Manga Proof: Why Sasuke's Teleportation is far inferior to the Hiraishin no Jutsu!!

[Optimistic]

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HE's BACK!!!​

 

[3rd]

The throat is deep with this one.

 

[Hoshigaki Chan]

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HE's BACK!!!​

He ain't gonna make you his bride, sweetie.

 

[Optimistic]

He ain't gonna make you his bride, sweetie.

Already got a gf so its all cool. Lol

 

[3rd]

Maybe he can let u watch

Maybe let us all watch

 

[Hoshigaki Chan]

Already got a gf so its all cool. Lol

Your hand doesn't count.

 

[3rd]

What about the mouth

 

[madvictory]

Lol i knew it was you
Madara couldn't react to sasuke while he reacted to tobirama while not being a jin, and to minato without even moving

Sad, but true.
Thread soloed by Kratos93.

Madara easily reacted to Tobirama without even being a Jin.
Madara with the power of the Juubi and the vision of the Rinnegan wasn't able to react to Sasuke, yet he pwned SM Minato without moving at all.

To the OP: Please, stop being such a fanboy and trying to "calculate" something like this. Even if you did it right (which you didn't because there's no way of measuring a battlefield which was drawn in a piece of paper), real life logic doesn't work in the Manga.

 

[King Of Pop]

lol poor thread. has been completely shat on

 

[ShiroT]

he had his staff, same staf he used to shit on minato. he can easily use that but unfortunately sasuke is not minato as the latter was too fast.

you obviously dont know what a jutsu is.

this is a jutsu vs jutu not a sasuke vs minato

 

[King Of Pop]

you obviously dont know what a jutsu is.

this is a jutsu vs jutu not a sasuke vs minato

am merely responding to what that post said. its trying to downplay what sasuke did to madara by saying he had no black balls to defend himself but he had his staff is all i said. ive already given my view on the topic. next time read properly.

 

[ShiroT]

am merely responding to what that post said. its trying to downplay what sasuke did to madara by saying he had no black balls to defend himself but he had his staff is all i said. ive already given my view on the topic. next time read properly.

i see .

 

[Howling Fox]

Tobirama solo

 

[Gold Lightning]

11 pages, damn! minator rustled some serious jimmies XD

So much butthurt in a thread that isn't even downplaying a character, it's just showing the differences between 2 jutsu.

 

[King Of Pop]

11 pages, damn! minator rustled some serious jimmies XD

So much butthurt in a thread that isn't even downplaying a character, it's just showing the differences between 2 jutsu.

Quit dickriding the guy. everyone knows minator likes making threads to downplay sasuke including this one. No ones being fooled here.

 

[Minator93]

*Sigh*.
I skim read it, too long and not that interested.

You speak of manga facts.

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The logic behind those two scans like kamui also applies to Sasuke’s. So no you are wrong, the manga and character statements from minato/Kakashi have put kamui above hiraishin and since the logic behind their reasons is correct it applies to sasuke’s jutsu as well.

Speed:
Both hiraishin and Sasuke’s technique are instant.
Current naruto's foot speed should be faster than his bm mode as his abilities has been upgraded by both the sage and obito. He may rival juubi jin obito. Yet after getting a head start, sasuke still appeared before him. Take note that, the shorter the distance the harder it is to tell how fast a teleporter and a foot speed user is.

For example in a 10m race between a teleporter and a character with insane footspeed, you would barely be able to tell who gets to the destination first. However the greater the distance, the clearer the gap in speed between a teleporter and a user with extreme foot speed becomes.

If Minato and 8 Gate Gai was to race in a 10M race you would barely be able to tell who gets there first. However lets say minato had a kunai in kumo and he and 8 gate gai was to race, the difference in speed will be far too great for all to see.

The very fact that in a short distance where a teleporter and a user of extreme foot speed it would be hard to tell who gets to the desired destination first, yet Naruto getting a head start, yet sasuke still appearing before him shows that sasuke’s ability is nothing short of instant. Even at such a distance and Naruto getting a head start, sasuke’s speed was still evident is more than enough to say his technique is instant.

As for your preparation, it doesn’t register. Nothing states that sasuke’s was preparing to use the technique, and if anything hiraishin users require more preparation with either administering the seals to weapons then/or spreading the weapons. Finally on numerous occasions seeing Minato forming the seals of confrontation in order to gather the necessary chakra to teleport.

Range:

The only person with a limitless range is Obito. Neither hiraishin users or sasuke have limitless range. Hiraishin users are restricted to seals and cannot teleport at will without it. With little knowledge on sasuke’s technique I believe he may be the epicentre and there may be a radius to where he teleports. But you see if sasuke is the epicentre that means wherever sasuke is, within that radius he can teleport, which in some respect is still better than hiraishin.


We still have limited knowledge on sasuke’s technique yet you feel the need to downplay his abilities as always. What we do know is that sasuke’s technique has the best of both worlds (Hiraishin & Kamui). His technique it instant, but also doesn’t require seals. The downsides so far is that, unlike kamui is has a range and with hiraishin he doesn’t have the versatility. Sasuke is still getting used to his new abilities and once he masters it he may increase this range, but even then I still do not see him teleporting all over the place as that isn’t his fighting style.

Finally his technique is a rinnegans technique. In the latest chapter Kaguya noted that the sage has given them (Naurot & Sasuke) his techniques. Such hype is enough to say that, his teleporting ability should be greater than what we have seen. Perhaps not enough feats and information given, but it should sink in, in due time.

First of all I'm surprised that you posted again here, at first thought was some 2014 rip-off of you but it's good to see you back Lol

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The reason why Obito's Kamui was put above Hiraishin:

There are few things, first being "insufficient" knowledge. Neither Kakashi nor Minato knew anything about Obito's Kamui but the mere fact of him going intangible and being able to transport without seals. And second being the fact that it was "the" technique that the main Antagonist wielded! As you said at the end that Hagaromo gave Sasuke the tech so the hype should be enough, by that logic same should apply to Obito's Kamui.

We know that Obito had "Full" info on Minato's Hiraishin no Jutsu [or so he thought] despite that fact Minato was still able to beat Obito with the Level 2 variant which Obito didn't know. Obito also didn't know that the Hiraishin marking never disappears! Had he known that fact he might not have faced Minato [given the high risk of getting tagged]

With the later revel of Hiraishin's abilities, it's usage and also the secretes of Obito's Kamui it doesn't have any upper hand against Hiraishin tbh. In fact Hiraishin is better, way better given what we saw of it.

1. Escape Abilities.
2. Being able to teleport entire SA [after the formation of the Link]
3. Transporting Juubi-Dama in an instant.
4. Goshun Mawashi that even the Juubito couldn't do anything against!

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Speed:

It's simple to say both techniques have same speed but manga disagrees, proving one self-transportation can be bit faster than other self-transportation technique.

Here we see Hiraishin's transport speed beating Kamui's transport speed,

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Obito even commented on the speed!

Now the example of Hirashin's Trasnport Speed and Sasuke's Transportation speed

If you observe the bottom right panel,

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Everything seems to be stopped as in time isn't moving but Tobirama who used Hiraishin is gone

Now look at Sasuke,

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If his speed is the same as Hiraishin then the moment he transported[where we see Naruto's running] he should've reached his target, meaning when Sasuke hit the target Naruto [despite super increase in speed or short distance] should've remained where he was i.e. he shouldn't hvae reached the target. But that wasn't the case.

Which means that Sasuke's Transportation isn't as fast as Hiraishin's Transportation speed [just as Kamui was bit slower that Hiraishin]

As far as preparation goes, I was talking about the techniques speed and range meaning in this context the seals are already spread/present, once the seals are in position then nothing's faster than Hiraishin, Sasuke's ability may have little to none prep but still the manga puts Hiraishin's Transport speed above everything.

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Range:

Obito's range seems unlimited because that part of his ability was never reveled. If we go by what we saw in the war Kamui world is parallel to the real world and the time flows in the same way, but there never was any explanation as to how Obito can travel anywhere in an instant.

About Hirashin if we follow the principles i.e. teleport to where his seals are or chakra is connected to then it has no range barriers, just as we saw Minato transported to Konoha which was countries away from the war zone.

If Sasuke is the epicenter [a possibility I considered from the very beginning] then that means he can travel at light's speed to anywhere with "continuous" transport but that isn't the case at all, because had that been the case then when Madara escaped the range all he had to do was transport twice or thrice but he didn't do that, he relied on the foot-speed. Same when he asked Tobirama to use Hiraishin to go to where Naruto is not ant rely on his ability. That gives us three possibilities

1. He can't use continuous transportation.
2. The techniques is chakra tanking thus limiting his usage and thus despite being able to use it continuously Sasuke doesn't [making it handicapped one way or the other]
3. He isn't the epicenter and it has a different setting.

but the fact remains that range wise Kamui > Hiraishin > Sasuke's Transportation.

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Miscellaneous:

1. I know you said you skim read and wasn't that interested, but you completely ignored the "Escapism" Hiraishin offers that Sasuke canonically doesn't have! The reason why Minato was able to save Naruto and Sasuke, the reason why Sasuke failed to escape Kaguya's hair and lost a lot of chakra.

2. You talk like seals are a limitation but in reality the value never disappearing seals is much greater than non-seal transport. With Seals Minato can transport different people to different locations[the reason why Juubi got confined], he can use baits[the reason why Ei was beaten and KB got marked] Also never disappearing means complete and utter ownage as it was in the case of Obito [despite his skill, training, experience, Rinnegan, Mokuton, knowledge he was Minato's property from the moment he was tagged]

3. There are other uses like:

Level2, Level3, Barrier, Goshun Mawashi, Escapism, transportation of multiple people, transportation of different people to different places, Having other people use the seals, Permanent markings and the Chakra Link.

Sasuke's transportation offers nothing of the above.

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Now you tell me if Hiraishin is leading on so many different fronts why is Sasuke's ability greater? was it because of Hagormo's or Rinnegan's hype? beacsue Rinnegan has been beaten by Sennin Mode, Mokuton, Pure Taijutsu, Kamui and even Hiraishin.

And lastly you say "I feel the need to downplay it as always" well this isn't true[if you have noticed from above], I never downplay his abilities I put them on the right level or try to do that, but the large number of his fanbase can't take it and label me as a hater sigh.

 

[Conspirator.]

First of all I'm surprised that you posted again here, at first thought was some 2014 rip-off of you but it's good to see you back Lol

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The reason why Obito's Kamui was put above Hiraishin:

There are few things, first being "insufficient" knowledge. Neither Kakashi nor Minato knew anything about Obito's Kamui but the mere fact of him going intangible and being able to transport without seals. And second being the fact that it was "the" technique that the main Antagonist wielded! As you said at the end that Hagaromo gave Sasuke the tech so the hype should be enough, by that logic same should apply to Obito's Kamui.

We know that Obito had "Full" info on Minato's Hiraishin no Jutsu [or so he thought] despite that fact Minato was still able to beat Obito with the Level 2 variant which Obito didn't know. Obito also didn't know that the Hiraishin marking never disappears! Had he known that fact he might not have faced Minato [given the high risk of getting tagged]

With the later revel of Hiraishin's abilities, it's usage and also the secretes of Obito's Kamui it doesn't have any upper hand against Hiraishin tbh. In fact Hiraishin is better, way better given what we saw of it.

1. Escape Abilities.
2. Being able to teleport entire SA [after the formation of the Link]
3. Transporting Juubi-Dama in an instant.
4. Goshun Mawashi that even the Juubito couldn't do anything against!

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Speed:

It's simple to say both techniques have same speed but manga disagrees, proving one self-transportation can be bit faster than other self-transportation technique.

Here we see Hiraishin's transport speed beating Kamui's transport speed,

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Obito even commented on the speed!

Now the example of Hirashin's Trasnport Speed and Sasuke's Transportation speed

If you observe the bottom right panel,

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Everything seems to be stopped as in time isn't moving but Tobirama who used Hiraishin is gone

Now look at Sasuke,

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If his speed is the same as Hiraishin then the moment he transported[where we see Naruto's running] he should've reached his target, meaning when Sasuke hit the target Naruto [despite super increase in speed or short distance] should've remained where he was i.e. he should've reached the target. But that wasn't the case.

Which means that Sasuke's Transportation isn't as fast as Hiraishin's Transportation speed [just as Kamui was bit slower that Hiraishin]

As far as preparation goes, I was talking about the techniques speed and range meaning in this context the seals are already spread/present, once the seals are in position then nothing's faster than Hiraishin, Sasuke's ability may have little to none prep but still the manga puts Hiraishin's Transport speed above everything.

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Range:

Obito's range seems unlimited because that part of his ability was never reveled. If we go by what we saw in the war Kamui world is parallel to the real world and the time flows in the same way, but there never was any explanation as to how Obito can travel anywhere in an instant.

About Hirashin if we follow the principles i.e. teleport to where his seals are or chakra is connected to then it has no range barriers, just as we saw Minato transported to Konoha which was countries away from the war zone.

If Sasuke is the epicenter [a possibility I considered from the very beginning] then that means he can travel at light's speed to anywhere with "continuous" transport but that isn't the case at all, because had that been the case then when Madara escaped the range all he had to do was transport twice or thrice but he didn't do that, he relied on the foot-speed. Same when he asked Tobirama to use Hiraishin to go to where Naruto is not ant rely on his ability. That gives a three possibilities

1. He can't use continuous transportation.
2. The techniques is chakra tanking thus limiting his usage and thus despite being able to use it continuously Sasuke doesn't [making it handicapped one way or the other]
3. He isn't eh epicenter and it has a different setting.

but the fact remains that range wise Kamui > Hiraishin > Sasuke's Transportation.

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Miscellaneous:

1. I know you said you skim read and wasn't that interested, but you completely ignored the "Escapism" Hiraishin offers that Sasuke canonically doesn't have! The reason why Minato was able to save Naruto and Sasuke, the reason why Sasuke failed to escape Kaguya's hair and lost a lot of chakra.

2. You talk like seals are a limitation but in reality the value never disappearing seals is much greater than non-seal transport. With Seals Minato can transport different people to different locations[the reason why Juubi got confined], he can use baits[the reason why Ei was beaten and KB got marked] Also never disappearing means complete and utter ownage as it was in the case of Obito [despite his skill, training, experience, Rinnegan, Mokuton, knowledge he was Minato's property from the moment he was tagged]

3. There are other uses like:

Level2, Level3, Barrier, Goshun Mawashi, Escapism, transportation of multiple people, transportation of different people to different places, Having other people use the seals, Permanent markings and the Chakra Link.

Sasuke's transportation offers nothing of the above.

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Now you tell me if Hiraishin is leading on so many different fronts why is Sasuke's ability greater? was it because of Hagormo's or Rinnegan's hype? beacsue Rinnegan has been beaten by Sennin Mode, Mokuton, Pure Taijutsu, Kamui and even Hiraishin.

And lastly you say "I feel the need to downplay it as always" well this isn't true[if you have noticed from above], I never downplay his abilities I put them on the right level or try to do that, but the large number of his fanbase can't take it and label me as a hater sigh.

Pretty solid arguments there.

 

[Minator93]

Sad, but true.
Thread soloed by Kratos93.

Madara easily reacted to Tobirama without even being a Jin.
Madara with the power of the Juubi and the vision of the Rinnegan wasn't able to react to Sasuke, yet he pwned SM Minato without moving at all.

To the OP: Please, stop being such a fanboy and trying to "calculate" something like this. Even if you did it right (which you didn't because there's no way of measuring a battlefield which was drawn in a piece of paper), real life logic doesn't work in the Manga.

Thread was never soloed, not even close. As far as why Hiraishin failed against Madara well,

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Obvious Limitations to Limbo for the Hokages U_U where as with Sasuke Naruto dealt with Limbo and Onmyoudon U_U

Logic when utilized properly works everywhere U_U

lol poor thread. has been completely shat on

Who the hell are you?

Tobirama solo

Always U_U

11 pages, damn! minator rustled some serious jimmies XD

So much butthurt in a thread that isn't even downplaying a character, it's just showing the differences between 2 jutsu.

It confirms that Sasuke has the most insecure fanbase U_U

Pretty solid arguments there.

Thanks

 

[Gold Lightning]

Quit dickriding the guy. everyone knows minator likes making threads to downplay sasuke including this one. No ones being fooled here.

Because I agree with someone else and not you it means I'm riding the guy, lol ok. Quit riding Dante then and all your other Sasuke fapper fans. Not my fault minator spoke the truth and it's killing you inside.

 

[Turson]

Battle-wise nothing is better than Sasukes s/t jutsu. It may have limited range, but its battle capacity makes up for it completely. In mid-range its like having an enemy marked with FTG seal, but it gives you even more options.

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-> Teleporting weapon right into your enemys body.

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-> Teleporting enemy to desirable place.

My advice is: you want to travel - pick Kamui, you want to fight - pick Sasukes jutsu.