[Theory] Sasuke's new technique is not teleportation

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Nah cant be.

If its soo perfect, then why after a couple of uses will sasuke not be able to use it again? The tomoe are surely to run out unless you are suggesting that the tomoe which dissapear return during the cool down period?

What are you saying exactly, can you be more clear please?

Well he can use it 3 times in a row. Thats why he loses the tomoes, after that he shuts his eye. Like when he closed it while madara was in the kamui dimension. While its closed it cools down and he gains the tomoes back
 

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in the current chapter sasuke just used it. How would he just use izanagi if nothing bad happened? If he could just use izanagi, he could literally undo anything and would be unbeatable.

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and threadmaker, sorry but i already made thread like this before. but without izanagi. i call it teleportation and got some decent evidences. it all even makes sense

so i still think its teleport
 

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Possible. It is worth reading the chapter over again. He already has a perfect Susanoo so why not?
 

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Ok first of this is just a theory. Second if the thread has been made before my bad. I'm on break at work and this is my smoke break.

So I don't think sasukes new technique is teleportation. I think it's a perfect izangani. Think about it, when Madara attacked naruto and sasuke, sasuke appeared away from the attack then lost 3 tomoes to his rinnengan.

Second when his sword missed it reappeared in Madara, he lost 3 more tomoe.

Later he closed his eyes while it recharged. He's got a cool down time for each set of tomoes.

Again this is just a theory that I made on my phone. If anyone can add scans it would be appreciated.


Thanks for reading and let's discuss

He doesn't lose tomoe with every attack, Kishimoto just changes the amount due to the angle and location of the panel.
 

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Izanagi works by altering reality to erase a result you don't approve it, then starting all over again. That is what Itachi explained, it was also explained that Izanagi is the jutsu that changes your own fate, while Izanami is the jutsu that decides someone's destiny. Sasuke altered the "destiny" of himself and his blade at the same time, switching places. That is if he used Izanagi to do that, which I doubt he did as it goes against what Izanagi is. As said, Izanagi alters the destiny of the user, not their tools or anything else. (If so then Danzo could just have used Izanagi to teleport his jutsu inside of Sasuke's Susano'o, which he didn't. Izanagi also only affects the caster and nothing else, while Madara commented that Sasuke has a limit to how far his jutsu can reach, meaning that it affects the world around him and not him specifically. Sasuke's attacks and Izanagi has nothing in common whatsoever. He is either using teleportation or he is changes space and time with objects around him.

 

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Would make him too OP.

Remember he telleported/moved Naruto to Madara aswell as himself.
 

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this

and threadmaker, sorry but i already made thread like this before. but without izanagi. i call it teleportation and got some decent evidences. it all even makes sense

so i still think its teleport


Give me the link and I'll check it out. I like reading good theories
 

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He doesn't lose tomoe with every attack, Kishimoto just changes the amount due to the angle and location of the panel.

So why didnt he have any tomoe from a straight angle?
 

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Sasuke's technique is, he can move objects with his eye...

That's all, if they tell you otherwise, they are wrong.. if you need evidence ask
 

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So why didnt he have any tomoe from a straight angle?



First he has 6, then he has 9, then he has 6 again and then he has 0, then he has 6 again, then 0 again, then 6 again and so on. If your theory is to match then he would need to only decrease. I am assuming that Kishi had problems drawing them or he simply couldn't decide on a design as he isn't used to drawing it yet.

 

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Your thread was wrong on so many levels.
you clearly did not get what i ment huh? Sadly it was joke to bad you did not get it.

he has teleportation.

Or like, you know, you could be a retard.
OT: check out my theory, it is similar to yours :).
 
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Izanagi works by altering reality to erase a result you don't approve it, then starting all over again. That is what Itachi explained, it was also explained that Izanagi is the jutsu that changes your own fate, while Izanami is the jutsu that decides someone's destiny. Sasuke altered the "destiny" of himself and his blade at the same time, switching places. That is if he used Izanagi to do that, which I doubt he did as it goes against what Izanagi is. As said, Izanagi alters the destiny of the user, not their tools or anything else. (If so then Danzo could just have used Izanagi to teleport his jutsu inside of Sasuke's Susano'o, which he didn't. Izanagi also only affects the caster and nothing else, while Madara commented that Sasuke has a limit to how far his jutsu can reach, meaning that it affects the world around him and not him specifically. Sasuke's attacks and Izanagi has nothing in common whatsoever. He is either using teleportation or he is changes space and time with objects around him.


Izanagi is a justu which derives from the yin side of creation of all things. The yin side of COAT allows a user to create shape from nothing. Perhaps calling it Izanagi is a misnomer, but for lack of a better term, it explains the principle quite well.

While it's effect seems to b e akin to teleportation, I do not believe it is. This is because we know that Sasuke is well associated with the yin element. Sasuke just received the yin power of the Sage of the Six Paths. This opposed to Narutos Yang power, which he has demonstrated to be able to breathe live into a person. I.E. guy and Kakashi he kept guy alive and brought back Kakashi's eye by giving it life again.

Sasuke received the yin power of COAT and above I explained it's relevance. We also know that the sharingan is heavily related to genjutsu as will as the sharinnegan. Now that Sasuke has the Sharinnegan, we should assume he gets powers that are already known to be related to it. This would therefore be some sort of genjutsu power. We this information, I think it is more accurate to say it is a form of genjutsu, because teleportation has no relation to a new sharinnegan.

I would also like to note that it also has some sort of range. Sasuke needed Tobirama to teleport him to the battle, but once Sasuke was in range he was able to use his power. perhaps it is line of sight,(probably not but still range limited) but I think it suggests that it is definitely eye related and therefore not teleportation.

Also Kaguya has the same eye and in this chapter she appaears to hvae brought them somewhere with teleportation, but I would make the same case and say she either changed the environment with a true genjutsu. Or she rewrote their location in reality. I don't think she just teleported all of them without touching them or even looking at each one.

On the tomoe disappearing here is my thread explaning it some, their may be several drawing mistakes, but I think this might explain it.
 

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Izanagi is a justu which derives from the yin side of creation of all things. The yin side of COAT allows a user to create shape from nothing. Perhaps calling it Izanagi is a misnomer, but for lack of a better term, it explains the principle quite well.

While it's effect seems to b e akin to teleportation, I do not believe it is. This is because we know that Sasuke is well associated with the yin element. Sasuke just received the yin power of the Sage of the Six Paths. This opposed to Narutos Yang power, which he has demonstrated to be able to breathe live into a person. I.E. guy and Kakashi he kept guy alive and brought back Kakashi's eye by giving it life again.

Sasuke received the yin power of COAT and above I explained it's relevance. We also know that the sharingan is heavily related to genjutsu as will as the sharinnegan. Now that Sasuke has the Sharinnegan, we should assume he gets powers that are already known to be related to it. This would therefore be some sort of genjutsu power. We this information, I think it is more accurate to say it is a form of genjutsu, because teleportation has no relation to a new sharinnegan.

I would also like to note that it also has some sort of range. Sasuke needed Tobirama to teleport him to the battle, but once Sasuke was in range he was able to use his power. perhaps it is line of sight,(probably not but still range limited) but I think it suggests that it is definitely eye related and therefore not teleportation.

Also Kaguya has the same eye and in this chapter she appaears to hvae brought them somewhere with teleportation, but I would make the same case and say she either changed the environment with a true genjutsu. Or she rewrote their location in reality. I don't think she just teleported all of them without touching them or even looking at each one.

On the tomoe disappearing here is my thread explaning it some, their may be several drawing mistakes, but I think this might explain it.

I wish I could rep you again
 

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I think that its izangani and not teleportation. He thinks of appearing behind kaguya and it happens. After that he lost 3 tomoes

My understanding of Izangani is
1. SOMETHING HAPPENS
2. A Result happens
IZANGANI
Goes back to 1. So they can choose another action for a different result

Up until now . .. I though we have seen the 1st result before the Izangani
It would be have seen his 1st result before him just appearing behind Kaguya

but that is just me. .
 
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