Without Hashirama

[Six Paths of Logic]

it's like Hashirama built his Clan a wooden playground to play in while he fought the Uchiha by himself

maybe some helped, but that's because they didn't see the wooden playground

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Most of the posters think that Hashirama kept the Senju clan alive even before he was born...
Uchiha = Senju
Knuckleheads

 

[NukaCola]

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Most of the posters think that Hashirama kept the Senju clan alive even before he was born...
Uchiha = Senju
Knuckleheads

You are saying that they are equals on this scenario, right?

 

[Legendary Saiyan]

True but he couldn't handle Madara and Izuna

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[AllHailKurama]

Tobirama killed Izuna and fought on par with Madara, the Senju would have been good

 

[madvictory]

No. Izuna and Madara would have survived, and without Hashirama, they would kill Tobirama.

 

[Styles]

Tobirama killed Izuna and fought on par with Madara, the Senju would have been good

Tobirama fought on par with Madara ? since when ?

 

[Dantee]

Where did it ever state Izuna and Madara were equals. Fanfic

 

[AllHailKurama]

Tobirama fought on par with Madara ? since when ?

MS Madara, I'm not sure about EMS madara

 

[Styles]

Where did it ever state Izuna and Madara were equals. Fanfic

They are going by what Itachi lied and told Sasuke

 

[Styles]

MS Madara, I'm not sure about EMS madara

MS Madara and Tobirama never fought 1v1 0.o or am i missing something ?

 

[Gagster]

Without Hashi there is no Madara, Madara and Hashi got so strong by fighting each other over and over again.

 

[AllHailKurama]

MS Madara and Tobirama never fought 1v1 0.o or am i missing something ?

It was stated once i think, I'll try to find it, but it's like finding a needle in a haystack.

 

[sharingansennin]

He killed Izuna who was just as strong as Madara.The Senju would do well under his leadership.

Madara<Izuna

Hashirama<Tobirama

Madara<Tobirama

Izuna was on Madara's level but one Madara was always older than Izuna and he unlocked the sharingan first.

 

[Styles]

It was stated once i think, I'll try to find it, but it's like finding a needle in a haystack.

Hm I'm sure it is takes me a while to find pages also.