3rd Raikage Vs Orochimaru.

[Apêx1]

Oro can't do anything to end the Third Raikage.

 

[Nattana]

Oro can't do anything to end the Third Raikage.

Yes he can. I've already posted in this thread at least 5 ways of Oro ending 3rd, but everyone decided not to even take them into consideration because it's easier to hate and and underrate Orochimaru.

 

[Gold Lightning]

He isn't. He's fast, but he isnt't as fast as people make him out to be.

He was effortlessly blitzed by KCM Naruto, and only dodged the Rasenshuriken mainly because of reflexes.

Effortlessly?

Please be serious, call it reflexes or whatever you want, it was speed that allowed him to evade Naruto. And Naruto only hit him with the Raikages back turned. Not to mention it was Kabuto controlling him most of the time. An Edo can't exactly bring out their full strength and abilities when being controlled since the user doesn't know them better than the Edo itself. The fact that he didn't use black lightning once proves that, Naruto already pretty much implied that the third Raikage was v1 Ay speed. And KCM Naruto is faster than v2'Ay, so saying third Raikage got blitzed doesn't even make sense, KCM naruto was the only person in the war who could've matched his speed (apart from Ay of course).

 

[Apêx1]

Yes he can. I've already posted in this thread at least 5 ways of Oro ending 3rd, but everyone decided not to even take them into consideration because it's easier to hate and and underrate Orochimaru.

I saw all your posts, unfortunately I don't see any of them working. Kusanagi's penetrative capabilities are based on hype and a breach claim made by Enma which doesn't prove much since it still doesn't imply diamond is penetrable via Kusanagi. More so, manga claims are not that create, given part 1 needles could penetrate steel by 5mm. Are you saying by the logic of Raikage=Steel he is penetrated by those needles? I surely hope not, those were mere analogies which are often made by Kishi to give a more interesting view of a shinobi's powers.

Facial removal jutsu is a ridiculous jutsu when used in debate. Proof it doesn't require prep? Proof it can be used instantly? Proof it is usable while Oro isn't stationary? Too many factors involved to just assume an off-panel jutsu can do things the way you want them to be done.

Chakra removal isn't working on immensely durable shinobi's. More so, he isn't samehada, he wouldn't be able to consecutively do it while the fight is going on. Spores are laughed at, assuming they are even usable on someone who's shown to always be moving.

Barrier jutsu? The same one that required four people to use it in addition to staying stationary? How does a single person use this while stationary, let alone on the move? May be wrong in this one if it's something else though, please do elaborate though.

 

[DMT]

3rd raikage low diff .

 

[Nattana]

I saw all your posts, unfortunately I don't see any of them working. Kusanagi's penetrative capabilities are based on hype and a breach claim made by Enma which doesn't prove much since it still doesn't imply diamond is penetrable via Kusanagi. More so, manga claims are not that create, given part 1 needles could penetrate steel by 5mm. Are you saying by the logic of Raikage=Steel he is penetrated by those needles? I surely hope not, those were mere analogies which are often made by Kishi to give a more interesting view of a shinobi's powers.

Enma, who had known Kusanagi before, was worried about it being a threat. Databook confirmed Kusanagi's ability to hurt diamond-like Enma.

Facial removal jutsu is a ridiculous jutsu when used in debate. Proof it doesn't require prep? Proof it can be used instantly? Proof it is usable while Oro isn't stationary? Too many factors involved to just assume an off-panel jutsu can do things the way you want them to be done.

Orochimaru uses the same jutsu on himself and it takes less than a second. Databook doesn't state anything about prep. I agree that it's not like it could be used while normally fighting, but Orochimaru has numerous ways of binding/putting 3rd down to make it possible to use VFC.

Chakra removal isn't working on immensely durable shinobi's. More so, he isn't samehada, he wouldn't be able to consecutively do it while the fight is going on. Spores are laughed at, assuming they are even usable on someone who's shown to always be moving.

Spores are not laughed at. A single physical contact places the spores. Even if they couldn't drain him off chakra (I agree about 3rd's reserves), they would act as a great binding force.

Barrier jutsu? The same one that required four people to use it in addition to staying stationary? How does a single person use this while stationary, let alone on the move? May be wrong in this one if it's something else though, please do elaborate though.

It required 4 ppl to create 4 barriers to completely seal off Hiruzen from his bodyguards. Orochimaru can simply create a 2D barrier (which only takes a clap of his hands) to effortlessly negate any 3rd's assault, given that his attack pattern is pathetic and relies on a pure dash at his opponents. Also, he could use his barrier directly on him, after he'd been restrained by Oro.

Also, you omitted F5S which obviously would work too.

 

[Apêx1]

Enma, who had known Kusanagi before, was worried about it being a threat. Databook confirmed Kusanagi's ability to hurt diamond-like Enma.

I know that it was stated he could hurt him, but only because I can punch someone and hurt him doesn't mean I have any chance of breaking his bones or ripping right through him.

Orochimaru uses the same jutsu on himself and it takes less than a second. Databook doesn't state anything about prep. I agree that it's not like it could be used while normally fighting, but Orochimaru has numerous ways of binding/putting 3rd down to make it possible to use VFC.

Databook isn't the thing to judge all your beliefs on, otherwise Kakuzu would be top 15 since DB makes him godly and every member would be a Zexion v'x'. Only because it doesn't go into detail to explain it completely, doesn't mean it implies no prep is needed.

Spores are not laughed at. A single physical contact places the spores. Even if they couldn't drain him off chakra (I agree about 3rd's reserves), they would act as a great binding force.

Yes but every physical contact would be forcing Oro to use Oral Rebirth, which Itachi stated was highly chakra taxing.

It required 4 ppl to create 4 barriers to completely seal off Hiruzen from his bodyguards. Orochimaru can simply create a 2D barrier (which only takes a clap of his hands) to effortlessly negate any 3rd's assault, given that his attack pattern is pathetic and relies on a pure dash at his opponents. Also, he could use his barrier directly on him, after he'd been restrained by Oro.

Well the DB does state it is extremely difficult to break out of it, implying it is indeed possible to break out. That means it isn't absolute, and likely vulnerable to the third's 1 finger Hell Stab considering it has no feats/implications of being capable of tanking such a powerful attack. Although feel free to prove me wrong. How does Oro restrain him, I am confused about this.

Also, you omitted F5S which obviously would work too.[/QUOTE]

To disturb the effect of the "Four Images Seal" the Yondaime Hokage performed on Naruto, Orochimaru sealed Naruto once more. Because the "Five Element Seal," an odd-numbered seal, was put on top of the even-numbered "Four Images Seal"**, the Kyuubi's chakra was prevented from returning to Naruto. From then on, Naruto's own chakra and that of the Kyuubi's became jumbled and Naruto lost the ability to skilfully control it.

Databook proves this is only usable on a person which has an even numbered seal on him. I've already argued this with you on previous occasions, this isn't usable in fights on anyone who doesn't have an even numbered seal i.e. Sandaime Raikage.. Wikia isn't as reliable as it seems.

 

[Conspirator.]

Raikage shits on him. I wouldn't listen to Natanna's BS(unless you want to lose brain cells). I still remember when I made a kisame vs orochimaru thread when I first joined, she claimed that orochimaru was almost as fast as Kisame underwater. LOL!

 

[paratise]

Databook isn't the thing to judge all your beliefs on, otherwise Kakuzu would be top 15 since DB makes him godly and every member would be a Zexion v'x'.

Well...Lol

OT: 3rd wins.

 

[blazekev90]

Orochimaru has his chances, depending how he utilizes his techniques. His best hope would be poison or simply stopping the 3rd Raikage chakra.

Zetsu Orochimaru could easily do so with spores.
Base Orochimaru would need five element seal.

Without raiton armour, his reflexes diminish, durability and speed. Along with his inability to perform jutsu.

Also, scamming thru others post. Using spores, one does not need direct contact their opponent. We witness this Kage counsel.

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

Effortlessly?

Please be serious, call it reflexes or whatever you want, it was speed that allowed him to evade Naruto. And Naruto only hit him with the Raikages back turned. Not to mention it was Kabuto controlling him most of the time. An Edo can't exactly bring out their full strength and abilities when being controlled since the user doesn't know them better than the Edo itself. The fact that he didn't use black lightning once proves that, Naruto already pretty much implied that the third Raikage was v1 Ay speed. And KCM Naruto is faster than v2'Ay, so saying third Raikage got blitzed doesn't even make sense, KCM naruto was the only person in the war who could've matched his speed (apart from Ay of course).

Yes, Naruto effortlessly blitzes him. He shunshin ****ed his ass so hard right here his balls dropped

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. The mention of black lightning is useless considering we don't the extent of which it was used. We couldn't even tell if he harnessed it in the form of a raiton shroud or not so it really shouldn't be discussed here.

Naruto implied nothing of the sort, and furthermore you don't always have to match someone's speed in order to counter it.