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1. I have seen people asking if SO6P (Hagoromo) or his brother will appear? or will it be Izuna (Madara's brother) that appears?

2. Is Killer Bee caught up in the infinite/eternal genjutsu?

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1. However, from the look of things, you can hypothesise that it is highly plausible that SO6P's brother will appear if Kaguya appears.

This is because I think he might have used his life to seal Kaguya in the Shinju Tree, since Hagoromo and his brother both sealed Juubi and the God tree; knowing that Kaguya's essence was in the Tree, the brother must have done something.

Also, I think Hagoromo is the related to Uchiha and Senju, while his brother is more related to Byakugan and Uzumaki, So definitely he must have used a seal to ensure that once Kaguya is out, he (being the ultimate sealer) will also appear to try and reseal her again. And Kishi has shown us this through Naruto's 9 tails seal and the fourth Hokage reappearance using Uzumaki based sealing.

2. As for Killer Bee, I think that he is not in the genjutsu, this is because Kishi is very strategic. He showed those tools for a reason and he also showed a picture of Killer Bee being alive with the tentacle trick for a reason.

One thing we know is that according to Killer bee (against Sasuke), he explained that a Jinchuuriki can be awakened from a genjutsu if he has bijuu chakra to disturb the chakra flow.

Also have you guys noticed that Bee has some sort of glasses covering his eyes? kishi might use that as a way of making Bee not get caught up but this might be highly unlikely; so I think the previous reason might be the more likely reason that Bee is not in a genjutsu.

Also, I have a question for all you Naruto fans:
DO YOU THINK KABUTO IS IN THE GENJUTSU??? TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THAT HIS SAGE MODE ALLOWS HIM TO COVER HIS EYES, WHICH MAKES HIM RESISTANT TO EYE-ACTIVATED GENJUTSU, WHICH MADE ITACHI RESULT TO USING THE FORBIDDEN IZANAMI

Kindly backup your answers or hypothesis with a reasonable empirical evidence that might suggest that you answer is true.

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Everyone is caught up in the Genjutsu. After the statement made by black zetsu about sasuke blocking the light with Susanoo means that it is a overwhelming genjutsu.
 

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i think Killer Bee will be the one to show them how to use the ninja tools.

Also, I think Naruto will heal His Dad (Minato) from the lost limbs, and also Hashirama and Tobirama Senju from the piercing!!!

What a battle to come!
 

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Bee and Kabuto are in IT
 

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Everyone is caught up in the Genjutsu. After the statement made by black zetsu about sasuke blocking the light with Susanoo means that it is a overwhelming genjutsu.

Black Zetsu cannot possible see everyone on the battle field, if not he would realise that the Edo tensei shinobis/hokages are not in the genjutsu!

please when you read the manga think more widely and don't just follow what has been said because Kishi is a smart writer and he's trying to create surprises. We the readers know that others might have been resistant to it like Bee or Kabuto.
 

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Bee and Kabuto are in IT

Please can you show any proof to this statement?

It is better to hypothesise that they are not in it since there are some reasons to back this up, rather than just accept that they are in it with no reason except that others are in it
 

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Not sure, Bee is a perfect jin and can disturb his chkra to wake from IT, possibly, but Kabuto is a different story. He knows about IT so he may have activated his snake eys before the jutsu affected him, or he didnt. But i dont think Bee is in the jutsu.
 

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Not sure, Bee is a perfect jin and can disturb his chkra to wake from IT, possibly, but Kabuto is a different story. He knows about IT so he may have activated his snake eys before the jutsu affected him, or he didnt. But i dont think Bee is in the jutsu.

Aha! yeh this is a nice answer, respect! Kabuto should be there from the look of things… the main reason I think Bee is there is because of the ninja tools.

however, it could be used by Hagoromo's brother as well if he happens to come through, since he is supposedly good at sealing as well since we saw those tools with them when they were fighting against Ten tails
 

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Black Zetsu cannot possible see everyone on the battle field, if not he would realise that the Edo tensei shinobis/hokages are not in the genjutsu!

please when you read the manga think more widely and don't just follow what has been said because Kishi is a smart writer and he's trying to create surprises. We the readers know that others might have been resistant to it like Bee or Kabuto.

I don't know what your talking about. There aren't anymore suprises in his manga anymore the last surprise if that was Madara being revealed and Tobi being Obito. Other than that I am more than sure that everyone could see what was going to happen in the story as kishi does leave clues. Now as for speculation and fact I stated what is fact and that is what I am going based on. If you keep trying to wonder whats going on in the series your going to create alternate realities in your mind that don't even fit the manga or storyline for that matter. The reason the statement made by Black Zetsu is extremely relevant is

1. He has always been an extremely shady character even more so than Obito and Madara.
2. He has the knowledge of both Madara and Kaguya.d

With Kaguyas knowledge she would definetly know the true extent of the Genjutsu why? Because she is the first one to cast such a spell. In her timeline she knew that it would control everything regardless of who or what being that entity would be controlled. Now whether or not Susanoo was around during her time is a huge question because she was surprised and yet at the same time confirmed that it blocked the moons light and protected them from the genjutsu. Now if you asked about how Black Zetsu could see the whole battlefield my answer to you is SHARINGAN. Obitos sharingan can see everyone around by the armies chakra alone right? So who is to say that Kaguya cant see them as well? Not to mention the fact she had Byakugan so she understands chakra patterns and would know what a persons chakra would look like after being caught in the genjutsu so it would be a familiar sight for her to see( or black zetsu) to see the chakra being controlled. Also everyone in the battle field and around the world are now connected to the tree aside from Team 7. Your telling me that Madara can connect everyone and everything in the entire world and not notice 2 people?
 

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I believe the only ones with a good chance of not being in that genjutsu are Kabuto and Bee since they both have ways to block gen and can still have a big impact on the story
 

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I don't know what your talking about. There aren't anymore suprises in his manga anymore the last surprise if that was Madara being revealed and Tobi being Obito. Other than that I am more than sure that everyone could see what was going to happen in the story as kishi does leave clues. Now as for speculation and fact I stated what is fact and that is what I am going based on. If you keep trying to wonder whats going on in the series your going to create alternate realities in your mind that don't even fit the manga or storyline for that matter. The reason the statement made by Black Zetsu is extremely relevant is

1. He has always been an extremely shady character even more so than Obito and Madara.
2. He has the knowledge of both Madara and Kaguya.d

With Kaguyas knowledge she would definetly know the true extent of the Genjutsu why? Because she is the first one to cast such a spell. In her timeline she knew that it would control everything regardless of who or what being that entity would be controlled. Now whether or not Susanoo was around during her time is a huge question because she was surprised and yet at the same time confirmed that it blocked the moons light and protected them from the genjutsu. Now if you asked about how Black Zetsu could see the whole battlefield my answer to you is SHARINGAN. Obitos sharingan can see everyone around by the armies chakra alone right? So who is to say that Kaguya cant see them as well? Not to mention the fact she had Byakugan so she understands chakra patterns and would know what a persons chakra would look like after being caught in the genjutsu so it would be a familiar sight for her to see( or black zetsu) to see the chakra being controlled. Also everyone in the battle field and around the world are now connected to the tree aside from Team 7. Your telling me that Madara can connect everyone and everything in the entire world and not notice 2 people?

I don't even know what you are trying to say here, it looks like you are trying to make a point that Kaguya can see everything. yes i know she can see everything, but based on Black Zetsu's speech, he said team 7 survived, however he is talking based on seeing that the susanoo made by Sasuke's left eye shielded them. On the other hand, i am simply telling you that Black Zetsu is not yet Kaguya so he doesn't know or did not mention that even the Edo tenseis survived, which means he can't see the whole battle field.

BTW i know that Kaguya was the first to use the IT jutsu so she has full knowledge of it, however you should ask yourself whether there was edo tensei in her time or Dragon Sage in her time? (just like you observed that she or zetsu was surprised that the susanoo blocked the light).

yes I know Zetsu has the sharingan but that doesn't mean he can see all the way to the other side of the battle field where Bee and Kabuto are (especially even as he was busy looking at team 7). Therefore, even someone like Kabuto might have survived it because he knew about it. Just note that Zetsu doesn't have the Byakugan that Kaguya has yet, so don't take it too far. If he was Kaguya, then I can understand what you are saying, but he is simply just her will for now, ok?
 

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I believe the only ones with a good chance of not being in that genjutsu are Kabuto and Bee since they both have ways to block gen and can still have a big impact on the story

I truly believe this as well, although we will see what happens.

People like AnimusOra are just too blind to see or lack reasoning, as he seems like one of those people that also flamed my post when I said that I believe Kaguya will take over Madara especially when the tree spoke to him and when her image appeared in the IT jutsu starring at every one from the moon instead of Madara.
 

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I don't even know what you are trying to say here, it looks like you are trying to make a point that Kaguya can see everything. yes i know she can see everything, but based on Black Zetsu's speech, he said team 7 survived, however he is talking based on seeing that the susanoo made by Sasuke's left eye shielded them. On the other hand, i am simply telling you that Black Zetsu is not yet Kaguya so he doesn't know or did not mention that even the Edo tenseis survived, which means he can't see the whole battle field.

BTW i know that Kaguya was the first to use the IT jutsu so she has full knowledge of it, however you should ask yourself whether there was edo tensei in her time or Dragon Sage in her time? (just like you observed that she or zetsu was surprised that the susanoo blocked the light).

yes I know Zetsu has the sharingan but that doesn't mean he can see all the way to the other side of the battle field where Bee and Kabuto are (especially even as he was busy looking at team 7). Therefore, even someone like Kabuto might have survived it because he knew about it. Just note that Zetsu doesn't have the Byakugan that Kaguya has yet, so don't take it too far. If he was Kaguya, then I can understand what you are saying, but he is simply just her will for now, ok?

You know what man? I really did not proof read this well enough and I am sorry for that but you did wiunderstand the points I made even though it was not written properly. Pretty much to sum it all down Kaguya's will is her mind and memories are in Black Zetsu. Madara had thought he inplanted his will into black zetsu which he did but at the same time Kaguya was thrown in there as well. Black Zetsu has a great knowledge to know both memories of Madara and Kaguya so im pretty confident he has abilities that Kaguya had but only some.

I really am sorry for the big mess up there man
 

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I definitely know we will see more of the brother, we didn't here about him initially so since kishi added him, he has a role to play. Probably a flashback, slight chance there will be an appearance

Bee is definitely gone, I don't even know why you try to defend him. There is no way he isn't in IT. Kishi left him alive so we don't have to spend an entire goddamn chapter for a flashback and mourn his death. After giving Gai 3ish chapters, there's no way he's gonna dedicate half a month to a relatively unimportant character. We saw him with the same expression as those in IT, he's definitely in IT
 

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Sage's brother's story is cool but bee and particularly kabuto are in genjutsu... bee has a slight chance but if perfect jin was not to be caught then there was no need for kishi to try and hide naruto under sasuke's susano.. it would have been more better display of equality but naruto was hidden so bee should be caught in IT.. and kabuto really has no hope.. why people forget that everyone was asleep under shade in konoha and other villeges and still got caught.. it's not prerequisite to look at moon... you get caught anyway if you don't have rinnegan...

also what about izuna??
 

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You know what man? I really did not proof read this well enough and I am sorry for that but you did wiunderstand the points I made even though it was not written properly. Pretty much to sum it all down Kaguya's will is her mind and memories are in Black Zetsu. Madara had thought he inplanted his will into black zetsu which he did but at the same time Kaguya was thrown in there as well. Black Zetsu has a great knowledge to know both memories of Madara and Kaguya so im pretty confident he has abilities that Kaguya had but only some.

I really am sorry for the big mess up there man

bro no problem man, i understand your point as well, and I took some good ideas from it as well… yeh about Black zetsu, what you said is true because he has always been very dodgy and sometimes I wonder how come he knows so many jutsus and techniques without having an eye technique
 

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Sage's brother's story is cool but bee and particularly kabuto are in genjutsu... bee has a slight chance but if perfect jin was not to be caught then there was no need for kishi to try and hide naruto under sasuke's susano.. it would have been more better display of equality but naruto was hidden so bee should be caught in IT.. and kabuto really has no hope.. why people forget that everyone was asleep under shade in konoha and other villeges and still got caught.. it's not prerequisite to look at moon... you get caught anyway if you don't have rinnegan...

also what about izuna??

hmmm… that's quite a good suggestion but you never know what Kishi can come up with, but we will find out soon!
For Kabuto, I won't be surprised because he arranged with Obito, and we didn't see all of their hidden discussions but we all know that he knew about the plan of IT and obviously he would have had measures to deter himself from being caught up in it.
As for Bee, that is a contestable theory which I am not entirely sure about. Kishi will probably have his indisputable story to back it up if that happens to be the case. However, I only said that about Bee because I was thinking of who will show them how to use the NINJA SEALING TOOLS, but it may well be SAGE's brother that will use it, as I have hypothesised him to be vastly able to use sealing techniques
 
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