Jiraiya vs Kisame

[Ootsuki Hagoromo]

Summon fukasaku and shima put kisame in genjutsu while he dispels it go into sage mode

 

[ARGUS]

jiraiya wins this mid diff

 

[Koro]

Kisame roflstomps.

 

[Beans2]

Kisame roflstomps.

lml at this

jiriaya mid to high diff

 

[ToshiZO]

Even Base Jiraiya might have a shot.

 

[AizenSosuke]

Jiraiya mid diff. If Kisame tries to absorb Jiraiya's chakra while hes in SM then he'll become a stone. Also, boss summons would give him enough time to go to SM.

 

[Apêx1]

Jiraiya mid diff. If Kisame tries to absorb Jiraiya's chakra while hes in SM then he'll become a stone. Also, boss summons would give him enough time to go to SM.

Kisame high difficulty.
Implying Jiraiya can get into SM. Boss summons get annihilated via 1000 shark feeding frenzy.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Sage mode not needed for Jiraya. If anything he can just summon Fukasaku and Shima and put Kisame in a genjutsu, then chop of Kisame's head.

 

[Apêx1]

Sage mode not needed for Jiraya. If anything he can just summon Fukasaku and Shima and put Kisame in a genjutsu, then chop of Kisame's head.

Genjutsu took a very long time to execute. Sound waves aren't moving beneath water. Summoning Shima and Fukasaku requires the ritual in addition to an entire chapter of hands clapped, which isn't possible when there's suiton drowning you.

 

[super yang]

Jiraiya wins mid-high diff, in base.

he isn't going to let Kisame control by spitting out the lake, giant earth swamp will quickly give kisame a reality check - hes in for a long day, lawl.

once J-man has established terrain control, he & bunta will show that theirgiant water bullets & giant oil bomb can more than match kisames suiton.
Jiraiya would finish him off either in CQC w/ his hair, combo with bunta & a clone, or summon toad stomach ftw

 

[Apêx1]

Jiraiya wins mid-high diff, in base.

he isn't going to let Kisame control by spitting out the lake, giant earth swamp will quickly give kisame a reality check - hes in for a long day, lawl.

once J-man has established terrain control, he & bunta will show that theirgiant water bullets & giant oil bomb can more than match kisames suiton.
Jiraiya would finish him off either in CQC w/ his hair, combo with bunta & a clone, or summon toad stomach ftw

Orlly?
Giant earth swamp is laughed at, since it's in favour of Kisame. Considering he can use subterranean voyage to make earth around him into fluid and swim in it. This is no different, Kisame swims in it after it is liquefied. Thank you Jiraiya, for wasting a tonne of chakra at the beginning of the fight to give Kisame an advantage. Such reality check, much wows.

Very terrain control. So now he already has Bunta summoned even though he just used his swamp? Kisame couldn't do anything while Jiraiya was doing this? Nigguh please. Daikodan uses all this chakra infused swamp to become massively massive and ends the fight 'just like that'. Oil+Fire isn't necessailly an intelligent choice on Kisame. The oil will stay atop of the Suiton, hence he himself will never be effected and thus have successfully defended. Daikodan eats through the oil and fire.

His hair isn't ending shit considering a mini suiton would blow them away or Kisame simply tanks them. Toad stomach isn't usable in this situation, it is completely environment dependant. Anyways, either GSB or Dome end this fight, until you get counters for these, there's no reason for me to continue arguing with you.

 

[Latios]

Jiraiya Mid-Dif.

 

[super yang]

Orlly?
Giant earth swamp is laughed at, since it's in favour of Kisame. Considering he can use subterranean voyage to make earth around him into fluid and swim in it. This is no different, Kisame swims in it after it is liquefied. Thank you Jiraiya, for wasting a tonne of chakra at the beginning of the fight to give Kisame an advantage. Such reality check, much wows.///- earth swamp prevents kisame making a lake bed, which pre-emptively prevents water dome. Kisame has no counter to this & its dependent on the fact that jiraiya is threatened when kisame fights him on water.

kisame can swim in all he wants(he cant tho')).../

Very terrain control. So now he already has Bunta summoned even though he just used his swamp? Kisame couldn't do anything while Jiraiya was doing this? Nigguh please. Daikodan uses all this chakra infused swamp to become massively massive and ends the fight 'just like that'. Oil+Fire isn't necessailly an intelligent choice on Kisame. The oil will stay atop of the Suiton, hence he himself will never be effected and thus have successfully defended. Daikodan eats through the oil and fire.////- No, bunta is summoned after kisame shows he is a water user, so is bunta. and again, the swamp is a response to kmisame spitting water on the ground/

Daikodan uses what chakra? the swamp that instantly disappears? no sir...or rather, yes let him shoot his best jutsu straight into a doton pit, lawl, Doto > suiton; don't shoot the messenger now

His hair isn't ending shit considering a mini suiton would blow them away or Kisame simply tanks them. Toad stomach isn't usable in this situation, it is completely environment dependant. Anyways, either GSB or Dome end this fight, until you get counters for these, there's no reason for me to continue arguing with you.

yeah there is no reason left...those jutsu are countered cleanly by the swamp

good day

 

[Apêx1]

yeah there is no reason left...those jutsu are countered cleanly by the swamp

good day

You proved to me you know nothing of Kisame's abilities and are blindly debating for the character you like (jiraiya) against the character you know nothing of (Kisame).
Btw, the Daikodan is shot on the surface of the swamp lawl. It doesn't absorb it all, but a good amount to increase in size.

 

[LustyLover]

They're both incredibly even. I personally think of Kisame as Jiraiya's counterpart. If this takes place in a space of minimal room, Jiraiya wins, but if it doesn't, I can see Kisame potentially taking this.

 

[Beans2]

Orlly?
Giant earth swamp is laughed at, since it's in favour of Kisame. Considering he can use subterranean voyage to make earth around him into fluid and swim in it. This is no different, Kisame swims in it after it is liquefied. Thank you Jiraiya, for wasting a tonne of chakra at the beginning of the fight to give Kisame an advantage. Such reality check, much wows.

Very terrain control. So now he already has Bunta summoned even though he just used his swamp? Kisame couldn't do anything while Jiraiya was doing this? Nigguh please. Daikodan uses all this chakra infused swamp to become massively massive and ends the fight 'just like that'. Oil+Fire isn't necessailly an intelligent choice on Kisame. The oil will stay atop of the Suiton, hence he himself will never be effected and thus have successfully defended. Daikodan eats through the oil and fire.

His hair isn't ending shit considering a mini suiton would blow them away or Kisame simply tanks them. Toad stomach isn't usable in this situation, it is completely environment dependant. Anyways, either GSB or Dome end this fight, until you get counters for these, there's no reason for me to continue arguing with you.

Hair techniques won't do shit? It

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a giant armoured crustacean, if the battle starts at short to mid range Jiraiya can pierce him with Raging Lion's Mane or Kebari Senbon. Furthermore, his hair can't be absorbed. We also know that Kisame trying to directly absorb chakra off of Jiraiya's body would result in Samehada turning into a frog - a very horrible thing for Kisame if he's merged with Samehada.

We also know that Jiraiya's frogs can breathe underwater, or at least hold their breath for a very long time. Look at the following scans:

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The frog remained underwater the entire time Jiraiya was interrogating those two Rain ninja, and throughout Jiraiya's conversation with Geratora. Up until this point, several chapters later:

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Sooo...I'm thinking that Jiraiya hides in a frog's mouth (or his barrier), and goes into Sage Mode there...for extra security, Jiraiya could reverse summon back to Mount Myoboku (leaving some shadow clones behind), then summon himself back. Or he could hide the frog he's inside of within the mouth of an even bigger frog. What I'm saying is that Jiraiya can definitely enter Sage Mode, because I think it would be necessary against a tough opponent like Kisame.

If you want me to explain how SM Jiraiya beats Kisame I can elaborate.

 

[Apêx1]

Hair techniques won't do shit? It

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a giant armoured crustacean, if the battle starts at short to mid range Jiraiya can pierce him with Raging Lion's Mane or Kebari Senbon. Furthermore, his hair can't be absorbed. We also know that Kisame trying to directly absorb chakra off of Jiraiya's body would result in Samehada turning into a frog - a very horrible thing for Kisame if he's merged with Samehada.

It requires chakra to be controlled. Are you saying the hair is effective after Kisame absorbs the chakra controlling it? Nope. Kebari Senbon is tanked or swiped at via Samehada. That's implying he's already in SM, but he isn't lel. That's implying he will get to SM, lel. That's implying small amounts of senjutsu is capable of turning him into a frog when a massive rasengan infused with senjutsu couldn't lel.

We also know that Jiraiya's frogs can breathe underwater, or at least hold their breath for a very long time. Look at the following scans:

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The frog remained underwater the entire time Jiraiya was interrogating those two Rain ninja, and throughout Jiraiya's conversation with Geratora. Up until this point, several chapters later:

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Sooo...I'm thinking that Jiraiya hides in a frog's mouth (or his barrier), and goes into Sage Mode there...for extra security, Jiraiya could reverse summon back to Mount Myoboku (leaving some shadow clones behind), then summon himself back. Or he could hide the frog he's inside of within the mouth of an even bigger frog. What I'm saying is that Jiraiya can definitely enter Sage Mode, because I think it would be necessary against a tough opponent like Kisame.

If you want me to explain how SM Jiraiya beats Kisame I can elaborate.

One toad has shown that capability, and it suits him because he's an espionage type. So you're saying Jiraiya summons a toad and Kisame doesn't notice?.. You're saying Kisame can't do

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and absolutely crush the toad? You're saying Jiraiya has a counter for

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?
That's not allowed in a versus thread lml. Leaving the entire location is prohibited in any scenario because it's temporary flee. Anyways, can he even do that? Not that he's allowed, just out of curiosity. He cannot, any attempts of Sage mode are laughed at with the usage of this

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SM Jiraiya can potentially beat Kisame, but I don't see how he counters sharks or drowning in Dome.

 

[Beans2]

It requires chakra to be controlled. Are you saying the hair is effective after Kisame absorbs the chakra controlling it? Nope. Kebari Senbon is tanked or swiped at via Samehada. That's implying he's already in SM, but he isn't lel. That's implying he will get to SM, lel. That's implying small amounts of senjutsu is capable of turning him into a frog when a massive rasengan infused with senjutsu couldn't lel.

His hair techniques are not 100% chakra based. It's still just hair. I agree that Daikodan would make the hair ineffective, but touching his hair with Samehada won't make it just disappear. Raging Lion's Mane and Needle Jizo deals with shark summons. Actually, Food Cart Destroyer or Toad Mouth Bind can deal with Kisame from the very beginning. I forgot though that Kebari Senbon requires SM, sorry bout that.

lol at Samehada handling senjutsu. Jiraiya just has to start gathering nature energy and the moment Samehada touches him it turns into a frog. Jiraiya never infused any of his techniques with senjutsu, idk where you got that from.

One toad has shown that capability, and it suits him because he's an espionage type. So you're saying Jiraiya summons a toad and Kisame doesn't notice?.. You're saying Kisame can't do

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and absolutely crush the toad? You're saying Jiraiya has a counter for

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?
That's not allowed in a versus thread lml. Leaving the entire location is prohibited in any scenario because it's temporary flee. Anyways, can he even do that? Not that he's allowed, just out of curiosity. He cannot, any attempts of Sage mode are laughed at with the usage of this

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SM Jiraiya can potentially beat Kisame, but I don't see how he counters sharks or drowning in Dome.

I never claimed Kisame wouldn't notice? How is a mass of water even supposed to crush a boss frog? The sharks aren't going to be able to keep up with Gamabunta or another boss frog, he just jumps away. And a water dome isn't restraining a frog like that, even if Kisame somehow manages to spit it out in time.

It's ridiculous to say that's not allowed in a VS thread. So when Minato FTG'd back to his house that counted as a surrender? When Obito or Kakashi goes into the kamui dimension that's a surrender? I see no reason why it shouldn't be 'allowed' (considering Jiraiya can do that in an actual fight.) He can do it by hiding in a frog's mouth and reverse summoning the frog go back to Mount Myoboku (just like Kabuto did with Manda II.) Jiraiya leaves a shadow clone back at the battlefield, and then summons back the toad when the original Jiraiya has entered Sage Mode.

This is how I see the battle going (assuming intel, starting distance etc. is in Kisame's favor and Jiraiya is in character):

-Jiraiya summons Gamabunta and jumps inside his mouth while Kisame is spitting out his water dome
-Gamabunta effortlessly leaps away (water isn't going to restrain Bunta baby) while Kisame merges with Samehada
-Gamabunta continues to leap away as Kisame summons his sharks and chases after Bunta. Sharks are fast, but Bunta can cover huge distances with his leaps. He continues running until Jiraiya has entered Sage Mode. Then the real battle begins.

 

[Apêx1]

His hair techniques are not 100% chakra based. It's still just hair. I agree that Daikodan would make the hair ineffective, but touching his hair with Samehada won't make it just disappear. Raging Lion's Mane and Needle Jizo deals with shark summons. Actually, Food Cart Destroyer or Toad Mouth Bind can deal with Kisame from the very beginning. I forgot though that Kebari Senbon requires SM, sorry bout that.

lol at Samehada handling senjutsu. Jiraiya just has to start gathering nature energy and the moment Samehada touches him it turns into a frog. Jiraiya never infused any of his techniques with senjutsu, idk where you got that from.

It is still controlled by the chakra. His hair doesn't move by itself. Once Samehada is swiped the hair isn't doing anything other than lie down. Wait, what shark summons. Are you saying the 1000 sharks are dealt with via Needle Jizo and Lion's Mane? If so then I am no longer arguing with you. Food cart destroyer isn't usable from a distance, nor is it effective since Kisame can just go underground via subterranean voyage. Toad mouth bind requires a closed area like the hallway Itachi and Kisame were present in. It cannot be used in any location.

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isn't infused with senjutsu? Lml not a chance in hell. Preta absorbed it and was unaffected. Pret absorbed Naruto's FRS which used senjutsu and wasn't effected. Only when it absorbed pure nature energy from Naruto himself was it effected. It's not gonna be aimed at Jiraiya, it's being aimed at any jutsu he's using. Anyways, he isn't getting into SM.

I never claimed Kisame wouldn't notice? How is a mass of water even supposed to crush a boss frog? The sharks aren't going to be able to keep up with Gamabunta or another boss frog, he just jumps away. And a water dome isn't restraining a frog like that, even if Kisame somehow manages to spit it out in time.

Are you seeing the scans I am putting? Jesus christ the thing was thousands of times larger than both of them. Gambunta is eaten raw by the suiton sharks. I am not saying that. FInd a counter to the 1000 sharks or stop replying. It's in my previous post's spoiler, I am not re-inserting it.

It's ridiculous to say that's not allowed in a VS thread. So when Minato FTG'd back to his house that counted as a surrender? When Obito or Kakashi goes into the kamui dimension that's a surrender? I see no reason why it shouldn't be 'allowed' (considering Jiraiya can do that in an actual fight.) He can do it by hiding in a frog's mouth and reverse summoning the frog go back to Mount Myoboku (just like Kabuto did with Manda II.) Jiraiya leaves a shadow clone back at the battlefield, and then summons back the toad when the original Jiraiya has entered Sage Mode.

What? He isn't allowed to use pre set FTG Kunai's in a fight. More so, he fled, that's like saying he goes gets food, come back fully nourished and fights without the fight having ended. That's not how it works, you can't flee locations in versus threads. Those are momentary flees. You are saying Jiraiya goes to another place to achieve something and comes back a few minutes later. That's not a fight at all lmao. No, he actually can't. By your logic Kisame can simply leave since that is indeed likely in a real fight. You think Kisame would just sit there and wait for him to ever come back? Again, I am asking for proof Jiraiya can go at any time to Mt. Myokubo. Prove it with a scan of any toad summoner going back with sheer jutsu or will, not with your moot speculation.

This is how I see the battle going (assuming intel, starting distance etc. is in Kisame's favor and Jiraiya is in character):

-Jiraiya summons Gamabunta and jumps inside his mouth while Kisame is spitting out his water dome
-Gamabunta effortlessly leaps away (water isn't going to restrain Bunta baby) while Kisame merges with Samehada
-Gamabunta continues to leap away as Kisame summons his sharks and chases after Bunta. Sharks are fast, but Bunta can cover huge distances with his leaps. He continues running until Jiraiya has entered Sage Mode. Then the real battle begins.

Once again... He doesn't start with water dome. He starts with 1000 shakrs and the fight is already over. Oh really? Why was v2 Bee caught and was being drowned in water when he's much faster than Bunta? I failed to see the logic in that. So Bunta has amazing speed now? Nice, go on m8. Now it seems Bunta is faster than Kisame and any suiton he is firing. I am loving this counter. Daikodan is also dodged by Bunta right? Anyways, dont' bother replying if you don't get a counter to 1000 sharks.

 

[Beans2]

It is still controlled by the chakra. His hair doesn't move by itself. Once Samehada is swiped the hair isn't doing anything other than lie down. Wait, what shark summons. Are you saying the 1000 sharks are dealt with via Needle Jizo and Lion's Mane? If so then I am no longer arguing with you. Food cart destroyer isn't usable from a distance, nor is it effective since Kisame can just go underground via subterranean voyage. Toad mouth bind requires a closed area like the hallway Itachi and Kisame were present in. It cannot be used in any location.

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isn't infused with senjutsu? Lml not a chance in hell. Preta absorbed it and was unaffected. Pret absorbed Naruto's FRS which used senjutsu and wasn't effected. Only when it absorbed pure nature energy from Naruto himself was it effected. It's not gonna be aimed at Jiraiya, it's being aimed at any jutsu he's using. Anyways, he isn't getting into SM.


Are you seeing the scans I am putting? Jesus christ the thing was thousands of times larger than both of them. Gambunta is eaten raw by the suiton sharks. I am not saying that. FInd a counter to the 1000 sharks or stop replying. It's in my previous post's spoiler, I am not re-inserting it.



What? He isn't allowed to use pre set FTG Kunai's in a fight. More so, he fled, that's like saying he goes gets food, come back fully nourished and fights without the fight having ended. That's not how it works, you can't flee locations in versus threads. Those are momentary flees. You are saying Jiraiya goes to another place to achieve something and comes back a few minutes later. That's not a fight at all lmao. No, he actually can't. By your logic Kisame can simply leave since that is indeed likely in a real fight. You think Kisame would just sit there and wait for him to ever come back? Again, I am asking for proof Jiraiya can go at any time to Mt. Myokubo. Prove it with a scan of any toad summoner going back with sheer jutsu or will, not with your moot speculation.


Once again... He doesn't start with water dome. He starts with 1000 shakrs and the fight is already over. Oh really? Why was v2 Bee caught and was being drowned in water when he's much faster than Bunta? I failed to see the logic in that. So Bunta has amazing speed now? Nice, go on m8. Now it seems Bunta is faster than Kisame and any suiton he is firing. I am loving this counter. Daikodan is also dodged by Bunta right? Anyways, dont' bother replying if you don't get a counter to 1000 sharks.

1000 sharks is countered by Gamabunta hopping away.