to this chakra transfer has yet to be explained fully for sasuke. the fact that he was able to recieve one eye could mean he might recieve the other one somehow, or maybe there is a special eye ability like izanami/izakagi where you only get one shot at countering the affects a particular technique

 

[Angelic.]

its weird bc hago in this chap was shown only showing the sun mark and his staff he had was sun up... maybe he really only did have the yang. or not.kaguya said it was hago who gave them those markings.. not hamura. which means hago alawys had them?..... i dunno

 

[Zealous Sparks]

Very well thought out theory Great job!!

 

[nidhi]

i hope naruto (only)gets the powerup..

 

[The Work]

Very interesting sir. + rep

 

[AllHailKurama]

i like the part about the 8 beast. Leaving naruto the remaining chakra. There is a panel that did show both halves of kyuubi's yin and yang. when minato joined the fight with one arm.

That was a badass moment

That was very well thought out. I always liked the idea that Hamura had a different power. Someone had wondered if maybe he was Lord Jashin or something interesting like that.

Thanks!

And it's possible, nothing is set in stone! I wonder then, how Hidan would relate to Hamura then?

i think also his bijuu mantle is still incomplete

Naruto's? Yeah I believe so too, thus part of the reason that he wouldn't be able to take Kaguya on his own.

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You can’t take pure Yang chakra and split it into Yin and Yang because the Yin chakra doesn’t exist, and vice versa" that is actually highly inaccurate.

So how do you create something out of nothing?

okay so one I can tell you are a potential madara fan and naruto fan but I see where you come from. But there are flaws you have one you make it sound like you can't split Ying and yang chakra evenly you actually can as Naruto was able to do that with other ninjas when he divided power among them kurama as a pure yang chakra being was actually able to manifest.

Naruto fan, yes, Madara was ok for me. I was pretty nuetral towards him. Naruto didn't split Kurama's chakra at all, he merely transformed it to match the type of chakra of each ninja he gave it to, as seen here:

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now to sasuke not getting a power up, sasuke is related to hamura in a sense if Naruto is closer to hagoromo then sasuke is closer to hamura then by your logic sasuke is MORE entitled to hamura's power then Naruto? That is incorrect sasuke's right eye is underdeveloped (despite having a EMS) hinting sasuke will get both eyes eventually most likely after hamura power up.

He may be more like Hamura, we're not sure. I only said that they possessed the same kind of chakra. Naruto might actually be a direct descendent of Hamura, as Sasuke is a descendant of Hagoromo. We aren't sure of his other abilities die to him not using both eyes

According to Ying and yang, one cannot exist without the other. Which is probably where you get hagoromo is yang and hamura is yin...just no you saw one hand and instantly imply that hagoromo is yang did you see his other hand? No hagoromo had yin and yang from birth and hamura most likely had the same that or hamura was wuji a being devoid of yin and yang which in itself sounds deadly.

Your right. Yin and Yang cant exist without each other. But look at the pattern of the series. Ashura and Indra, Hashirama and Madara, Naruto and Sasuke. Whenever there is Yin and Yang, they exist in two separate bodies at first. How is it illogical to expect the same of Hamura and Hagoromo?

I'm sure they both had it, why? The sages ability to use the creation of all things. Even if the sage was yang and his brother was yin and his brother gave hagoromo part of his power that makes no sense by itself. Saauke and Naruto are meant to be equal but since Naruto has the tailed beast chakras he appears stronger in terms of raw power he is actually sasuke is smarter that's how it is.

The creation of all things seems to be a function of the Yang by itself, as shown when Kakashi had his eye recreated by Naruto.

Naruto has similar ideals to hagoromo/ashura the juubi never knew ashura since it was long since sealed by hagoromo and hamura so the closest comparison is hagoromo when you have similar ideals to someone you see that person in the person that shares your ideals. . .

Or maybe he felt the same type of chakra in Naruto as Hagoromo had, and felt that Naruto was related to Hamura. Who knows. The Juubi isn't able to think on it's own from what we've seen, so it processing idealism is far fetched

and no no no madara was not the father. Madara had the juubi's chakra which us the original. . .sasuke looked capable of taking on a one eyed juubidara but two eyes no he couldn't. I do acknowledge your prediction of hagoromo being yang and hamura being yin in as sense but it sounds inaccurate as hamura dying sounds odd that would destroy the theory of the reaper death seal theory unless it was a sacrificial jutsu of the sort to become the reaper.

Madara had the chakra of Hagoromo (the father) and was trying "to reach" Hagoromo:

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I understand what you mean but kishki confirmed sasuke as a final Gillian and fave hints of him getting a second eye probably from hamura then that'd be good.i think sasuke will take something from someone if naruto's son has the power to give life as is the symbolism of the sun which is life sasuke should have the ability to take life and abilities as the moon represents full power and the end of something that's moon symbolism. Think about it sasuke's moon mark has to do something like Naruto's sun mark can.

He hasn't given any hints of sasuke getting a second eye...

in conclusion hamura shall appear via repeat death seal probably by the fourth or third homage. Or bee will show up with the tools and inside one of the jars hamura is sealed inside. Either way when Naruto gets his power up he'll get a new jacket and sasuke will gain the right eye sharinnegan which then means they will equal kaguya level. Naruto cannot and will not solo kaguya to save his life trust me he wont and can't he needs sasuke and sasuke needs him so both will gain power from hamura. I'm a sasuke fan at least in being fair to Naruto as well instead of hyping Naruto both characters have to be equal in a sense to beat kaguya in my opinion.\

Fair enough, thats an interesting theory

My answers are in bold

i hope naruto (only)gets the powerup..

That would be pretty cool U_U

Very interesting sir. + rep

Thanks a lot bro, glad you enjoyed =D

 

[Transcendence]

So... Rin'negan Naruto? Hamura would have to give Sasuke something as well to compensate. I was thinking along the same lines that Naruto and Sasuke would have to ascend power levels once more to battle Kaguya, since the whole Parent -> Sibling+Sibling dynamic is consistently shown in the manga, and more prominently as of late. We saw against Madara (who was about Hagoromo level) that with Hagoromo's split powers, they were able to contest him. But Kaguya as you said, is a complete being in a sense. Being on a different level.

If Naruto were to obtain Hamura's Yin split and get the Rin'negan, Sasuke would need to get his Yang split, and gain Senjutsu on a similar level to Naruto. Both essentially becoming Hagoromo and Hamura themselves, but being more prominent in one aspect.

Sasuke -> Two Sharrinegan's (Higher Dojutsu than Hagoromo to prove the split between Hamura and Hagoromo) and Hamura's Senjutsu (Slightly lower level than Hagoromo to again, compensate for the split as Hagoromo was the Yang and had the stronger body for Senjutsu)

Naruto -> Two Rin'negans (Lower Dojutsu than Sasuke to again, show that he is lower on the Yin scale than Sasuke with Dojutsu) and his Current Six Paths Senjutsu (Higher than Hamura's Senjutsu as he represents Hagoromo, whom had the stronger body to seal the Juubi inside himself in the first place).

I can't even fathom how powerful these two will be by the end...​

 

[Kage BoOmBa No Jutsu]

i had once thought that the kyuubi chakra was all HATRED, until naruto was able to remove his half of kyuubi HATRED while minato's half is untouched. not entirely sure

 

[AllHailKurama]

its weird bc hago in this chap was shown only showing the sun mark and his staff he had was sun up... maybe he really only did have the yang. or not.kaguya said it was hago who gave them those markings.. not hamura. which means hago alawys had them?..... i dunno

I think that he only had Yang to begin with, but later received Yin from Hamura. Because of this, he was able to give Naruto and Sasuke each Yang and Yin, respectively. She probably just knew that it was Hagoromo that meddled. Maybe she knew that since both of them recieved Yin and Yang, that it had to be Hagoromo because Hamura wouldn't have been able to give Naruto Yang, since he didn't have any.

Very well thought out theory Great job!!

Thanks a lot! And thanks for the rep! Apparently there's a limit to how much you can rep at one time, so I can't rep you back right now, but I will ASAP!!!

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

The sword of nunboku that obito talked about that he said hagorono used to shape the world, it may be an exaggeration or a reference to the creation of all things, tue splitting of the juubi, and yeah I think there's others. And yeah I shouldn't have compared them.

it may be that way but maybe it's not the chakra she saw but their idealistic ways maybe hamura had similar a personality to his mother (his brother probably persuaded him against that) if that's the case it'd be a cliché but probable just like indra and sasuke.

btw notice how juubito looked more like hagoromo and juubidara looked more like hamura. That has to be some type of significance or signification. Hagoromo looked like his father while hamura from his hair most likely looked like kaguya. But we don't know the sages father. There have Ben jokes that it may be a zetsu.

but it is clarified that hamura and hagoromo have relation directly to uzumaki's as in the color scams I'm not sure if official but kaguya along with hagoromo has reddish hair like the uzumaki's. The red hair must be a identification to vitililaty I think hamura had white hair or red I'll have to look again if white then he is probably yin and hagoromo is yang but I doubt it I think yin and yang was sepersted evenly between the two.

Senju+Uchiha=complete izanagi apparently so I think that proves hagoromo has both yin and yang from birth most likely. Yes yes hamura could've given him power but wouldn't he need to give him a certain amount to get the moon sign in another words his entire power? As hagoromo did to sasuke and Naruto? Thatd be inaccurate that'd disprove many things in itself especially hints kishki had thrown.

and yes sasuke has yet to use ameterasu and other abilities. I think he'll get hamura's powers like Naruto.
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you can stop here this is to explain how evenly yin characters lets say sasuke and yang characters like Naruto are equal.

okay first lets start with yin characters like sasuke with sages power he has the sages powerful chakra in other words because of chakra. Power sasuke can do things like touch madara's rods and able to use high level techniques with little to no chakra. With spiritual energy he is highly resistant to genjutsu and can overcome things by pure spiritual will power it also empowers techniques as chakra comes from within and outside. With the eyes he has many moves in his arsenal.

yang chakra like Naruto had the physical energy that gives him high durability, super strength common physical super powers flying is to expected too, with the sages body baruto's body is very tough and it takes high level techniques to harm him like those of yin chakra it another powerful yang force. With the willpower well that's self explanatory.

now lets compare them to average lets say you have two chakra bars for yin and 4 for yang yang looks better right? Wrong cause of yangs vastness it has four but yin doesn't have to put much effort so yin uses half a bar compared to yangs 1 bar usage now compare 1/2=1 they use an even amount of chakra and cause of yins powerful chakra they can harm yang but yang can take it and dish out their own but due to yin's abilities they can avoid this, etc.

when I keep saying yin I mean sasuke or indra and yang would be Naruto and ashura. That's just my take

 

[AllHailKurama]

So... Rin'negan Naruto? Hamura would have to give Sasuke something as well to compensate. I was thinking along the same lines that Naruto and Sasuke would have to ascend power levels once more to battle Kaguya, since the whole Parent -> Sibling+Sibling dynamic is consistently shown in the manga, and more prominently as of late. We saw against Madara (who was about Hagoromo level) that with Hagoromo's split powers, they were able to contest him. But Kaguya as you said, is a complete being in a sense. Being on a different level.

If Naruto were to obtain Hamura's Yin split and get the Rin'negan, Sasuke would need to get his Yang split, and gain Senjutsu on a similar level to Naruto. Both essentially becoming Hagoromo and Hamura themselves, but being more prominent in one aspect.

Sasuke -> Two Sharrinegan's (Higher Dojutsu than Hagoromo to prove the split between Hamura and Hagoromo) and Hamura's Senjutsu (Slightly lower level than Hagoromo to again, compensate for the split as Hagoromo was the Yang and had the stronger body for Senjutsu)

Naruto -> Two Rin'negans (Lower Dojutsu than Sasuke to again, show that he is lower on the Yin scale than Sasuke with Dojutsu) and his Current Six Paths Senjutsu (Higher than Hamura's Senjutsu as he represents Hagoromo, whom had the stronger body to seal the Juubi inside himself in the first place).

I can't even fathom how powerful these two will be by the end...​

Everything you said is entirely plausible. The problem though is that to be able to split your chakra into Yin and Yang, you have to have both Yin and Yang. So how would Hamura be able to give out Yang to Sasuke if he doesn't have Yang himself?

If Hamura were to give Sasuke anything, it would probably be some of his Yin to elevate Sasuke's eye tech's a bit, so that he could help Naruto. That would put Sasuke closer to Naruto, but a little less strong.

And you're right, they have potential to be broken as **** by the end of the story.

i had once thought that the kyuubi chakra was all HATRED, until naruto was able to remove his half of kyuubi HATRED while minato's half is untouched. not entirely sure

Kurama was alwas just chakra that felt an immense amount of hatred due to mistreatment by everybody.

I'm thinking that he has the ability to absorb all Natural Energy that he wants, controls it and makes some Bijuu Mode but made of Natural Energy

Hmm. I never thought of it that way, that would be pretty cool to have complete command over all Nature energy. If so, he probably killed himself due to looking like Jugo when he got mad. No ladies want a guy that looks like Jugo U_U XD

 

[Kage BoOmBa No Jutsu]

What are your thoughts on Madara at this point? I have an incling that the black rods that vanished from hashirama was for a different reason.