Kisame vs Danzo

[Salad]

Never said he's getting blitzed, just getting tagged.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Josh. No. I will turn on a dime and defend Kisame if you think he is getting blitzed.

@FT: Solid points, I'll admit. I am skeptical if a seal can have chakra ripped from it as we haven't had much information stating either way, and several Sharingan users haven't be able to even see Danzo's seals (Obito and Sasuke, both the paralyzation and the final suicide technique). As for the rest, it shouldn't be an issue for Danzo to separate Samehada from an immobile Kisame. A kick or what not will do it. Not to mention shoving a kunai in his eyes, or vulnerable area's will do damage that may not be able to fix by Samehada's regen.

Obito and Sasuke not seeing his seal... You've mentioned this twice already, what exactly are you trying to get at here? They can see it as soon as it activates. I personally don't see why couldn't chakra be absorbed out of the seal, seeing as the chakra was taken out of it to nuture Naruto during child birth... as well Minato applying his chakra right into it in order to sustain it. Kisames innate ability to absorb chakra that has come in contact with his body is essentially what was happening to Kushinas seal during child birth. If Kisame was immobilized while clenching Samehada with his immense strength, it will indeed be quite the task for Danzo to disarm him. Especially considering the fact that Samehada can extend it's hilt to keep Danzo away, grow spikes, and even be fast enough to react to Bee's chakra cloak form on it's own [

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]. This could be a hassle. Also, I think it's worth mentioning that the only reason why it took Sasuke so long was because he broke himself free by accident. It took until Danzo pissed him off, resulting in Sasuke outraging. Breaking free could of been near instant if Sasuke was experienced enough and knew what he was doing.

Question. What do you think is Izanagi's spawn point range? Danzo has only shown to spawn around the general region that he died. Not anywhere close to the amount of distance it would take for him to be able to spawn out of the WD, if he were to be caught. If he was capable of spawning miles away from his point of death, don't you think he would of done so during his fight againt Sasuke? Either to escape or at least buy him enough time to charge up KA. It's for that reason alone, I don't believe even Izanagi is an adequate counter to the WD. And I haven't seen any posts that convinced me Danzo even potentially winning this.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I personally don't see why couldn't chakra be absorbed out of the seal,

Seals have never shown be be effected by absorbing techs. Kisame showed this, and even against Petra. But lets focus on Kisame:

When Kisame stabbed Bee with Samehada, in Water Dome, We should conclude that chakra is being absorbed internally and externally

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As we know Bee has the Iron Seal, that is keeping Hachibi inside him, plus enables/access Hachibi chakra, much like Naruto or any jinjiruki[

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The Iron Seal was never messed with.

seeing as the chakra was taken out of it to nuture Naruto during child birth... as well Minato applying his chakra right into it in order to sustain it.

This situation is different then chakra absorption, although you were aware of this, my statement above further proves this.

Kisame was immobilized while clenching Samehada with his immense strength, it will indeed be quite the task for Danzo to disarm him.

When used on Sasuke, it was already proven that no strength works in its paralyzed form, which is why he took Sasuke sword without even attempting to pull.

Especially considering the fact that Samehada can extend it's hilt to keep Danzo away, grow spikes, and even be fast enough to react to Bee's chakra cloak form on it's own [

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]. This could be a hassle. Also, I think it's worth mentioning that the only reason why it took Sasuke so long was because he broke himself free by accident. It took until Danzo pissed him off, resulting in Sasuke outraging. Breaking free could of been near instant if Sasuke was experienced enough and knew what he was doing.

How is Kisame more experience enough to do something about it, than Sasuke?

Question. What do you think is Izanagi's spawn point range? Danzo has only shown to spawn around the general region that he died. Not anywhere close to the amount of distance it would take for him to be able to spawn out of the WD, if he were to be caught. If he was capable of spawning miles away from his point of death, don't you think he would of done so during his fight againt Sasuke? Either to escape or at least buy him enough time to charge up KA. It's for that reason alone, I don't believe even Izanagi is an adequate counter to the WD. And I haven't seen any posts that convinced me Danzo even potentially winning this.

@Bold: Actually he has shown a region that was no where near his death spot, twice. [

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]. This location in this fight is very small, for one, which can explain the distance in the battlefield he decides to respawn. And two, the justu was stated to change your destiny, so is completely reason that he is able to state he change the distance, to where he wont make the "mistake". Obito's personal view also gives evidence on how he sees the range[

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]. Plus Obito further supports Izanagi when he fell into Konan's Paper God Pit, and came back up.

 

[Conspirator.]

Seals cannot be absorbed via chakra absorption. That is common knowledge. If kisame gets caught, his only option would be break out using his chakra strength the way sasuke did, but he has shown no feats for us to conclude that.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Seals have never shown be be effected by absorbing techs. Kisame showed this, and even against Petra. But lets focus on Kisame:

When Kisame stabbed Bee with Samehada, in Water Dome, We should conclude that chakra is being absorbed internally and externally

You must be registered for see images

As we know Bee has the Iron Seal, that is keeping Hachibi inside him, plus enables/access Hachibi chakra, much like Naruto or any jinjiruki[

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].

The Iron Seal was never messed with.



This situation is different then chakra absorption, although you were aware of this, my statement above further proves this.

Good point. I brought up Kushinas situation to merely prove that it isn't impossible for chakra to be taken out of a seal. Anyways, these are two different types of juinjutsu were talking about. Sealing juijutsu, then Danzo's cursed seal; and wasn't Kabuto planning on absorbing Orochimaru's chakra out of Anko's cursed seal to strengthen his ET? If not, then I'll concede on this point to weaken the seal. Kisame releasing his monstrous chakra reserves in tandem with his superhuman strength should still be enough.

When used on Sasuke, it was already proven that no strength works in its paralyzed form, which is why he took Sasuke sword without even attempting to pull.

Okay. Still doesn't change the fact that Kisame doesn't need to move in order to defend himself with Samehada.

How is Kisame more experience enough to do something about it, than Sasuke?

I would think someone in his 30's, who was in his villages anbu, as well as Akatsuki for many years, would know more about juinjutsu then a 16 year old kid. Second, Kisame had to of used juinjutsu on

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@Bold: Actually he has shown a region that was no where near his death spot, twice. [

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to

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] and [

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to

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]. This location in this fight is very small, for one, which can explain the distance in the battlefield he decides to respawn. And two, the justu was stated to change your destiny, so is completely reason that he is able to state he change the distance, to where he wont make the "mistake". Obito's personal view also gives evidence on how he sees the range[

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]. Plus Obito further supports Izanagi when he fell into Konan's Paper God Pit, and came back up.

That falls under the category of general region. Nowhere near the range to suggest he can respawn safely a mile or so away out of the WD. And for someone who needed to buy himself some time [

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] he played his cards awfully if he could truly respawn up anywhere he choses. So that's very doubtful.

 

[Zanzafry]

Kisame mid/high diff

 

[genii96]

Danzo mid diff

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Good point. I brought up Kushinas situation to merely prove that it isn't impossible for chakra to be taken out of a seal. Anyways, these are two different types of juinjutsu were talking about. Sealing juijutsu, then Danzo's cursed seal; and wasn't Kabuto planning on absorbing Orochimaru's chakra out of Anko's cursed seal to strengthen his ET? If not, then I'll concede on this point to weaken the seal. Kisame releasing his monstrous chakra reserves in tandem with his superhuman strength should still be enough.

Kabuto did, but notice, he used Sealing jutsu to extract the chakra into him[

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]. Many occasion vs. Seals, the manga has only shown that Seal jutsu get either overpowered or defeated by another sealing tech.

I would think someone in his 30's, who was in his villages anbu, as well as Akatsuki for many years, would know more about juinjutsu then a 16 year old kid. Second, Kisame had to of used juinjutsu on

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scroll.

Good Point.

That falls under the category of general region. Nowhere near the range to suggest he can respawn safely a mile or so away out of the WD. And for someone who needed to buy himself some time [

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] he played his cards awfully if he could truly respawn up anywhere he choses. So that's very doubtful.

I doubt WD goes miles to begin with. In fact, Paper God stretches out further distance then WD. So its safe to say he can get out. When I meant out, I mean at least around the edge of WD perimeter.