Sasuke is 1 septillion times faster

[Rizengan01]

Yes, thats true, he praised Sasuke for his speed, but that doesnt mean he couldnt react.

You are right. That alone does not mean he couldn't react. A person can comment on someone else's speed, but still react to it.

Look at this scene - Madara was able to turn back and formulate a though before he was cut down.

And that solo thought was that Sasuke is really fast.

It didnt look like he couldnt react.

It did look like he couldn't. He didn't. He got cut in half - right after thinking about how fast Sasuke is. Rather, it doesn't at all look like he could have reacted.

Just for reference, Obito reflected on how Naruto got in the Kamui dimension right before he got smashed in the face by a rasengan (chapter 599 I think). He couldn't react. Thought process > movement speed. Having time to think =/= having time to physically react. We've seen that too many times in this story.

And lets be serious... Sasukes body being that much faster than Madaras? It doesnt have any sense story-wise.

It does, though.

Sasuke is supposed to have eye power... Madara has both halves.

Not just eyes - eyes AND chakra. You know what shinobi use to speed themselves up? Chakra. Sasuke has uber strong chakra, and a lot of it.

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Raikage could push out Bijuu-levels of chakra to make himself move at incredible speeds. Naruto could use Kyubi's chakra to make himself go much faster (Actually, all the Jinchuuriki do this, but Naruto is particularly noted). Remember Kakashi and the shunshin training? Etc.

Chakra is important with quality (amount) and quantity (power). Sasuke has powerful chakra, and a lot of it. He can use chakra to move at incredible speeds.

Either way, dealing with Sasuke would slow him down. Two, three more seconds and bye bye Rinnegan.

No. That's not true at all. Again, he didn't teleport until AFTER the attack. So it wasn't "two or three seconds after the start of the attack." It was "two or the seconds after the end of the attack." That means that from start of the attack to the end of the attack, Madara could've done whatever he wanted, because he DID NOT teleport to Kamui in that time span. So defending/dodging would've taken the exact same amount of time.

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Let me try to make this completely clear. I will try to give an analogy.

Two kids are on their way to school. 'Kid 1' tells 'Kid 2' that after school, they have to get home in 15 minutes. Then they both go to school. School ends at 4:00 pm (or 16:00, depending on how you tell time). That means they have to get home by 4:15 pm (16:15). If they get home late, then bad things happen.

Understand that? I hope so. Now look at it this way - when they are walking to school, that represents Sasuke and Madara before the attack. The time they spent at school represents Sasuke and Madara during the attack. The deadline after school represents Madara getting his Rinnegan after the attack.

Just like the kids didn't start walking home until after school was done, Madara didn't go to Kamui Dimension until after Sasuke finished his attack.

During school time, it didn't matter what the kids did, because it didn't affect the time frame. Similarly, during the attack, it didn't matter what Madara did, because the time frame didn't kick in until after the attack was finished.

Do you get it now?

 

[~Sky~]

Are you on something Madara clearly blocked his attack in both scans.

The second scan of the second line clearly shows Madara getting bashed in the face by Naruto.

 

[Rizengan01]

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Madara acknowledged that Naruto did what he did because he had gotten stronger, not because he himself was still recovering, so no excuses for Madara there.

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Madara blocked both of those.

The second scan of the second line clearly shows Madara getting bashed in the face by Naruto.

Nooo! Madara blocked with Limbo. Limbo blocked with his forearm. Then Madara spit out a stream that cut Naruto's staff (Naruto leaned to the side so that the stream wouldn't cut his head off). Then Limbo knocked Naruto back.

 

[Turson]

Are you on something Madara clearly blocked his attack in both scans.

Well, lets just say that Madara was impressed enough to immedietly think that something big must have happened.

 

[Berserker]

The second scan of the second line clearly shows Madara getting bashed in the face by Naruto.

No thats Madara using a jutsu Lol.

Well, lets just say that Madara was impressed enough to immedietly think that something big must have happened.

Alright that's nice.

 

[Rizengan01]

Well, lets just say that Madara was impressed enough to immedietly think that something big must have happened.

Like how he was impressed enough with Sasuke's speed to comment on it before being cut in half?

 

[~Sky~]

Madara blocked both of those.

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[Rizengan01]

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That was blocking...look at the third panel.

 

[~Sky~]

That was blocking...look at the third panel.

He's still getting drilled into a tree while acknowledging Naruto's power increase. That's a blitz.

People say Sage Madara blitzed Sage Mode Naruto even though Naruto blocked his attack.

 

[Turson]

It did look like he couldn't.

I got completely different impression when I was reading this chapter for the first time and my opinion is still the same.

It does, though.

Not really.

Not just eyes - eyes AND chakra. You know what shinobi use to speed themselves up? Chakra. Sasuke has uber strong chakra, and a lot of it.

Of course that Sasuke has strong chakra, and his body evolved even more after the last chapter, but lets make something clear:

Body power - Narutos forte.
Eyes power - Sasukes forte
While Madara has two halves, he has them balanced. That is how this story was writen. Its not like Sasuke is best at everything.

So defending/dodging would've taken the exact same amount of time.

Only, there was no reason to do that.

Like how he was impressed enough with Sasuke's speed to comment on it before being cut in half?

Exactly.

 

[Rizengan01]

He's still getting drilled into a tree while acknowledging Naruto's power increase. That's a blitz.

That's because Naruto was so strong, not because of speed.

People say Sage Madara blitzed Sage Mode Naruto even though Naruto blocked his attack.

I never said that. I always argued that Madara didn't blitz Naruto.

I got completely different impression when I was reading this chapter for the first time and my opinion is still the same.

Why? There's literally not a single indication of what you are saying.

Not really.

You say "Not really" but you aren't backing it up. Am I just supposed to take your word, even though it makes no sense?

Of course that Sasuke has strong chakra, and his body evolved even more after the last chapter, but lets make something clear:

Body power - Narutos forte.
Eyes power - Sasukes forte.

While Madara has two halves, he has them balanced. That is how this story was writen. Its not like Sasuke is best at everything.

Sure. But does that mean Sasuke can't be fast? Does that mean Sasuke can't be strong? Does that mean Sasuke can't be durable? Does that mean Sasuke can't have high stamina?

Keep in mind that Sasuke was always naturally faster than Naruto. The only time Naruto was faster than Sasuke was when he got a chakra boost from Kyubi. Now, Sasuke's chakra surpasses Kyubi. And now, Naruto and Sasuke both use Sage's Chakra.

Only, there was no reason to do that.

This is your argument now?

Exactly.

Then why are you trying to argue against Sasuke's speed?

 

[King Of Pop]

Yes, thats true, he praised Sasuke for his speed, but that doesnt mean he couldnt react. Look at this scene - Madara was able to turn back and formulate a though before he was cut down. It didnt look like he couldnt react. And lets be serious... Sasukes body being that much faster than Madaras? It doesnt have any sense story-wise. Sasuke is supposed to have eye power... Madara has both halves.

Either way, dealing with Sasuke would slow him down. Two, three more seconds and bye bye Rinnegan.

being able to formulate a thought doesnt mean he could have reacted. reacting is physical hence takes up more stress, a lot more is needed than just being able to say something so yh madara couldnt react. you say story wise it doesnt make sense but we that is clearly what happened. that statement of yours indicates that your trying to refute it because logically to you it doesnt make sense but one can just refute manga evidense just because of what you think shuould not happen.

 

[~Sky~]

That's because Naruto was so strong, not because of speed.

I never said that. I always argued that Madara didn't blitz Naruto.

He needed the speed to get there, which he did. Just because Madara got his staff in front of him doesn't mean he wasn't blitzed. I fail to see how this isn't a speed feat.

 

[Rizengan01]

He needed the speed to get there, which he did. Just because Madara got his staff in front of him doesn't mean he wasn't blitzed. I fail to see how this isn't a speed feat.

A snail could've gotten to Madara...It's not like Madara was moving or trying to get away. Madara was able to react to Naruto's speed and block accordingly. That doesn't happen in a speed blitz.

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It's a solid "speed feat" but it is not a "speed blitz"

 

[Turson]

That's because Naruto was so strong, not because of speed.

Times when Naruto wasnt that fast are long gone.

Why? There's literally not a single indication of what you are saying.

Madara was able to turn around and praise Sasukes speed before being cut down. He exaclty knew what was happening and when he was cut it didnt even phase him.

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-> No exclamation marks coming from him, nothing.

You say "Not really" but you aren't backing it up.

What about this?

Of course that Sasuke has strong chakra, and his body evolved even more after the last chapter, but lets make something clear:

Body power - Narutos forte.
Eyes power - Sasukes forte.

While Madara has two halves, he has them balanced. That is how this story was writen. Its not like Sasuke is best at everything.

Sure. But does that mean Sasuke can't be fast? Does that mean Sasuke can't be strong?

Of course he can. He can be very stong and very fast and he is. But do I see him stronger or faster than the guys whose forte is body strenght? No. For me its as ridiculous as idea of Naruto with better eyes than Sasuke.

This is your argument now?

Yes.

Then why are you trying to argue against Sasuke's speed?

I never said that he isnt fast. But him being much faster than Madara? Please...

 

[shelke]

The term 'SWISH' is used for Sasuke's movement. This wasn't teleportation, but foot speed.

naruto foot speed still > sasuke.

sasuke teleportation> naruto's foot speed. it's so simple.

Got any manga proof? Oh wait ... you love making crap up.

Naruto Would Solo Sasuke Footspeed

Sasuke Is Teleporting Lol

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Hands with the voice of years of experience? Only the one who has been there can understand others properly.

 

[Turson]

The term 'SWISH' is used for Sasuke's movement. This wasn't teleportation, but foot speed.

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-> I dont know. For me it was his s/t technique.

 

[shelke]

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-> I dont know. For me it was his s/t technique.

Swish means fast speed movement;

- The car swished past them.
- The bullet swished past his ear.
- She missed his cheek, and her slap swished past his face.

etc etc.

Until a better translation doesn't confirm it, it was body-flicker. Also, Sakura is able to see Naruto's movement just fine, when even Hebi Sasuke used to completely elude eye-sight. Shows one that Sasuke is out of his league at the moment.

 

[Turson]

Swish means fast speed movement;

Alright, but I see no swish in this scan.

Shows one that Sasuke is out of his league at the moment.

I think that Sasuke is "faster" than Naruto in mid-range with his s/t technique. Without it? I bet Naruto and Madara are faster.

 

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why bring up movement speed? you're clearly denying that sasuke is the fastes