Madara's badass return and the end of Kaguya!!

[AGoodBoy]

I like the part where you sort of implied we could get an explanation on just how madara survived against hashi.... If madara setup this incident, so that kaguya could come out and power herself up to the max, so that he could then return in the same way he did with hashi, that would be some amazing genius right there...

although, if something like that happens, I'll call it an asspull unless madara explains that he knew, and how he knew, black zetsu would betray him... If madara setup these current events, yet didn't know BZ would betray him, that'd be a complete ass pull.

Anyway, I just want to see what kishi will do with kaguya this week to make her seem any bit interesting. As of now, I don't see anything she can bring to the story apart from a history lesson... Madara already completed his entire plan.

 

[Shinato]

MADARA IS THE REALL TOBI!

The charming part about your theory is how its littered with faults and terrible grammar. (Which is one of the main reasons I either thing you are child or a troll.) Madara has been proven wrong in many ways, and he was never the first to "unveil" the secrets of the world which he knows. Everything he knows, he learned from the Uchiha Tablet, which was written by Hagoromo. His way to peace was originally Kaguya's, and his hatred was originally Indra's. Is knowledge is Hagoromo's, his plan is Kaguya's and his feelings are Indra's. Madara was beaten, trolled and used by Kaguya over many, many years. ​

 

[Glazebone]

I think I get where you're coming from. As in Tobi=Madara, AS LONG AS you can prove that Madara was controlling Obito through some weird, undetectable genjutsu. I am not saying that you are completely right but if that is what you mean, then you need to advertise more correctly. Simply stating that Tobi=Madara misleads the readers.

If Madara is able to control Obito even after being pronounced 'dead' then I need to give the OP credit. However, I doubt that is the case. And I have just 1 argument to back my statement up:
When Kabuto reveals to Tobi(Obito) that the body of Madara was in that coffin, Tobi(Obito) is genuinely shocked. I think he never expected Kabuto or Orochimaru for that matter to dig so deep. Which leads me to believe that IF Madara was really Obito, he would have better knowledge on this.
When Madara is resurrected, even he is surprised that Kabuto managed to find out about him and even improve his body. And him stating that it was never in his plan to be revived using the Edo Tensei Technique leads me to question the 'security' of his Moon's Eye Plan. If Kabuto hadn't revived him, then how would he have come back? Madara was relying on the Rebirth Technique to be used by Obito(Tobi). However we saw that Obito was planning behind Madara's back all along.

There are only 2 possibilities here:
1) You are correct that Madara has been controlling Obito somehow, but not entirely. Even so I doubt he could make Obito perform the Rebirth through sheer manipulation.
2) Black Zetsu was still Madara's will at that time (or so we believed) and maybe he was acting as Madara's representative along-side Obito(Tobi)

It is getting way too complicated.

 

[minamoto]

I think I get where you're coming from. As in Tobi=Madara, AS LONG AS you can prove that Madara was controlling Obito through some weird, undetectable genjutsu. I am not saying that you are completely right but if that is what you mean, then you need to advertise more correctly. Simply stating that Tobi=Madara misleads the readers.

If Madara is able to control Obito even after being pronounced 'dead' then I need to give the OP credit. However, I doubt that is the case. And I have just 1 argument to back my statement up:
When Kabuto reveals to Tobi(Obito) that the body of Madara was in that coffin, Tobi(Obito) is genuinely shocked. I think he never expected Kabuto or Orochimaru for that matter to dig so deep. Which leads me to believe that IF Madara was really Obito, he would have better knowledge on this.
When Madara is resurrected, even he is surprised that Kabuto managed to find out about him and even improve his body. And him stating that it was never in his plan to be revived using the Edo Tensei Technique leads me to question the 'security' of his Moon's Eye Plan. If Kabuto hadn't revived him, then how would he have come back? Madara was relying on the Rebirth Technique to be used by Obito(Tobi). However we saw that Obito was planning behind Madara's back all along.

There are only 2 possibilities here:
1) You are correct that Madara has been controlling Obito somehow, but not entirely. Even so I doubt he could make Obito perform the Rebirth through sheer manipulation.
2) Black Zetsu was still Madara's will at that time (or so we believed) and maybe he was acting as Madara's representative along-side Obito(Tobi)

It is getting way too complicated.

Dude...when i said tobi is madara ...i dont mean that metaphorically or that madara was controling obito with genjutsu...what i meant is that another madara was inside obito's body and got integrated or sealed within obito's body...there were 3 persons inside obito...the spiral zetsu and the 2nd madara..the goofy tobi was spiral zetsu...but the badass tobi was madara...

-there is a good reason why tobidara let obito act by his free will...cue tobidara needed to hide...its maybe to trick kaguya...

-it was proven that black zetsu is kaguya's will wich means he hasn't got exact knwoledge to that of madara...its a fake madara will...so he can't stand for madara...

 

[ThousandLegs]

if Madara had any idea about Kaguya he wouldn't of been surprised about Black Zetsu betrayed him and he would of acted before she could of fully taken control since really what does he stand to gain by being controlled or letting the scam continue the answer is nothing

 

[KRZYNASTY]

another madara was inside obito's body and got integrated or sealed within

Please, provide the manga scan(s) that illustrate this occurring. If not, it's speculation, and or, misinterpretation.

You know, basically the usual from you.

 

[Angelic.]

unless theres an asspull from kishi via the curse seal on obitos heart then no. madara didnt know kaguya was in the shinju until recently and im not sure how it would help madara defeat her... he didnt know bz was kaguyas will.... i hope he stays gone.

 

[minamoto]

Please, provide the manga scan(s) that illustrate this occurring. If not, it's speculation, and or, misinterpretation.

You know, basically the usual from you.

nice try Mr bla bla but did'nt read !!!

 

[Captain Falcon]

the sharming of my theory is when i keep defending it ...its going to be revealed true....MADARA IS THE REALL TOBI!

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Just stop. It's not going to happen. Tobi = Obito end of.

 

[KRZYNASTY]

nice try Mr bla bla but did'nt read !!!

What a joke you're lawl.

I even asked you to prove where that was stated, and if you can, I'll believe that. Until then, it's just speculations.

 

[KRZYNASTY]

Another chapter and still no second Madara, what a shocker....

 

[Honord Sage]

Chapter 680 Everything Madara did is being wipe out by Kaguya as if He never existed. Madara fans that must really hurt your feelings.

 

[Orochimagus]

Yeah this is as logical as the "Other Madara" theory that included up to the Tobizetsu in the recent chapters. Seems more like this is about liking the character than following a logic here.

Madara was too weak to contain Kaguya's power and bloated out. Even if he was able to take over Kaguya he'd just bloat out again because this is outside of his scope.

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Madara died here. Think someone with Hashirama's Yang chakra would miss his life force? Think Hashirama hasn't killed enough people in the war to know when someone is dead? Just remember Black Zetsu kept Obito alive. Madara in turn was kept alive by Black Zetsu back then. This is the answer to Hashirama's "I don't know who revived Madara." comment.
In short, Madara didn't know of the origins of Black Zetsu, neither of the White Zetsu and every part of Madara's plans were merely Kaguya sending signals to his mind. His real dream was Konoha, not the Moon's Eye Plan.

 

[Orochimagus]

My bad, misread the picture. You are aware he did die there. NB is not letting me edit posts for some reason. Anyways, Kaguya seems to really like that spot there. Maybe that's the place her sons defeated her in.