Killer Bee vs SM Naruto and SM Jiraiya

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Bee wins because of the summoning restriction. First off J-man can't stay in SM without Ma and Pa. And then if they can't bring a large toad they have no counter for tailed beast transformation. Bee low-mid diff.
 

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Full knowledge and summons restricted? -_-

Bee goes BM and nukes them.
 

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They have 0 counter to TBB barrage.

Killer Bee wins low diff.
 

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Be can just un -do his full hachibi transformation and use raiton to free himself from the doton.
That's easily prevented by Naruto throwing a Rasen Shuriken into the swamp, aimed straight at Bee's location. Needless to say that Bee, surrouned by mud, won't even see it coming. Sen'nin Modo allows them to precisely feel when he undoes his transformation.

Not like he doesn't obliterate them instantly anyways
As already noted, Bee won't get a chance to.

Except, the mud doesn't have enough quality
How did you reach that conclusion? Its mass alone poses a hindrance. It's the same as moving underwater: The mass inevitably slows down one's movements. Then again, this mud is much thicker than water and extremely adhesive. Ningendou was unable to move even an inch [ ], despite being stuck against gravity. Under those conditions, Bee won't be able to spin. Let alone at high speeds, which is necessary for Bijuu Hachimaki to work.

and quantity
Again, anything to back up your assumption? Its quantity is easily enough to contain Hachibi's entire body. Against Orochimaru, Jiraiya was poisoned [ ]. In that state, he couldn't even properly summon [ ], placing his Chakra control on a level similar to Naruto's; which is pathetic. Still, he was able to create a massive swamp.

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Unrestricted, both width and depth increase, as implied by Jiraiya himself [ ] and the databook, which states that 'the size and depth of the created swamp depend on the user's skill and the amount of chakra used'. The technique is even further boosted by Jiraiya's Sen'nin Modo [ ], said to drastically increase the level of all Nin-, Tai- and Genjutsu. By no means is the mud's quantity an issue.

to immobilize Hachibi's raw strength.
Considering its raw strength was restrained by mere humans [ ] in the past, that's not much of an argument. Orochimaru's snake, which also possessed great physical strength [ ], could only move at an extremely slow pace after it was caught; and that was Yomi Numa used without Sen'nin Modo, by a greatly weakened Jiraiya. Not to mention that it wasn't even entirely sunken.
 

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Damn i found someone better at defending Jiraya than me. I obviously agree with everything Floriglori said U_U
 

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Summons are restricted because there would be too many dead bodies after Bee went BM. Bee Low-Dif
 

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Damn i found someone better at defending Jiraya than me. I obviously agree with everything Floriglori said U_U
Your not a good Jiraiya debater you think he can sense and you aslo think Needle Jizo can stop Amaterasu.
 

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If the summonings weren't restricted team SM could potentially mid diff bee ...
But seeing as they r bee mid diffs them...
 

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@FloriGlori, Hachibi's physical strength feats do not compare to Killer Bee utilizing his Bijuu's power. Killer Bee with few tails restrained Kurama [ ]. Hachibi Whirlwind does not use speed. It uses great deal of force along with its mass to push at 360. Not to mention, he can use the Bijuu shock wave to push the mud away.​
 

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what kind of stomp match is this?

@ LOL at the restrictions, Bee stomps extremely low diff
 

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Your not a good Jiraiya debater you think he can sense and you aslo think Needle Jizo can stop Amaterasu.
Natural energy in the body give automatic sensing. Naruto said that during pain arc. As for needle jizo, it's true. Remember Amaterasu failed to burn Madara's normal hair when needle jizo's hair are comparable to steel
 

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Killer Bee wins this,,,

-with summonings restrcited,, jiraiya is heavily nerfed,,,and with naruto having no SM clones,,, makes this alot easier for bee,,,
-he simply transforms to Hachibii and nukes them off with a barrage of TBB or a super TBB
 

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FloriGlori changed my mind.

Sage Team takes this.
 

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Hachibi Whirlwind does not use speed. It uses great deal of force along with its mass to push at 360.
Oh my. Of course it does. Force correlates with speed. An example: If you want to thump the table, you have to move your fist down with speed. Moving it down in slow motion won't create any considerable force. Force is dependant on speed.

The same applies to Bijuu Hachimaki: Hachibi needs to spin quickly, or else there isn't enough force. Taking a look at Naruto on the following page is already enough to conclude that Hachibi rotates at high speeds.

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Not to mention, he can use the Bijuu shock wave to push the mud away.
What shock wave are you talking about?

Hachibi's physical strength feats do not compare to Killer Bee utilizing his Bijuu's power.
Hachibi's body is Hachibi's body, its strength is always the same. When Bee fully transforms into (that term should already speak for itself) Hachibi, he simply makes use of its regular body. That supposed difference sounds much like invented.

Killer Bee with few tails restrained Kurama [ ].
Temporarily. Kyuubi easily broke that restraint only one page later, negating this so-called strength feat.

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Not to mention that Orochimaru's serpent could've easily done the same: A way smaller exemplar managed to restrain one of miniature Kyuubi's Chakra arms [ ]; Kyuubi's strength even in that state speaks for itself [ ].



To put it in a nutshell, Bijuu Hachimaki clearly needs speed in order to work; which Bee won't be able to create inside of Yomi Numa. Hachibi's strength, which is less impressive than you're making it out to be, won't make a difference. Naruto might as well follow up with a Rasen Shuriken, thrown straight at Hachibi's head.
 

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Floriglori just shat on this.
 
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