[Theory] Madara's Plan and Future developments

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Amazing Thread. + Rep.

I am glad you liked it bro.

definitely decent thread. + rep for sure

Thank you for supporting my theory.

Lol I'm sorry I stopped just at the beginning. You believe that Madara (which I don't rule it out completely) has still some relevanche in the plot, but yet you already concluded that Obito is dead and out? Let me tell you one thing, his body is still visible, his sharingan is still intact and we still don't know about what happened about his other sharingan. That beign said, there is no way for Obito to leave the battlefield before he shows his true power of his pair of MS, not a chance in hell.

I said he was probably dead. I can't go around saying he is surely not dead when we saw zetsu leaving his body and claiming before that he was dead. Zetsu is attached to his body, so he probably knows if he is dead or not. Though, zetsu might be lying since he was betraying Madara, I am leaning towards the fact he is not alive. He was only being kept alive because of zetsu after he got the bijuus extracted and use rinne tensei. Logically, he should not be able to live if Zetsu has left him.

the bigger problem is: madara wasnt acting. he just grew more arrogant with more power. he spit out tools and said who cares? he didnt know about kaguya being shinju until after he spit ot tools and absorbed the tree. kaguya was in shinju not juubi. headband falling was plot again. hagoromo never mentioned anything about kaguya being shinju or wanting a zetsu army. either he doesnt know or is hiding it. bz betraying him was a surprise. he didnt want to be stabbed from behind, only by hashi <3 he was absorbed so no VOTE repeat

not saying hes done but this all sounds like madara fan wishing for his return

p.s. obito lives! hellelujah

I am a Madara fan but not a fanboy. This thread is just a theory. I am not wishing that Madara comes back or anything. I just have my doubts about Kishimoto troll.

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This is a well put thread,but what can Madara offer to the plot now apart from maybe more power lel.
Kaguya on the other hand can fill all the remaining the holes,first hand info for the origin of chakra,Shinju, the reason as to why she is breeding soldiers,her homeland,Hyuga origin etc.

Kaguya is going to be very important to the plot. In the end, like I mentioned in the thread, she might be converted. The shinju would no longer target humanity and Kaguya will take back all chakra without killing anyone. Yet, before that , I think Kaguya would realise her mistakes when she would be sealed according to the theory. Then, she would be freed but she will no longer be evil. She would accept her mistakes. This is a perfect end for Naruto.

 

[atma]

good theory but I doubt the manga will end soon

 

[Zol]

I doubt it. It simply wouldn't make sense for Madara to return as the main villain. His plan was finished, he achieved the very goal he was always working towards. But then it turned out he set in motion something completely different which he didn't know about. Him returning as the vilain would be pointless now.

 

[B00m]

-How do they have separate bodies exactly? Kaguya used her will to take over Madara's body, so how could her will just be sealed by the ninja tools?
-How in the world are Naurto and Sasuke going to weaken Kaguya exactly? And how will white zetsu sneak up on Kaguya, Naruto, and Sasuke to help Madara get this fruit that doesn't seem to be relevant anymore after Madara absorbed the tree itself, which turned out to be Kaguya/Jubi?
-Hasn't it been stated that Kaguya already created white zetsus before? So how or why would one of them just betray her? Because Madara said so? Did he create a special one that some how disobeys its original creator?

I'd personally rather see Madara atone for his negativity and pull an Obito, with Hashirama giving him some sort of praise, with obvious flashbacks as you mentioned. After all the Hokage are still alive. It makes sense that Kaguya is the FV because she is essentially the tree in which it just wants to restore its original state, and as you said Kaguya/Jubi/Tree has been shown to care for its nursery, which is the land itself. And it all started with her and the tree to begin with.

 

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-How do they have separate bodies exactly? Kaguya used her will to take over Madara's body, so how could her will just be sealed by the ninja tools?
-How in the world are Naurto and Sasuke going to weaken Kaguya exactly? And how will white zetsu sneak up on Kaguya, Naruto, and Sasuke to help Madara get this fruit that doesn't seem to be relevant anymore after Madara absorbed the tree itself, which turned out to be Kaguya/Jubi?
-Hasn't it been stated that Kaguya already created white zetsus before? So how or why would one of them just betray her? Because Madara said so? Did he create a special one that some how disobeys its original creator?

I'd personally rather see Madara atone for his negativity and pull an Obito, with Hashirama giving him some sort of praise, with obvious flashbacks as you mentioned. After all the Hokage are still alive. It makes sense that Kaguya is the FV because she is essentially the tree in which it just wants to restore its original state, and as you said Kaguya/Jubi/Tree has been shown to care for its nursery, which is the land itself. And it all started with her and the tree to begin with.

-Kaguya is the one going to be sealed. Not her will.
- Surely, they could get powerups from the sage's brother. Black zetsu would only approach Kaguya and caused her to be sealed. Madara would cause Kaguya to respond back and get sealed like Ino did with one of the Kin Gin brothers. Why do you say the fruit is irrelevant?
- My belief is that all zetsus are Kaguya's will to a small extent. Black Zetsu is Kaguya's will to a large extent. What if spiral zetsu's genetics have been altered? Of course, it is possible. Kaguya would never fully understand why Madara would bring one zetsu completely to his side.

Yes, Madara should atone for his sins. Denying my theory means Madara is dead. If he is dead, he will not be able to atone for his mistakes.

 

[B00m]

So you are saying BZ will some how just be sealed, possible.

There is currently no tree, so how would there be a fruit? And why would Kaguya spawn another one when she seems to have obtained all her power back from the land?

You got me on that last one, he does have to come back somehow to have his farewell. So you think he will become even more powerful than current Kaguya? Because fighting the same powerful being in a different body just seems...well repetitive. And who will intervene to help stop him? Assume after dealing with Kaguya Team 7 will be wiped. Guess there is the Hokage, Hashi's gift to Sasuke, and the unpredictable like So6P brother and the possibility of everyone being released from IT to help out one last time.

 

[DoubleKamui]

Great theory. Even though I don't want it to happen, you certainly made some interesting points there. Yes, I agree that Madara is evil. He's just another Kaguya who wants to seek more and more power. The landing of his headband on the So6P tools was too suspicious, imo. I also believe that's no coincidence. Though, I don't really like the idea of Madara coming back and eating the fruit. He will be too overpowered if he does. Though, I can see Naruto talking to Kaguya and changing her ideals and beliefs. If Madara was to come back, I can see Sasuke doing the same thing to Madara. After all, it was already foreshadowed that the latter might happen. At this stage, I just want to believe that Madara sent a message to SZ that will in some way help the Alliance by giving them intel or something. Who knows, you could be right!

 

[Glazebone]

There is just a lot to digest here.

First of all Kaguya isn't controlling Madara or anything. When BZ stabbed him (and this is just my opinion), he transferred his will (Kaguya's will) onto the body of Madara. It then became clear that she used Madara's body as a vessel for rebirth. There might be a possibility that Madara fights back but it sure as hell isn't going to be for the sake of Team 7 of the Shinobi world. And I think that even if Kaguya is defeated, when she dies, Madara will die too.
If you think about this it is just like the Edo Tensei: it requires live human sacrifices as vessels for the dead shinobi but upon release of the jutsu, when they are sealed or when the spirit finds rest, the human vessels are dead.

As for the "spitting out" part I have to agree that Madara was just being arrogant and drunk with power. Even when he fought 8 Gates Guy he didn't bother to make any offensive action and just took every blow. He even remarked he was close to dying which, in my opinion, was damn lucky.

And about the whole "he knew Kaguya was coming" part, it is my assumption that Madara had no clue about Kaguya untill he absorbed the tree. And even then I highly doubt that he had any idea that BZ would betray him. If he doubted it even for one second, I don't believe he would have kept him at his side till the very end.

 

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Great theory. Even though I don't want it to happen, you certainly made some interesting points there. Yes, I agree that Madara is evil. He's just another Kaguya who wants to seek more and more power. The landing of his headband on the So6P tools was too suspicious, imo. I also believe that's no coincidence. Though, I don't really like the idea of Madara coming back and eating the fruit. He will be too overpowered if he does. Though, I can see Naruto talking to Kaguya and changing her ideals and beliefs. If Madara was to come back, I can see Sasuke doing the same thing to Madara. After all, it was already foreshadowed that the latter might happen. At this stage, I just want to believe that Madara sent a message to SZ that will in some way help the Alliance by giving them intel or something. Who knows, you could be right!

Thank you for reading fellow Obito fan. It was a bit long though. You must be an intelligent member if you truly grasped what I meant by 'Madara is evil'. Madara saying he only wanted peace before Black Zetsu stabbed him was weird as you have noticed. I don't believe someone evil like Madara would solely want peace as I pointed in spoiler 3. Obito and Nagato was understandable but looking at Madara's character, I can deduct that what he truly want is power. Obito and Nagato's methods were evil but Madara's character itself is evil. Madara saying he just wanted peace is like Danzo who put person power before peace.

There is just a lot to digest here.

First of all Kaguya isn't controlling Madara or anything. When BZ stabbed him (and this is just my opinion), he transferred his will (Kaguya's will) onto the body of Madara. It then became clear that she used Madara's body as a vessel for rebirth. There might be a possibility that Madara fights back but it sure as hell isn't going to be for the sake of Team 7 of the Shinobi world. And I think that even if Kaguya is defeated, when she dies, Madara will die too.
If you think about this it is just like the Edo Tensei: it requires live human sacrifices as vessels for the dead shinobi but upon release of the jutsu, when they are sealed or when the spirit finds rest, the human vessels are dead.

As for the "spitting out" part I have to agree that Madara was just being arrogant and drunk with power. Even when he fought 8 Gates Guy he didn't bother to make any offensive action and just took every blow. He even remarked he was close to dying which, in my opinion, was damn lucky.

And about the whole "he knew Kaguya was coming" part, it is my assumption that Madara had no clue about Kaguya untill he absorbed the tree. And even then I highly doubt that he had any idea that BZ would betray him. If he doubted it even for one second, I don't believe he would have kept him at his side till the very end.

I believe it was to convince the readers and Kaguya. If my theory is indeed right, that would be a great plot twist. I am willing to bet Kishimoto would try to make the end of his manga unique by raising tension and adding a huge plot twist. If you have read through his interviews, you would realise that Madara is considered a major villain even by him and he surely won't just toss him out of the window. He knows he will lose a lot of fans when he built up a cool and badass character and just replaced it without a proper death or without a conclusion to his backstory or life.

Imagine Madara didn't act surprised? Wouldn't Kaguya have suspected anything? Of course, if Madara was never shocked when BZ stabbed him or when Kaguya turned out to be the tree, then Kaguya would have noticed he still has planned something. Again, this is just a theory. Madara's plan is not obvious but subtle. There are a few elements that indicate his goal. Of course, Kishimoto would not make it so obvious and at the same time would not make it an asspull by leaving these elements.