[Discussion] Donquixote Family: All Paramecia!

[24 12 11 to troll]

To some this is probably stating the obvious, but still:

Doflamingo's crew's executives that remain in Dressrosa are all Paramecia users. Even Trebol. As "sticky" isn't a specified natural element or force of Nature it cannot be a Logia, but a Psuedo-Logia esque Paramecia fruit. It effects Trebols body in the same way the Gomu Gomu no Mi effects Luffy's. Luffy turned into rubber. Trebol turned into sticky stuff

-Donquixote Doflamingo: Ito Ito no Mi (String String fruit)

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-Pica: Ishi Ishi no Mi (Rock Rock fruit)

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-Diamante: Hira Hira no Mi (Flap Flap fruit)

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-Trebol: Beta Beta no Mi (Sticky Sticky fruit)

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-Baby 5: Buki Buki no Mi (Arms Arms fruit)

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-Viola: Giro Giro no Mi (Glar Glare fruit)

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-Gladius: Pamu Pamu no Mi (Rupture Rupture fruit)

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-Sugar: Hobi Hobi no Mi (Hobby Hobby fruit)

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-Buffalo: Guru Guru no Mi (Spin Spin fruit)

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-Jora: Ato Ato no Mi (Art Art fruit)

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-Senor Pink: Sui Sui no Mi (Swim Swim fruit)

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-Bellamy: Bane Bane no Mi (Boing Boing fruit)

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Former officer Trafalgar Law: Ope Ope no Mi (Operation Operation fruit)

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So we can assume Lao G, Machvise and Dellinger will have Paramecia Devil Fruits too. We haven't seen them fight properly though.

What kind of powers do you think they might have? What about Corazon?

 

[Tobi98]

Machvise is Zoan and I think Trebol is Logia

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Machvise is Zoan and I think Trebol is Logia

His devil fruit has the same effect on his body as Luffy's does. It changes his body into something else, this doesn't make him a Logia.

 

[Tobi98]

His devil fruit has the same effect on his body as Luffy's does. It changes his body into something else, this doesn't make him a Logia.

Doesn't change the fact Machvise has a tail so is a zoan

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[24 12 11 to troll]

Doesn't change the fact Machvise has a tail so is a zoan

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Hmmm

I've only just noticed that!

I hope he isn't a Zoan... unless he's a spy keeping an eye on Doffy for Kaidou. Then him being a Zoan would be permissible

 

[Dr Strangelove]

Trebols is a logia, get over it.

Regardless nice point, never actually noticed before
Except Trebol is a logia....

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[the nine tails]

what about monet ???

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Trebols is a logia, get over it.

Regardless nice point, never actually noticed before
Except Trebol is a logia....

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ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY WIKI MADE BY REGULAR PEOPLE WITH LIMITED KNOWLEDGE THAT PRESUME THINGS EVEN BEFORE THEY'RE CONFIRMED!

His devil fruit has the same effect on his body as Luffy's does. It changes his body into something else, this doesn't make him a Logia. His DF is a psuedo-logia like Paramecia. Luffy is immune to non-haki imbued blunt attacks. Trebol can probably be hit by blunt objects.

The definition of a Logia is:
A Devil Fruit that grants the users the power to become a natural force or naturally occurring substance without human intervention: produce this SPECIFIED fluid/element and control it.

For Trebol to be a Logia his substance must be specified as tree sap or something like that. Otherwise his fruit is like Magellans (a general poison fruit) as a general sticky stuff fruit...

what about monet ???

Not in Dressrosa

 

[Zorø]

Monet was a logia.....and I think trebol is too.

 

[giostep]

Lol, seems like OP mad that people have proved him wrong about everyone in the family being a parm user. Monet is part of the family even if deceased. She is Logia. So everyone in the family is not a parm user. Also isnt Caribou a logia with the numa muma (swamp swamp) fruit. Techniquely swamp is not a specific element or fluid. Swamps are just based on water, just like blood, or salt water. So trebol can be a logia with the stick sticky fruit. One piece wiki states : Logia is one of the three Devil Fruit types. It is characterized by giving its user the ability to turn into a natural element or force of nature.
Also how can you assume that the people that update one piece wiki are wrong because they are people, who react before confirmation, you just stated sticky sticky fruit to be a parm with no confirmation, you are just as right as they are based on your own definition, so that doesn't help make you more right.

 

[Dr Strangelove]

ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY WIKI MADE BY REGULAR PEOPLE WITH LIMITED KNOWLEDGE THAT PRESUME THINGS EVEN BEFORE THEY'RE CONFIRMED!

His devil fruit has the same effect on his body as Luffy's does. It changes his body into something else, this doesn't make him a Logia. His DF is a psuedo-logia like Paramecia. Luffy is immune to non-haki imbued blunt attacks. Trebol can probably be hit by blunt objects.

The definition of a Logia is:
A Devil Fruit that grants the users the power to become a natural force or naturally occurring substance without human intervention: produce this SPECIFIED fluid/element and control it.

For Trebol to be a Logia his substance must be specified as tree sap or something like that. Otherwise his fruit is like Magellans (a general poison fruit) as a general sticky stuff fruit...

ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY RINNEMAKI A REGULAR PERSON WITH LIMITED KNOWLEDGE THAT PRESUMES THINGS EVEN BEFORE THEY'RE CONFIRMED! :|

You always bring this argument up, I never even remember this being stated in the manga about Logias and nature and all that shizzz....
and even if it was Oda has gone back on his word countless times, Trebol got cut straight in half by an attack from Ussop, he is clearly a logia. His devil fruit just screams logia

A perfect example of Oda going back on his word is with Sabo :|

 

[the nine tails]

Not in Dressrosa

does it matter ??? u said DD family and she used to live there so where is the problem I mean she was DD's nakama wasn't she ?

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY RINNEMAKI A REGULAR PERSON WITH LIMITED KNOWLEDGE THAT PRESUMES THINGS EVEN BEFORE THEY'RE CONFIRMED! :|

You always bring this argument up, I never even remember this being stated in the manga about Logias and nature and all that shizzz....
and even if it was Oda has gone back on his word countless times, Trebol got cut straight in half by an attack from Ussop, he is clearly a logia. His devil fruit just screams logia

A perfect example of Oda going back on his word is with Sabo :|

At least I have an IQ above 5 and use logic instead of relying on presumptuous wikitards. I'm simply going by standard definitions and comparing the similarities between the Gomu Gomu no Mi and Beta Beta no Mi. Sorry you can't comprehend it.

Logias:
Smoke - Naturally occurring without human intervention, bi-product of fire (a major force in nature)
Fire - Naturally occurring without human intervention, a major force in nature e.g. Forest Fires
Sand - Naturally occurring without human intervention, a major force in nature e.g. Deserts
Lightning - Naturally occurring without human intervention, a major force in nature e.g. Storms
Ice - Naturally occurring without human intervention, a major force in nature e.g. Glaciers
Light - Naturally occurring without human intervention, a major force throughout the universe (let alone nature)
Darkness (lack of light) Naturally occurring without human intervention, bi-product of a lack of light (essentially everything we can't see)
Magma - Naturally occurring without human intervention, a major force in nature e.g. Volcanoes
Mud - Naturally occurring without human intervention, a major force in nature e.g. Peat Bogs or Swamps
Gas - Naturally occurring without human intervention, a major force in nature e.g. The very air we breathe
Snow - Naturally occurring without human intervention, a major force in nature e.g. Glaciers etc.

Each and every one beforehand perfectly fits my description without fail. Some fruits confused with Logias do not fit this description. For example:
Poison - Non specified, not a force of nature
Sticky - Non specified, not a force of nature
Rubber - Non specified, not a force of nature (technically Luffy's fruit isn't commonly mistaken, but i'm saying this to prove how simple the concept is)

What if I told you Trebol can stick his body back together? Or what if he is the opposite of Luffy? He would be hit and hurt by blunt objects (as anything sticky would... stick to it without the capability of splitting like a Logia).

Some Devil Fruits have Psuedo-Logia characteristics: e.g.
Baby 5's able to reform herself when she is shattered (logia characteristic: still a Paramecia)
Buggy is freely able to split himself (logia characteristic: still a Paramecia)
Magellan seems to be able to infinitely generate poison (logia characteristic: still a Paramecia)
Pica can assimilate stone (logia characteristic: still a Paramecia)
Trebol can survive after being cut in two (Logia characteristic: still a Paramecia) even though there's a good explanation, you are constantly in denial.

Shall I continue or have I given you enough examples to enlighten you?

Lol, seems like OP mad that people have proved him wrong about everyone in the family being a parm user. Monet is part of the family even if deceased. She is Logia. So everyone in the family is not a parm user. Also isnt Caribou a logia with the numa muma (swamp swamp) fruit. Techniquely swamp is not a specific element or fluid. Swamps are just based on water, just like blood, or salt water. So trebol can be a logia with the stick sticky fruit. One piece wiki states : Logia is one of the three Devil Fruit types. It is characterized by giving its user the ability to turn into a natural element or force of nature.
Also how can you assume that the people that update one piece wiki are wrong because they are people, who react before confirmation, you just stated sticky sticky fruit to be a parm with no confirmation, you are just as right as they are based on your own definition, so that doesn't help make you more right.

I'm only talking about the officers in the Dressrosa arc... Do I have to highlight this in size 7 in the OP?

does it matter ??? u said DD family and she used to live there so where is the problem I mean she was DD's nakama wasn't she ?

I've highlighted where you made your reading error in the OP

 

[Dr Strangelove]

At least I have an IQ above 5 and use logic instead of relying on presumptuous wikitards. I'm simply going by standard definitions and comparing the similarities between the Gomu Gomu no Mi and Beta Beta no Mi. Sorry you can't comprehend it.

Logias:
Smoke - Naturally occurring without human intervention, bi-product of fire (a major force in nature)
Fire - Naturally occurring without human intervention, a major force in nature e.g. Forest Fires
Sand - Naturally occurring without human intervention, a major force in nature e.g. Deserts
Lightning - Naturally occurring without human intervention, a major force in nature e.g. Storms
Ice - Naturally occurring without human intervention, a major force in nature e.g. Glaciers
Light - Naturally occurring without human intervention, a major force throughout the universe (let alone nature)
Darkness (lack of light) Naturally occurring without human intervention, bi-product of a lack of light (essentially everything we can't see)
Magma - Naturally occurring without human intervention, a major force in nature e.g. Volcanoes
Mud - Naturally occurring without human intervention, a major force in nature e.g. Peat Bogs or Swamps
Gas - Naturally occurring without human intervention, a major force in nature e.g. The very air we breathe
Snow - Naturally occurring without human intervention, a major force in nature e.g. Glaciers etc.

Each and every one beforehand perfectly fits my description without fail. Some fruits confused with Logias do not fit this description. For example:
Poison - Non specified, not a force of nature
Sticky - Non specified, not a force of nature
Rubber - Non specified, not a force of nature (technically Luffy's fruit isn't commonly mistaken, but i'm saying this to prove how simple the concept is)

What if I told you Trebol can stick his body back together? Or what if he is the opposite of Luffy? He would be hit and hurt by blunt objects (as anything sticky would... stick to it without the capability of splitting like a Logia).

Some Devil Fruits have Psuedo-Logia characteristics: e.g.
Baby 5's able to reform herself when she is shattered (logia characteristic: still a Paramecia)
Buggy is freely able to split himself (logia characteristic: still a Paramecia)
Magellan seems to be able to infinitely generate poison (logia characteristic: still a Paramecia)
Pica can assimilate stone (logia characteristic: still a Paramecia)
Trebol can survive after being cut in two (Logia characteristic: still a Paramecia) even though there's a good explanation, you are constantly in denial.

Shall I continue or have I given you enough examples to enlighten you?

If I remember correctly, you're the one going into sixth form, i'm the one whose just finished my first year of Uni :|

What you put would be great....if there wasn't Trebols fruit...you just can't admit you're wrong because then so much of what you believe and have posted before would be proven wrong. Since I see you bring this argument up ALOT in the section. You are the one overlooking the fact that Trebols fruit has every single logia characteristic despite one...Picas has been confirmed not to be a logia...Trebols hasn't and has been presumed by most, to be a logia.

You are the one making a huge presumption about this, sorry I upset you because I provided an instance when your theory doesn't work.
Get over the fact that not everyone agrees with you. I respect your opinion, that you think your theory is right, but unless you can provide somewhere stated in the manga what you are saying it is still a theory, nothing else.
Just like my presumption that Trebol has a logia since it fits all of the descriptions.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Paramecia Fruit are classified as they either turn someone into something, or allow them to create something. Trebol can do both of these things, he can transform into his sticky substance, and he can create the sticky substance. This means he is not a Paramecia, he is a Logia, who can create AND become something.

You make the mistake of thinking that Trebol's element is Sticky. That's not true. Trebol's is a Logia that grants him the ability to create and become an unnamed substance, it's probably glue. His fruit is just named the Sticky-Sticky Fruit because his substance is sticky. By your logic, Kizaru and Ace aren't Logias because Pika and Mera are SOUNDS of their elements, and the sounds of an element isn't an element.

Trebol's fruit does not do the same thing as Luffy's because Luffy is a permanent state of rubber while Trebol isn't permanently in his fruit's state, also, Luffy cannot create rubber. Your argument's basis has collapsed, therefore, you have no argument. You lose this one Rinnemaki, plain and simple. Trebol is a Logia, bottom line.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Doesn't change the fact Machvise has a tail so is a zoan

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That tail is just part of his outfit. Law confirmed he is a Paramecia by calling him a Heavy-Weight human, meaning his DF is something that allows him to make his weight a vast amount.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

If I remember correctly, you're the one going into sixth form, i'm the one whose just finished my first year of Uni :|

What's age got to do with it? xD

I was referring to the people on the Wiki having IQ's below 5, not you, sorry for the misunderstanding...

What you put would be great....if there wasn't Trebols fruit...you just can't admit you're wrong because then so much of what you believe and have posted before would be proven wrong. Since I see you bring this argument up ALOT in the section. You are the one overlooking the fact that Trebols fruit has every single logia characteristic despite one...Picas has been confirmed not to be a logia...Trebols hasn't and has been presumed by most, to be a logia.

You are the one making a huge presumption about this, sorry I upset you because I provided an instance when your theory doesn't work.
Get over the fact that not everyone agrees with you. I respect your opinion, that you think your theory is right, but unless you can provide somewhere stated in the manga what you are saying it is still a theory, nothing else.
Just like my presumption that Trebol has a logia since it fits all of the descriptions.

If it weren't for a fruit which doesn't meet the classification criteria and is therefore a different type? Okay then. If Doflamingo can pull his tangible body (or his puppets body) back together with his strings then Trebol can pull his tangible body back together with his adhesive (specifically used for things like this) back together. Notice the word "Tangible".

If memory serves me correctly we all thought Pica was a Logia too until a couple of chapters after he first appeared using his Devil Fruit, right? I'm not getting over that fact because I don't have an issue with that. My issue is the fact people take me for an idiot because they simply do not understand ; at which point I will elaborate on their poor interpretations.

It doesn't fit the description though. As "Sticky" isn't a substance. Nor is it a product of, or itself a force of Nature. There is a easily plausible explanation for how he is still alive after being sliced in two (as a Paramecia). He can "stick" himself back together. If he can stick things to him or people to him then surely he can stick himself back together, and considering it takes about 5,000 nuclear blasts from your balls to be killed in One Piece it's easily possible for Trebol to remain alive and function to stick himself back together.

People only call him a Logia because he was split in half and is later seen alive. You need more than that as evidence. Because going by that logic Pell is immortal.

Another thing I should mention is: He's coated. His clothes and colorscheme do not change when he is a blob. But when a Logia becomes an Element their colors and clothing changes.

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[Dr Strangelove]

What's age got to do with it? xD

I was referring to the people on the Wiki having IQ's below 5, not you, sorry for the misunderstanding...



If it weren't for a fruit which doesn't meet the classification criteria and is therefore a different type? Okay then. If Doflamingo can pull his tangible body (or his puppets body) back together with his strings then Trebol can pull his tangible body back together with his adhesive (specifically used for things like this) back together. Notice the word "Tangible".

If memory serves me correctly we all thought Pica was a Logia too until a couple of chapters after he first appeared using his Devil Fruit, right? I'm not getting over that fact because I don't have an issue with that. My issue is the fact people take me for an idiot because they simply do not understand ; at which point I will elaborate on their poor interpretations.

It doesn't fit the description though. As "Sticky" isn't a substance. Nor is it a product of, or itself a force of Nature. There is a easily plausible explanation for how he is still alive after being sliced in two (as a Paramecia). He can "stick" himself back together. If he can stick things to him or people to him then surely he can stick himself back together, and considering it takes about 5,000 nuclear blasts from your balls to be killed in One Piece it's easily possible for Trebol to remain alive and function to stick himself back together.

People only call him a Logia because he was split in half and is later seen alive. You need more than that as evidence. Because going by that logic Pell is immortal.

Oh, my bad bro xD

And good point about Mingo.

Look at it this way, if Trebols fruit is revealed as a paramecia I will buy you premium, no joke. That's how confident I am he is a logia...everyone can see this post so, if I don't hold my word everyone can spam me U_U
Deal?

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Oh, my bad bro xD

And good point about Mingo.

Look at it this way, if Trebols fruit is revealed as a paramecia I will buy you premium, no joke. That's how confident I am he is a logia...everyone can see this post so, if I don't hold my word everyone can spam me U_U
Deal?

I hope you've seen the last part of that post I just added...

@Rikersalad:

Glue isn't naturally occurring. Nor is it flamable in a solid or liquid state. The only adhesive that is would be slime, which is a living organism. He isn't a Zoan.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I hope you've seen the last part of that post I just added...

@Rikersalad:

Glue isn't naturally occurring. Nor is it flamable in a solid or liquid state. The only adhesive that is would be slime, which is a living organism. He isn't a Zoan.

Paramecia: Either become or create. Not both.

Logia: Create and become. Both.

Zoan: Animal

Trebol can become and create. End. Of. Story. Just means Logias aren't restricted to elements that naturally occur in nature, it was NEVER said Logias have to be something that naturally occurs, you made that up. Sticky substances are found all over the world in the wilderness regardless of human cause or action, so even by your standards, he can be a Logia. Stop trying to argue he's a Paramecia, you're just making yourself look bad.