[Theory] Kaguya, Juubi & Shinju | We are all, we are the land!

[Shinato]

I think the theory does not make sense. If the Shinju originated from Kaguya, then Hagoromo was lying when he spoke of his mother various stages of power handling. She went from a good person to a corrupt person. If she always had Shinju, then these stage would not make any sense.

I think you are confusing current character who looks like Kaguya and the original Kaguya who geniunely was looking for peace.

The Kaguya looking for "peace" and the current one are the same. Just that they seem to have different ideals, as in her ideals changed. (That or she always had the current ideals.) I stated that she may have been putting up an act to look like a good person who wished for peace, while she was plotting to create everyone into an army. (Thus Hagoromo may have been lead to believe that her power corrupted her.)

 

[Byakugan12x]

Though I am not into this whole alien thing it was an interesting read particularly the last bit about humera and the gazo statue.

Nice theory. This just goes to show that Kaguya may think all existence in the current Naruto world should not have existed in the first place.

but, what you wrote made me think of some weird possibilities:

I have a feeling that she came to this naruto world dimension from her dimension to make an army to fight off another god or dimensional deity.

She was praised as a god right? There's also the other god Jashin. And most probably, 6 gods in total. Why six? Because of the six paths that the rinnegan user can use. Each path refers to a dimension and each path of the rinnegan is a power belonging to the gods of each dimension. You know how Jashin worshipers cannot die, same ways the rinnegan user can prevent people from dying by giving them life(how rinne tensei works or how Nagato managed to re-animate the fallen Pain bodies).

A person as powerful as her couldnt possibly need soldiers for anything. But, if she were to fight against someone as powerful as her? That would explain the army right?

But then Naruto would cease to become a story of a ninja boy and become something else entirely, at which point the only people still reading the manga would be Kishimoto and the editor.


Nice theory btw! Hope what i wrote never comes to fruition

^ i Like this idea!

 

[beast7960]

Doesn't really make much sense if The shinju originated from Kaguya, more like she came from another dimension/planet which became uninhabitable due to war/fighting to find a planet she could call her own. She ate the fruit so she could protect this planet, and became all mighty with all the Chakra on the planet.

When she gave birth to her two sons, a good portion of her chakra was taken and split into the two sons (think each had 1/3 of the mother's chakra). Upon seeing her mother become corrupt and realizing there was no redeeming her, they defeated/sealed her away as opposed to killing her since she was their mother.

Now chakra doesn't just disappear, so I'm guessing the two brothers used the remaining chakra from the now sealed mother and gave it to humanity as a show of good faith (they were the offspring of Kaguya and were most likely wary of the two considering what happened to them). The reason I say this is because when Kaguya was being revived, she was revived using black zetsu and the chakra of the people connected through the holy tree.

However, after time passed, people once again began to wage war, and the sage war yada yada ninshuu yada yada time came dream didnt happen.

The only thing that's a mystery to me is the Juubi, by itself it's not really all that powerful in comparison to the sage, considering Madara and Obito were able to control the damn thing. Also we see Hagoromo and Hamura fight the juubi when they were adults, so was it just running rampant throughout their childhood? My guess is that after Kaguya was sealed, good portion of her chakra returned to the holy tree which in turn spawned the Juubi.

 

[Shinato]

Doesn't really make much sense if The shinju originated from Kaguya, more like she came from another dimension/planet which became uninhabitable due to war/fighting to find a planet she could call her own. She ate the fruit so she could protect this planet, and became all mighty with all the Chakra on the planet. When she gave birth to her two sons, a good portion of her chakra was taken and split into the two sons (think each had 1/3 of the mother's chakra). Upon seeing her mother become corrupt and realizing there was no redeeming her, they defeated/sealed her away as opposed to killing her since she was their mother.

Now chakra doesn't just disappear, so I'm guessing the two brothers used the remaining chakra from the now sealed mother and gave it to humanity in an attempt to end conflict through ninshuu. The reason I say this is because when Kaguya was being revived, she was revived using black zetsu and the chakra of the people connected through the holy tree. The only thing that's a mystery to me in the Juubi, by itself it's not really all that powerful in comparison to the sage, considering Madara and Obito were able to control the damn thing. Also we see Hagromo and Hamura fight the juubi when they were adults, so was it just running rampant throughout their childhood?

I assumed that Hagoromo and Hamura gained 1/4 of Kaguya's total chakra each, meaning that combined they had just about half of what she originally had. Also, as I said in my theory the reason I do believe that Kaguya is the Shinju and never ate the fruit is that it makes little sense that Kaguya suddenly appeared the moment the fruit was finished growing. (Its more likely that she couldn't appear before because she originally came from the fruit. Which would also make sense visually wise as the fruit most likely has the same color as her hair and we all know that her hair can be insanely long. So the fruit may actually be her covering herself in the hair as a type of cocoon.) Kaguya is taken from a old Japanese Fairy Tale about the Moon princess, in which a girl was found inside a bamboo tree. It wouldn't be that far fetched to say that Kaguya was reborn from the fruit of the Shinju which is a tree. (As in, she was born/found from a tree.) I also believe that the Juubi didn't exist before the fight with Hagoromo and Hamura, as if it did then Kaguya would have defeated it for "peace" as it would have destroyed most of the planet she wanted to protect. (In order to make an army.) That is why I said that Kaguya deformed and turned into the Juubi during her fight with her sons. (In which she either released all her power or lost control over it and turned into the deformed Juubi which we know. Which has one big eye, mouth and a ear randomly placed to make it look deformed.) That would explain why it wasn't around before and why they were fighting it, and why the Juubi was so fixated in getting its chakra back while it was out of control. Kaguya wanted the chakra back, but she lost control over her powers and when she mutated her will of getting the chakra back was still stuck in the Juubi, only in a crazed form. Kaguya also remembers an adult Hagoromo in a battle stance (I think it is a battle stance) which means she saw him as an adult and in battle before she "died". Which is another reason why I think she fought her sons in the past and we only know that Hamura and Hagoromo fought the Juubi in the past.

 

[beast7960]

The reason Kaguya arrived on earth when the fruit bloomed is because plot, otherwise there wouldn't be a manga. Even Hagoromo stated that his mother came from a faraway place, a long with the story that the fruit blooms every thousand years, so what was she doing all the other times the fruit bloomed? I do agree with you though on the Juubi being some form of kaguya, seeing as how the Juubi eye is Kaguya's third eye.

 

[Shinato]

The reason Kaguya arrived on earth when the fruit bloomed is because plot, otherwise there wouldn't be a manga. Even Hagoromo stated that his mother came from a faraway place, a long with the story that the fruit blooms every thousand years, so what was she doing all the other times the fruit bloomed? I do agree with you though on the Juubi being some form of kaguya, seeing as how the Juubi eye is Kaguya's third eye.

She came from a faraway place and planted/became the Shinju. While she was that and waited for the Fruit to grow she created the nature and the world around, which is why she appeared once the fruit was finished. She was using her power in the Shinju to create a world, a nursery she could turn into soldiers.

 

[Seventh Sama]

Nice thread, can't say I totally agree tho.
I do think she's an alien of some kind but I think she got banished from the world/dimension that she came from (I got this idea from the tale of the bamboo cutter, it said Kaguya-hime got banished from the moon)

I guess she was searching for the ultimate power and an army to fight her way back into her homeworld.
But the reasons why she had kids and waited so long to reclaim their chakra is unknown.

This is what I'm assuming, but once again great read^.

 

[johnny335704]

Really nice to read. Good

 

[Rohan]

Did you add an Edit Section ? Very nice thought process. =D