[Discussion] Major plothole!

[JStar King]

In the recent Naruto chapter, Black Zetsu stated that Kaguya kept everyone alive and turned them into White Zetsu when she herself casted IT. There is a problem with this HUGE bit of information. First:

Madara stated that he create White Zetsu through Hashirama's DNA, thus creating a clone through Yin & Yang Chakra Manipulation. But then Black Zetsu stated a different truth saying that they were created from humans to become Kaguya's minions, which doesn't make any sense at all. If so, How did Hagoromo and Hamura change everyone back? And if they didn't, how the F*CK were Indra, Ashura, and Hamura's children born? Did Hagoromo use a birthing jutsu on himself and let his brother bend him over?

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Then there's Black Zetsu. Madara stated himself that he created Black Zetsu through his own Will, so how the hell did he become Kaguya's? And why does he know so much about her if he wasn't created in her time?

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Tell me what you think? Is it a plot hole or inconsistancy?

 

[captaincook]

madara called them failed experiments because he made with hashirama's dna
which means they are inferior to the real thing
it's just another method of doing it, there's no plot hole

 

[The Rower]

Madara tends to lie allot...Also this is probable something that will get explained later on(it might be related to Hashirama's death witch we never heard about)

 

[JStar King]

How was Indra, Ashura, and Hamura's children were born if everyone was turned into Zetsu?

 

[Angelic.]

failed experiments of hashi clone. kaguyas will could be in gedo.

most likely not everyone was IT back then.

 

[HashiramaDescendant]

Because the God Tree is made of the same material Hashirama's DNA is made of and they both have the ability to create white Zetsu.
Also, black Zetsu "was" Madara's will, but since Madara tried to become Kaguya, he was not "Madara's" will anymore, but Kaguya's. That's how I see it and I'm sure that someone will prove me wrong lol. :|

 

[SeBa]

1. you already got some answers + juubi etc... don't have time to talk about that.
2. Kaguya may have been able to control BZ after Madara absorbed the God Tree.

everyting will be explain we must wait.

 

[AaaaNinja]

madara called them failed experiments because he made with hashirama's dna
which means they are inferior to the real thing
it's just another method of doing it, there's no plot hole

This makes sense. White zetsus are just Hashirama's clones (stated over and over AND OVER in the manga) made out of cells that formed into people as they grew. It doesn't take yin-and-yang anything to create clones out of cells, just some advanced ninja biology.

Kaguya is using actual humans, so her Zetsus are going to be way superior to Madara's wannabe creations.

Madara's "will" was a trick. He was punk'd.

Not a plothole.

 

[JStar King]

But still, I want to know how the children were born if everyone was turned into a Zetsu. How can they change back?

 

[LUMOS ULTIMATUM]

Because the God Tree is made of the same material Hashirama's DNA is made of and they both have the ability to create white Zetsu.
Also, black Zetsu "was" Madara's will, but since Madara tried to become Kaguya, he was not "Madara's" will anymore, but Kaguya's. That's how I see it and I'm sure that someone will prove me wrong lol. :|

You are partly right.

 

[Chīkara]

Madara failed. He even said it himself.

 

[AaaaNinja]

But still, I want to know how the children were born if everyone was turned into a Zetsu. How can they change back?

It's unknown whether everyone was turned into a white zetsu. Maybe she was stopped partially through her process. Maybe she only captured part of the human race. Maybe they really were turned back.

 

[anonymityIx]

Black Zetsu has always been Kaguya's will in my opinion. Madara knew how to make artificial Zetsus because kaguya aka black zetsu knew how to. Unsure if only part of humanity was taken by the IT in the past or if Hagoromo and Hamura freed them prior to becoming zetsus.

 

[HouKage]

Characters are horrible narrators. . . they lie. . . and they can be deceived and misinformed.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

But still, I want to know how the children were born if everyone was turned into a Zetsu. How can they change back?

Who ever said all humans were changed into zetsu? She could only cast infinet tsukiyomi on one person at a time it would take very long to get evey person witch I believe she did not do.

 

[Floydical]

I think its obvious that Kaguya failed in taking over the world back then. So either some people made it out or her plan was not fully realized. That's how mankind might have survived.

As for Black/White Zetsu, its not really a plothole because this could simply be the original method for creating Zetsu and Madara simply found another way. BZ inheriting Kaguya's will could be a result of Madara having had awakened Rinnegan at that time and had some of Kaguya's chakra in him already. At the very least, like you said, its an inconsistency because it counters what we know, but its possible there are other ways the Zetsu could have been created.

 

[UltimateHawk]

madara called them failed experiments because he made with hashirama's dna
which means they are inferior to the real thing
it's just another method of doing it, there's no plot hole

This U_U

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[ShinjuMadara]

Kaguya's Zetsus will be stronger

 

[Samest]

theres so much left to explain that i think the series will go into a year of flashbacks before anymore complications

 

[SkyGodHorus]

It's not really a plot hole so much so that it's an unexplained plot. We don't know the full details behind Kaguya yet. At the moment, it seems to be implied her souls was sealed inside the gedo mazou and her will was pieced out into Black Zetsu without Madara knowing it. When the Juubi was revived, she may have possessed it and taken on the form of its flower, which was clearly she speaking from it to Madara just before he absorbed the tree.

As far as the white zetsus go, they were shown to be able to reproduce spores and engulf people and the shinju appears to be the original form of Mokuton to me and Mokuton is wood and thus a living thing with a life force and reproduction. Think of it as a body snatcher scenario where aliens implant seeds, parasites or their cells into people and it hastily or slowly turns them into aliens.

In regards to the first IT, it seems to be implied Hagoromo and Hamura stopped Kaguya before she could turn everyone into zetsus.