[VS] Itachi Vs Sandaime Raikage

[Latios]

Conditions: Both start in base. Itachi is sick and Raikage is edo but can't regenerate.

Location: Madara Vs Kage

Restrictions: None

Intel: Full

Distance: 25 Meters

Intent: Bloodlusted

 

[Beans2]

Itachi wins. Raikage will have trouble battling while avoiding eye contact and Yata mirror theoretically blocks Hell Stab. Maybe a shield of black flames around himself, that should stop the Raikage.

 

[Inert Brian]

No genjutus immunity.

No immunity to totsuka.

I think we know the winner.

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

Beans pretty much summed this one up.

Due to Sandaime's linear fighting style, it'll be nigh impossible to fight without making direct eye contact. He can't afford to look solely at the feet of someone who is extremely fast with godlike shunshin. Itachi should be able to outmaneuver the rampaging giant and fry him with Amaterasu the moment he makes the wrong move.

 

[LuckyMan]

L0L. Let me see if I got this right. You make Sandaime Raikage Edo but then says he cant regenerate. You defeated the whole purpose of that because Edos are only useful for their unlimited chakra and regeneration. Sandaime Raikage essentially has unlimited chakra when put versus any character in the series and he would not need the regeneration benefit of being an Edo because no single attack in (in Itachis arsenal for this case) can hurt him. Might as well make Sandaime Raikage alive. Just wanted to point that out.

I don't see Itachi winning this. Sandaime Raikage will overwhelm him with his Taijutsu especially since this distance is a small 25 meters. With Itachi sick and constantly coughing up blood that gives Sandaime the opening to Hell Stab him and end this.

 

[EdoItachi]

Is everyone forgetting that they have full intel? Raikage isn't just going to run into Amaterasu and he would have no choice but to fight Itachi without looking at his eyes seeing as he would know of Itachi's powerful genjutsu.

 

[Inert Brian]

L0L. Let me see if I got this right. You make Sandaime Raikage Edo but then says he cant regenerate. You defeated the whole purpose of that because Edos are only useful for their unlimited chakra and regeneration. Sandaime Raikage essentially has unlimited chakra when put versus any character in the series and he would not need the regeneration benefit of being an Edo because no single attack in (in Itachis arsenal for this case) can hurt him. Might as well make Sandaime Raikage alive. Just wanted to point that out.

I don't see Itachi winning this. Sandaime Raikage will overwhelm him with his Taijutsu especially since this distance is a small 25 meters. With Itachi sick and constantly coughing up blood that gives Sandaime the opening to Hell Stab him and end this.

"Sandaime Roakage will overwhelm him with his Taijutsu"

So you're saying 3rd Raikage > KCM Naruto & Ay in taijutsu?

 

[Inert Brian]

Is everyone forgetting that they have full intel? Raikage isn't just going to run into Amaterasu and he would have no choice but to fight Itachi without looking at his eyes seeing as he would know of Itachi's powerful genjutsu.

Ay barely dodged Amaterasu, you think the 3rd will?

Itachi doesn't need eye contact for genjutsus.

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

Ay barely dodged Amaterasu, you think the 3rd will?

This.

Not only did Ay barely dodge Amaterasu. He barely dodged Amaterasu under the influence of his max powered shunshin and a forewarning that the technique was coming. Sandaime Raikage has neither at his disposal.

 

[GokuEn]

Itachi got this, 3rd Raikage lakcs the speed to dodge an Amaterasu intel or not

 

[LuckyMan]

"Sandaime Roakage will overwhelm him with his Taijutsu"

So you're saying 3rd Raikage > KCM Naruto & Ay in taijutsu?

KCM is no where near the level of Ay nor his father in taijutsu. How many times will I need to say that fight speed is not movement speed??!! Naruto moves faster than Ay, he does not fight faster than him. The common misconception going around is that Itachi's taijutsu is on par or better than Ays because he fought Naruto in KCM but that is simply not true. Narutos fight speed is slower than his movement speed so with his Sharingan prowess, Itachi kept up with him in a taijutsu scuffle.

Like I said, Sandaime Raikage can overwhelm Itachi in Taijutsu. His Sharingan can't react to a man that killed dozens of shinobi in 1 instant with a single melee attack, meaning he had to literally shunshin to all of them up close to land the attack on them and did it so fast we didn't even see it happen in the panels.

 

[Inert Brian]

KCM is no where near the level of Ay nor his father in taijutsu. How many times will I need to say that fight speed is not movement speed??!! Naruto moves faster than Ay, he does not fight faster than him. The common misconception going around is that Itachi's taijutsu is on par or better than Ays because he fought Naruto in KCM but that is simply not true. Narutos fight speed is slower than his movement speed so with his Sharingan prowess, Itachi kept up with him in a taijutsu scuffle.

Like I said, Sandaime Raikage can overwhelm Itachi in Taijutsu. His Sharingan can't react to a man that killed dozens of shinobi in 1 instant with a single melee attack, meaning he had to literally shunshin to all of them up close to land the attack on them and did it so fast we didn't even see it happen in the panels.

You're overrating 3rd Raikage's taijutsu so badly that it kills me.

Sage Mode Naruto was able to dodge the guy for christ sake ._. Please don't tell me SM Naruto > KCM Naruto in taijutsu.

Movement speed =/= fight speed only applies to FTG aka Minato/Tobirama, if KCM Naruto can move his legs faster he can move his arms faster. FTG is simply teleportation.

 

[LuckyMan]

You're overrating 3rd Raikage's taijutsu so badly that it kills me.

I'm not overrating

You must be registered for see links

Sage Mode Naruto was able to dodge the guy for christ sake ._. Please don't tell me SM Naruto > KCM Naruto in taijutsu.

Against a mindless Sandaime Raikage. Kabuto had completely taken control over his will. Do you really think had he had his own senses he would have just let Naruto do that. He dodged Rasenshuriken from KCM twice in rapid succession. One can't possibly believe he can't dodge the much lower and inferior basic tennis ball size rasengan!! Kabuto does not know the entire extent of his Edos abilities and therefore he did not use Sandaime to his full capacity and the fact that it was all because of plot and all versus threads are non plot. Prime example of this was Nagato. Kabuto had no idea Nagato was a sensory type, he had no idea how Itachi had found him. Not only that but after Planetary Devastation was destroyed, the dust rendered Nagato's vision useless and he got Totsuka sealed. Had Kabuto known Nagato was a sensor he would have avoided the incoming attack but once again, it was all plot. Oh, and the fact that SM Naruto has Kumite, he is in fact better at taijutsu than KCM Naruto.

Movement speed =/= fight speed only applies to FTG aka Minato/Tobirama, if KCM Naruto can move his legs faster he can move his arms faster. FTG is simply teleportation.

No it does not, movement speed and fight speed apply to every character in the series. Let me break it down to you:

Attack Speed: is how fast one is able to attack/fight, meaning how quickly they can react during a fight, and how quickly and precisely they can attack a person. This trait is usually reserved for people who are very capable taijutsu users and can hold their own well in CQC.

Movement Speed: is how fast one is able to move their body from one set location to the other, whether they are physically moving or using something like FTG, its still movement speed.

Take this for example,

When Neji uses 64 Palms he attacks his opponents very small tenketsu at such a pace that the strikes all seem to land at the same

You must be registered for see links

, a speed that requires utmost taijutsu knowledge, speed, precision, and accuracy to perform. Now tell me, do you think Naruto can attack someone 64 times with his bare hands and all the attacks hit at the same time? Can Sasuke swing his sword 64 times so fast that all the slashes hit at the same time? It goes to show that taijutsu specialist normally have superior fight speed to people who do not excell at taijutsu. Naruto and Sasuke might be faster at moving from one place to the next but they certainly don't fight faster than Neji.

Now, the Raikages are taijutsu specialist and like I just linked, fight so fast he killed dozens of people in literally one instant with a single melee attack where he would have needed to go to each of those men individually to attack them up close and personal, yet it happened so fast all we see are the men lying around dead. He moved and it was like a blur. Itachi is not reacting to him.

 

[Inert Brian]

I'm not overrating

You must be registered for see links

Against a mindless Sandaime Raikage. Kabuto had completely taken control over his will. Do you really think had he had his own senses he would have just let Naruto do that. He dodged Rasenshuriken from KCM twice in rapid succession. One can't possibly believe he can't dodge the much lower and inferior basic tennis ball size rasengan!! Kabuto does not know the entire extent of his Edos abilities and therefore he did not use Sandaime to his full capacity and the fact that it was all because of plot and all versus threads are non plot. Prime example of this was Nagato. Kabuto had no idea Nagato was a sensory type, he had no idea how Itachi had found him. Not only that but after Planetary Devastation was destroyed, the dust rendered Nagato's vision useless and he got Totsuka sealed. Had Kabuto known Nagato was a sensor he would have avoided the incoming attack but once again, it was all plot. Oh, and the fact that SM Naruto has Kumite, he is in fact better at taijutsu than KCM Naruto.



No it does not, movement speed and fight speed apply to every character in the series. Let me break it down to you:

Attack Speed: is how fast one is able to attack/fight, meaning how quickly they can react during a fight, and how quickly and precisely they can attack a person. This trait is usually reserved for people who are very capable taijutsu users and can hold their own well in CQC.

Movement Speed: is how fast one is able to move their body from one set location to the other, whether they are physically moving or using something like FTG, its still movement speed.

Take this for example,

When Neji uses 64 Palms he attacks his opponents very small tenketsu at such a pace that the strikes all seem to land at the same

You must be registered for see links

, a speed that requires utmost taijutsu knowledge, speed, precision, and accuracy to perform. Now tell me, do you think Naruto can attack someone 64 times with his bare hands and all the attacks hit at the same time? Can Sasuke swing his sword 64 times so fast that all the slashes hit at the same time? It goes to show that taijutsu specialist normally have superior fight speed to people who do not excell at taijutsu. Naruto and Sasuke might be faster at moving from one place to the next but they certainly don't fight faster than Neji.

Now, the Raikages are taijutsu specialist and like I just linked, fight so fast he killed dozens of people in literally one instant with a single melee attack where he would have needed to go to each of those men individually to attack them up close and personal, yet it happened so fast all we see are the men lying around dead. He moved and it was like a blur. Itachi is not reacting to him.

Kakashi and Hebi Sasuke's sharingan couldn't even read Itachi's hand signs.

Itachi was able to react to KCM Naruto, who I said earlier is faster than Ay himself. Ay himself stated he's the second fastest ninja after Minato. So Ay > His father in speed.

I see what you're trying to say about differentiating between fighting and movement speed, but you still need movement speed. Rock Lee and Itachi both noted even with the enhanced reflexes sharingan gives, you still need the body movement.

You must be registered for see links

Just because they're edos, does not mean their fighting style changes. Look at edo Itachi, he still used deceiving tricks against KCM Naruto with crow clones. It was specifically stated as edo tenseis the jutsu restricts them from betraying Kabuto, it never said they fought as if they were mindless. Does that mean 3rd Raikage would blindly blitz? No, but it doesn't matter whether alive or edo if he went for a 3 finger hell jab. Itachi is dodging it edo or not.

The scan with him killing 12 ninjas instantly is a feat, but that doesn't mean Itachi isn't capable of the same thing. Everyone always posts that scan of Hebi Sasuke blitzing that Orochimaru minion with CM2, yet Itachi shitted on Sasuke in cqc. I also already mentioned above how KCM Naruto reacted to someone faster than the 3rd Raikage, and Itachi reacted to KCM Naruto. Even if 3rd Raikage was faster than Itachi, if Itachi could hold his own against KCM Naruto, he's holding his own against the 3rd. From how you've worded it (could be wrong) the 3rd is destroying Itachi in CQC.

KCM Naruto >= Ay >= Itachi >= 3rd Raikage