A Madara Fan's Essay Regarding The State And Direction Of The Manga [LONG READ]

[Scoutcat]

I quite agree, Kaguya was random and uncalled for. This week's chapter was terrible and it will take at least 3 chapters to explain and somehow establish it.

But well, we will see how it goes. Maybe it will make sense in a month or so.

Also at people being like "lel its just manga" - you are terrible. This thread is made to discuss OP's opinion, read it or leave.

 

[ANONNEWBIE]

I agree with your thread..but you see that writing didnt turn from good to worst in just one chapter...writer has been delivering twist and turns as per his convenience and this is happening since long time...fans were denying then and most of them are still and will...so unlike you I am little less disappointed or feel betrayed right now..

 

[yellowxflash]

i agree with you its been abysmal lately there whole treatment of madara has been tedious at best, and the whole back story of kaguya is shit and rushed, not to mention hagoromo who was relevant for 2 chapters

 

[Chibi Light]

Disagree. Back when the Sage was introduced the manga didn't depend on him at all, it's the manga you know NOW that needs the Sage but going back there was no point where an omniscient god-like figure in the NV was ever necessary. He's easily removable. Madara's agenda didn't need to involve a Sage nor reach that far back. Madara could've been what the Sage represented, Madara could've been as far back in the NV timeline as we ever needed to go.

Kid, its not whether it depended him there or now. As I said he was pivotal to the plot of the story (go read the plot), the Sage's existence served as background story to the existence of the tail beasts which is a relevant background since our main character got one inside him.

Now lets take Madara agenda into account, if his agenda was different then the Sage's history will be irrelevant. But we already know Madara main agenda is to establish peace through the ninja world which wasn't evil expect the way he went about it is. The Sage's history served as a lost cause and a new inspiration to Madara, giving Madara the realization even without chakra they will still be war.

Not only that its also contributes to why Madara and Hashi were too OP.

Don't make "If you take out the Sage out the story then..." of thinking simple as it seems. Ever heard of the butterfly effect?

And you think that's good writing? You actually enjoy having every single villain take control of the previous one in exactly the same way? you don't think it's gotten old at all?

Depends which control you mean as in through deceiving or physical control.

Lame. Also you think i'm a Madara fanboy or something? I got nothing to be butthurt over buddy, just a bit of crappy writing decisions that need rinsing out.

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) That's a butthurt Madara fanboy sentence right there.

Criticizing a story is way too easy than writing one and there is a no perfect story as long as counterfactual thinking still exist. We can criticize it all we want but in the end we just have to suck it up and accept it as it is.

 

[MinaButt]

Kaguya is such a broken base character. People either make shrines for her or hate her guts. Honestly you could replace Madara with Kaguyas name in a argument and vice versa and everything would still apply. Overpowered, almost zero connection to the main characters, generic. Madara was such a shitty villian so I hope that Kaguya doesn't dissapoint as much as he did.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Just for clarification: The writer is not a he, but a she.

 

[Gein]

I like how her personality was assumed right away.

Stopped reading after.

 

[Lightbringer]

I didn't expect you to feel that way. Thought you were on board with Kaguya?

Well, I feel the same. Madara is my favorite character and was foreshadowed to be the final villain since early shippuden.

His name and power was built up and he was present both indirectly and directly throughout the manga.

Then he just got replaced like nothing by someone who was recently introduced, who just happened to have a conveniently written backstory.

 

[MrLukyso]

I just have a laugh at people saying that we are butthurt or anything *_*

One day, when you grow up and maybe read this story again, you'll realize the fact that Kaguya as a Villain cannot even Compare with Madara.

Madara was developed in around 400 Chapters, Kaguya and her story appeared 5 Chapters ago.

And Kishimoto cannot change anything, he cannot go into deeper story, this is the End Game of the Manga.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

I didn't expect you to feel that way. Thought you were on board with Kaguya?

You misunderstand, I don't really share the sentiments of the essayist I just wanted to share her essay to NB, that is all. *_*

 

[HiddenSound]

I just have a laugh at people saying that we are butthurt or anything *_*

One day, when you grow up and maybe read this story again, you'll realize the fact that Kaguya as a Villain cannot even Compare with Madara.

Madara was developed in around 400 Chapters, Kaguya and her story appeared 5 Chapters ago.

And Kishimoto cannot change anything, he cannot go into deeper story, this is the End Game of the Manga.

>says he's not butthurt
>says everyone who likes Kaguya more than Madara is a kid
Mm.

 

[MrLukyso]

>says he's not butthurt
>says everyone who likes Kaguya more than Madara is a kid
Mm.

RIP your Mindset. U_U

It's not about which one you like more... just read the god damn thread post, it explains everything.

Kaguya : An allien, introduced 5 Chapters ago who seeks to create an Army of Freaks by killing everyone on the planet for GOD KNOWS WHAT,( Probably Space Battle ), GOD KNOWS WHY, and GOD KNOWS FOR WHAT. Fk Kaguya, she has nothing to do with this story, pls get out btch.

Please tell me, how that can match up to the story and goals that were created for Madara in those 400 Chapters.

 

[HiddenSound]

RIP your Mindset. U_U

It's not about which one you like more... just read the god damn thread post, it explains everything.

Kaguya : An allien, introduced 5 Chapters ago who seeks to create an Army of Freaks by killing everyone on the planet for GOD KNOWS WHAT,( Probably Space Battle ), GOD KNOWS WHY, and GOD KNOWS FOR WHAT. Fk Kaguya, she has nothing to do with this story, pls get out btch.

Please tell me, how that can match up to the story and goals that were created for Madara in those 400 Chapters.

I'm not about to pass final judgement on a character who just made her first physical appearance. All I know is, you're probably upset over what happened.

 

[Seventh Sama]

If you feel like you're wasting your time with kishi's manga then stop reading it.... People literally say they hate the manga yet still read it.... what kind of logic is that?...

 

[MrLukyso]

I'm not about to pass final judgement on a character who just made her first physical appearance. All I know is, you're probably upset over what happened.

Yes and you should be too U_U

The Introduction and Appearance of Kaguya, RIP'ed this manga.

Mark my words when Space Battles and Plot about other Planets begins.

 

[Ldude]

When Kaguya is 100% confirmed to be the juubi(something that has been hyped for years) a lot of his point will become invalid.

Nope, one of the points of this was that it's bad writing to suddenly give the Juubi a human form consideing what we already know about the Juubi's origins. I would go beyond the person who wrote this and say that many chapters ago the So6P was an asspull.

 

[lelerskates]

The amount of butthurt is astounding. It's amazing how people who aren't actual writers themselves can criticize others in such a way. It's the guy's opinion and I can respect that, but when you bash a writer based on the fact that he destroyed your favorite character is disrespectful and stupid. MADARA IS GONE. Deal with it. Ever since Kaguya was introduced people had suspicions that she would be the final villain so why argue it? Madara was taken over because he was arrogant and thought he was unstoppable.

Nope, one of the points of this was that it's bad writing to suddenly give the Juubi a human form consideing what we already know about the Juubi's origins. I would go beyond the person who wrote this and say that many chapters ago the So6P was an asspull.

Except we didn't know it's true origins. We knew what Madara told us but he never experienced the Juubi first hand until recently so who are you to say that he knows everything from before his time as if it's fact?

 

[iKaras]

Well, dude has some really good points.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Kid, its not whether it depended him there or now. As I said he was pivotal to the plot of the story (go read the plot), the Sage's existence served as background story to the existence of the tail beasts which is a relevant background since our main character got one inside him.

Now lets take Madara agenda into account, if his agenda was different then the Sage's history will be irrelevant. But we already know Madara main agenda is to establish peace through the ninja world which wasn't evil expect the way he went about it is. The Sage's history served as a lost cause and a new inspiration to Madara, giving Madara the realization even without chakra they will still be war.

Not only that its also contributes to why Madara and Hashi were too OP.

Don't make "If you take out the Sage out the story then..." of thinking simple as it seems. Ever heard of the butterfly effect?



Depends which control you mean as in through deceiving or physical control.




( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) That's a butthurt Madara fanboy sentence right there.

Criticizing a story is way too easy than writing one and there is a no perfect story as long as counterfactual thinking still exist. We can criticize it all we want but in the end we just have to suck it up and accept it as it is.

Also you're assuming that alternative solutions couldn't be thought up to Kurama's origin and madara's goal. None of that ever means you have to physically meet the sage. You're still talking from within the confines of the manga Kishimoto wrote around this guy and his
Bland family.

 

[RikudouMadara]

It was extremely long....I will not go into detail about what points truly stand out. I agree with most of this.... I do however feel Kaguya should be given the chance to display her worth before giving judgment. I feel we owe Kishi that much...maybe there is a method to his madness!? ^_^

I will wait....and observe first. >_O