Raiton Chakra (cutting) vs. Tsunade's Durability

[TheEvilOne]

Keep up please. Kakashi has completely average durability. Thus by answering the question about Kakashi we get closer to an answer about Tsunade.
And simply in terms of physics. The only way Raikage is lopping something off of someone is when an opposite force is keeping that body part there. If raikage could just lop shit off of people, why didn't he and Oonoki lop of Madara's head and seal Madara?

That said: I think certain Raiton attack can cut through Tsunade. Kakashi and Sasuke come to mind here. I don't think it lies in Ay's arsenal generally.

This is the only logical answer.

 

[Icelerate]

Fuuton and raiton attacks from skilled users of their respective elements can easily slice Tsunade in half. My two favourites especially.

 

[Strict]

If raikage could just lop shit off of people, why didn't he and Oonoki lop of Madara's head and seal Madara?

Why did Madara's Susanoo stab Tsunade several times instead of bisecting her directly? Why did Madara's Susanoo drop Ay after Madara cast his Genjutsu [

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All because of PLOT.

 

[paratise]

Fuuton and raiton attacks from skilled users of their respective elements can easily slice Tsunade in half. My two favourites especially.

Lol

Gated kunai slices doe U_U

 

[Exaar]

You forgot the scan of A cutting through Zetsu's mokuton buddhas arm.

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His raiton easily slices tsunade.

 

[Black Wolf]

You say this isn't a match-up, but in that case the title is misleading, because this isn't cutting raiton vs Tsunade's durability, this is Ay's attacks vs Tsunade's durability :|

I made it pretty clear in the OP that I am referring to A's attack. I linked them all.

OT: Realistically, in a gore free shonen, no character is getting bisected or finished in such manner w/o being able to survive the ordeal. There're multiple examples of this throughout the manga.

We are discussing this in a purely vs. Colosseum scenario. In the manga, a lot of different things would happen to accommodate for things. Characters would pull out new jutsu to cope with certain scenarios that they wouldn't normally be able to in this forum because they lack the feats.

We are not taking those unknowns into account . . . we are dealing with what we have. Many things can happen in plot that we cannot account for here.

Madara's magatamas easily went through Gaara's sand and almost broke through Onoki's golem at the same time, later Tsunade tanked the same attack thrown at her gut with only a mild injury. Does that make her > Gaara's sand and Onoki's golem combined? No.

Evidence that it didn't cut through her abdomen? We see the sword wound nearly closed up when she re-emerges from the dust. Evidence that the Magatamas weren't simply healed from during that interval, given the sword wound, which would have been much worse, was nearly closed up?

Both Madara and Tsunade's discourse specifically references regeneration. Madara doesn't say "impressive durability." He specifically notes her regenerative ability, and Tsunade agrees and attributes her survival to regeneration. Tsunade has never been noted for durability.

From the examples you gave, only one portrays chopping power.
Ay never cut Hachibi's horn, he broke it like a human can brake an apple in half, there's a difference.
Sasuke's susanoo wasn't either cut or broken, he simply bended it and managed to hit Sasuke.

If he broke it, the chop wouldn't have been as clean. It was a chop clean through the other side, on a flat surface - a perfect cut, evidenced by his body being on the opposite side of the horn once it was complete.

Sasuke's Susano'o wasn't broken? Do you not see the fragments flying around the afflicted area?

Finally, regarding the third example. Its true that he was able to cut his own arm, but can he perform the same feat in battle? I don't mean cutting others, i mean performing the jutsu. Because it seems to work similarly to a chakra scalpel, and only the greatest can use it to such level.

Why wouldn't he? It is basic Raiton flow. It isn't on the level of Raikiri, Chidori, or his father's Nukite, but it is still more than capable of cutting through most things.

Its either the above mentioned case or another inconsistency, because, against Madara that would come in very handy, yet he only used punches.

False.

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. It just failed because Madara's was stronger than Sasuke's Susano'o.

Anyway, even if he didn't (which he did, but just to humor you), the problem here is that you are meta-gaming manga scenarios. Saying "a character should have done this" in the manga rarely ever works due to plot. Why didn't Madara ever confirm any of his kills? He could have easily squashed the 5 Kages and made sure they didn't come back, easily made sure Naruto and Sasuke didn't make comebacks after he practically killed them both, easily massacre the last line of defense of the alliance (Minato, Kakashi, Gaara) to prevent them from being troublesome later on during his battle with Gai.

He didn't do any of those things. That doesn't mean he couldn't of - he just chose not to for plot reasons.

Raiton is great for piercing, not ideal to cut through things (that's Futon), yes, it would pierce her just fine, but completely cut through her, no (unless its Sasuke's chidori sharp spear enhanced by Hagoromo's power). This goes for her or any other character.

False.

Kakashi chopped off Zabuza's arm with Raikiri. Sasuke's Chidori Eiso (pre-Hagoromo) chopped off a Hachibi limb. Darui's Raiton flow chopped off Ginkaku's arm. Raikage cut his own arm off with Raiton flow. Kakashi chopped off Bijuu limbs with Raikiri chain.

What does Futon being better at cutting have anything to do with this? We have feats of Raiton cutting on numerous occasions. Just because it is better at piercing doesn't mean it can't cut - all the feats speak for themselves.

Edit: Lol it isn't an inconsistency at all, i forgot a little detail: the AB combo. There's a reason why it exists, and that's because Ay can't cut people like that (possibly no other Raiton user as well seeing as he should be a master at it).

AB combo exists so that the Raikage has a partner that is capable of protecting him and is comparable to him in physical strength - in other words, a dependable tag team partner. It was never "so we can decapitate the opponent."

Both are capable of Raiton flow which in turn is capable of decapitation.

 

[Icelerate]

Lol

Gated kunai slices doe U_U

You mean the kunai with no precision or AoE behind it?

 

[KidGamer65]

You say this isn't a match-up, but in that case the title is misleading, because this isn't cutting raiton vs Tsunade's durability, this is Ay's attacks vs Tsunade's durability :|

OT: Realistically, in a gore free shonen, no character is getting bisected or finished in such manner w/o being able to survive the ordeal. There're multiple examples of this throughout the manga.

Madara's magatamas easily went through Gaara's sand and almost broke through Onoki's golem at the same time, later Tsunade tanked the same attack thrown at her gut with only a mild injury. Does that make her > Gaara's sand and Onoki's golem combined? No.
Its just a plot based inconsistency, logically such attack should've ripped her to shreads (she has proved her above average durability, but still, Gaara's sand is supposed to be a perfect defense, let alone in combination with a rock golem) but it didn't.

From the examples you gave, only one portrays chopping power.
Ay never cut Hachibi's horn, he broke it like a human can brake an apple in half, there's a difference.
Sasuke's susanoo wasn't either cut or broken, he simply bended it and managed to hit Sasuke.
Finally, regarding the third example. Its true that he was able to cut his own arm, but can he perform the same feat in battle? I don't mean cutting others, i mean performing the jutsu. Because it seems to work similarly to a chakra scalpel, and only the greatest can use it to such level.
Its either the above mentioned case or another inconsistency, because, against Madara that would come in very handy, yet he only used punches.

Raiton is great for piercing, not ideal to cut through things (that's Futon), yes, it would pierce her just fine, but completely cut through her, no (unless its Sasuke's chidori sharp spear enhanced by Hagoromo's power). This goes for her or any other character.

Edit: Lol it isn't an inconsistency at all, i forgot a little detail: the AB combo. There's a reason why it exists, and that's because Ay can't cut people like that (possibly no other Raiton user as well seeing as he should be a master at it).

Didn't even read all of this post, but it still made my eyes bleed. Lol, dat BS.

 

[Icelerate]

OT: Ay can slice off her limbs. Suigetsu claimed that if it wasn't for his hydration, he'd have lost his arms when up against the Raikage (

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He won't be able to slice off her body in one go because the force from Ay's chop will send her flying before he can cut her in half completely.

 

[paratise]

You mean the kunai with no precision or AoE behind it?

Minardo said it had precision.
It does not need AoE more than some centimeters. What is a chidori blade's AoE?

 

[Icelerate]

Minardo said it had precision.
It does not need AoE more than some centimeters. What is a chidori blade's AoE?

No Minato said it had nice timing not precision (

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). Chidori sharp spear has a range of 5-10 m and Sasuke can swing it around radially.

Since Lee's been shown wielding a kunai while in gates, I've seen that you've hopped on to the kunai bandwagon. You probably know the truth, blunt hand to hand attacks aren't as effective as cutting/penetrating ones hence why you bring up his kunai feat despite him not being shown to using it in straight up combat, let alone for decapitation.

 

[paratise]

No Minato said it had nice timing not precision (

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). Chidori sharp spear has a range of 5-10 m and Sasuke can swing it around radially.

Since Lee's been shown wielding a kunai while in gates, I've seen that you've hopped on to the kunai bandwagon. You probably know the truth, blunt hand to hand attacks aren't as effective as cutting/penetrating ones hence why you bring up his kunai feat despite him not being shown to using it in straight up combat, let alone for decapitation.

So? He can throw a kunai inbetween targets which are faster than most of NV. Even part 1 Sakura could aim a kunai.

What bandwagon ?
Blunt attacks work fine against many people. But not the ones who have regeneration. He does not have a bad offense, just not the proper one against certain people. He did not have a proper battle for more than 400 chapters. But kunai usage is still apart of his abilities.

 

[Icelerate]

So? He can throw a kunai inbetween targets which are faster than most of NV. Even part 1 Sakura could aim a kunai.

What bandwagon ?
Blunt attacks work fine against many people. But not the ones who have regeneration. He does not have a bad offense, just not the proper one against certain people. He did not have a proper battle for more than 400 chapters. But kunai usage is still apart of his abilities.

Aiming a kunai to throw and using it to decapitate is different. The bandwagon I'm talking about is the one where you admit that Lee has to use a kunai, still an inferior weapon to raiton and fuuton attacks, to beat certain shinobi.

 

[RicardoA]

We are discussing this in a purely vs. Colosseum scenario. In the manga, a lot of different things would happen to accommodate for things. Characters would pull out new jutsu to cope with certain scenarios that they wouldn't normally be able to in this forum because they lack the feats.

We are not taking those unknowns into account . . . we are dealing with what we have. Many things can happen in plot that we cannot account for here.

No objection here U_U

Evidence that it didn't cut through her abdomen? We see the sword wound nearly closed up when she re-emerges from the dust. Evidence that the Magatamas weren't simply healed from during that interval, given the sword wound, which would have been much worse, was nearly closed up?

Both Madara and Tsunade's discourse specifically references regeneration. Madara doesn't say "impressive durability." He specifically notes her regenerative ability, and Tsunade agrees and attributes her survival to regeneration. Tsunade has never been noted for durability.

I never said they didn't cut/damaged her. The point i was trying to make is that while that attack had enough power to do what it did, it couldn't went through and rip her to shreads. It only made an injury which was effortlessly healed from (meaning it wasn't that great because she struggled with grievous injuries at times).
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If he broke it, the chop wouldn't have been as clean. It was a chop clean through the other side, on a flat surface - a perfect cut, evidenced by his body being on the opposite side of the horn once it was complete.

Sasuke's Susano'o wasn't broken? Do you not see the fragments flying around the afflicted area?

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poor aple. Now you might say i'm wrong in comparing an apple with a giant horn. Keep in mind these are drawings, physics don't always apply properly.

Very small fragments only. Nothing that suggests cutting power. He simply had his Raiton Cloak on and his fighting style involves heavy blows all the time, that's one of them.

Why wouldn't he? It is basic Raiton flow. It isn't on the level of Raikiri, Chidori, or his father's Nukite, but it is still more than capable of cutting through most things.

Basic raiton flow should electrify things, not cut them. Plus, Raiton's main strenght and use is based around piercing power.
What he did was more complex than that and he's yet to use something like that against his enemies, which makes me wonder if he's proficient with it in battle.

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. It just failed because Madara's was stronger than Sasuke's Susano'o.

Where's the cutting attack?
He used a chop to crush Madara's susanoo, not cutting power. That's why it cracked and looks smashed, not scratched.
Dunno why you assumed his Raiton Cloak covering his hand was 'cutting Raiton'.

Anyway, even if he didn't (which he did, but just to humor you), the problem here is that you are meta-gaming manga scenarios. Saying "a character should have done this" in the manga rarely ever works due to plot. Why didn't Madara ever confirm any of his kills? He could have easily squashed the 5 Kages and made sure they didn't come back, easily made sure Naruto and Sasuke didn't make comebacks after he practically killed them both, easily massacre the last line of defense of the alliance (Minato, Kakashi, Gaara) to prevent them from being troublesome later on during his battle with Gai.

He didn't do any of those things. That doesn't mean he couldn't of - he just chose not to for plot reasons.

That still constitutes a problem to me given the existence of the AB combo, which erases any doubt about Ay's decapitating power and should subsequently erase any doubt about Ay's cutting power.
If he can't slice a head why should he be able to slice a body?

False.

Kakashi chopped off Zabuza's arm with Raikiri. Sasuke's Chidori Eiso (pre-Hagoromo) chopped off a Hachibi limb. Darui's Raiton flow chopped off Ginkaku's arm. Raikage cut his own arm off with Raiton flow. Kakashi chopped off Bijuu limbs with Raikiri chain.

What does Futon being better at cutting have anything to do with this? We have feats of Raiton cutting on numerous occasions. Just because it is better at piercing doesn't mean it can't cut - all the feats speak for themselves.

Actually Kakashi's Raikiri pierced through Zabuza's edo arm. It simply covered a large enough area to completely detach his arm.
Valid point on Sasuke (she still showed better durability feats than those tentacles).
Raiton flow or storm release? (I don't remember when that happened hmm but i believe you) Those were edo bodies though, who get destroyed everytime they get a chance, she's also better than that.
Valid point on the Raikage (he still never showed cutting attacks in battle).
Valid point on Kakashi.
Wasn't this about Ay though. He never showed anything like that in battle. What's the point in bringing all that up.

AB combo exists so that the Raikage has a partner that is capable of protecting him and is comparable to him in physical strength - in other words, a dependable tag team partner. It was never "so we can decapitate the opponent."

Both are capable of Raiton flow which in turn is capable of decapitation.

When i say AB combo i'm referring to their signature ability. There's a reason why the trials to choose the Raikage's partner involve perfect sintony and the ability to perform the Double Lariat.
Anybody can protect the Raikage, but not anybody can work with him to decapitate someone without giving them time to react.

 

[Black Wolf]

I never said they didn't cut/damaged her. The point i was trying to make is that while that attack had enough power to do what it did, it couldn't went through and rip her to shreads. It only made an injury which was effortlessly healed from (meaning it wasn't that great because she struggled with grievous injuries at times).

It wasn't the same attack; the version he used on Tsunade was a pint-sized version of the one he used against Gaara's sand. Had he used a large one, the damage would not have been healed from as quickly.

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Yes she was what? She survived Mabui's technique via regeneration, not durability. She outright said she will survive via regeneration, and that is shown, where she immediately activates regeneration upon arrival. The Raikage was the one who displayed durability . . . he arrived without a scratch.

As for Kabuto, that is simply thicker surface area that his scalper had to penetrate through, not durability. He misjudged how much he had to put into his scalpel to make it penetrate. We know that

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. He wasn't trying to kill Tsunade, thus why he wasn't using stronger variants and instead opting for weakest possible.

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poor aple. Now you might say i'm wrong in comparing an apple with a giant horn. Keep in mind these are drawings, physics don't always apply properly.

The Raikage did not take one minute and twenty nine seconds to cut off the Hachibi's horns and attacking it from numerous angles to have it break like that. He outright cut it off without the complications in that video.

Very small fragments only. Nothing that suggests cutting power. He simply had his Raiton Cloak on and his fighting style involves heavy blows all the time, that's one of them.

The motion of a chop when imbued with Raiton is by definition a cutting attack. Raiton is a cutting element, and the chop reduces the surface area to resemble cutting.

Basic raiton flow should electrify things, not cut them. Plus, Raiton's main strenght and use is based around piercing power.

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, which is essentially a burst of unfocused lightning, cut through Yamato's Mokuton.

Again, who cares if Raiton's main strength is piercing power? It can cut as well, and that is what I am discussing here. I am not talking about what Raitons main strength is. I am talking about it's cutting capabilities, which we have numerous feats of.

What he did was more complex than that and he's yet to use something like that against his enemies, which makes me wonder if he's proficient with it in battle.

How is it more complex? It was a chop like any other only it had far less power behind it than the one he used to chop through Susano'o and the Hachibi given he had no bodily momentum.

Where's the cutting attack?
He used a chop to crush Madara's susanoo, not cutting power. That's why it cracked and looks smashed, not scratched.

You changed your words. You said Raikage "only used punches."

Regardless, Susano'o being cracked just signifies the chop wasn't powerful enough to cut through. Susano'o isn't pliable . . . if you hit it with a cutting attack that powerful, it will crack.

Dunno why you assumed his Raiton Cloak covering his hand was 'cutting Raiton'.

Because literally all Raiton attacks in the manga have displayed cutting capabilities barring Darui's Kangekiha and Madara's lightning bolts. Raikiri Wolf and Black Panther are featless, so it isn't to their detriment.

All other Raitons have, and I have no reason to believe that the Raikage's chops differ from one usage to another.

That still constitutes a problem to me given the existence of the AB combo, which erases any doubt about Ay's decapitating power and should subsequently erase any doubt about Ay's cutting power.
If he can't slice a head why should he be able to slice a body?

Why are you equating the existence of the AB combo to the Raikage's inability to decapitate someone?

The AB combo was a flashy move whose only purpose was to determine who the Raikage's appropriate partner could be. It was a convenient measure to find a fighter who could put their strength on a level comparable to the Raikage's. The Raikage wanted a partner that could not only adequately protect him but also fight alongside him without hindering his combat ability. The AB combo is merely a confirmation of their comparable strengths.

The fact that the Raikage can kill people without cutting their heads off is more than enough proof that the AB combo isn't his only killing move. This is a guy who can punch through CS2 Jugo, and you think he relies on the AB combo to kill his enemies?

Actually Kakashi's Raikiri pierced through Zabuza's edo arm. It simply covered a large enough area to completely detach his arm.

What are you talking about? Kakashi chopped off Zabuza's arm and then shoved it in his chest. It was two separate movements, otherwise half of Zabuza's torso should have been missing if it "covered a large enough area" to both cut off his arm and pierce him in the heart.

Valid point on Sasuke (she still showed better durability feats than those tentacles).

Tsunade showed better durability than a Bijuu? The same one that was tanking its own Bijuudamas? Tsunade has no durability feats to speak of.

Raiton flow or storm release? (I don't remember when that happened hmm but i believe you) Those were edo bodies though, who get destroyed everytime they get a chance, she's also better than that.

Mistook Darui for Kakashi. Darui chopped off Ginkaku's arm without Raiton flow or Ranton . . . just with a sword.

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Valid point on the Raikage (he still never showed cutting attacks in battle).

Sure he did. He used it on the Hachibi and Susano'o.

Wasn't this about Ay though. He never showed anything like that in battle. What's the point in bringing all that up.

Because you said all Raiton does is penetrate. I am proving that notion wrong by providing you with a plethora of examples showing otherwise.

When i say AB combo i'm referring to their signature ability. There's a reason why the trials to choose the Raikage's partner involve perfect sintony and the ability to perform the Double Lariat.
Anybody can protect the Raikage, but not anybody can work with him to decapitate someone without giving them time to react.

Their signature ability has nothing to do with it being their only option for decapitation.

The whole purpose of the AB combo is for the person to be strong enough to protect the Raikage. To be strong enough to protect the Raikage and be his partner during war time, you would have to be comparable in strength. If the Raikage had to lower down his Lariat strength to the point he was weakening himself, there would be no point. He needed a competent partner he could fight alongside.

There are far more efficient ways to kill people than a double Lariat for both the Raikage and Killer Bee, and they have both displayed those abilities . . . it isn't a hypothetical notion.

 

[Conspirator.]

Raiton easily slices through her. it's a BIG misconception that Raiton can ONLY pierce and can't cut, just because the wind element is more known for cutting.(the reverse is true as well, the wind element can pierce as well). Both wind and lightning can cut and pierce, but the potency of it's ability to do both depends on the skill of the user user. For example, Kisame was almost left with a hole in his head when up against Bee's raiton enhanced pencil, and Kisame said it was surprising that it was more penetrating than a Futon.(which implies it's normally the reverse)

 

[Penguin]

Like butter.

 

[End of Days]

The only way Raikage is lopping something off of someone is when an opposite force is keeping that body part there.

you dont need to hold down the body for bisection or decapitation

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If raikage could just lop shit off of people, why didn't he and Oonoki lop of Madara's head and seal Madara?

because madara was protected by his susanoo when he was fighting them

 

[GodKage]

ration rips her to shreds

 

[RicardoA]

It wasn't the same attack; the version he used on Tsunade was a pint-sized version of the one he used against Gaara's sand. Had he used a large one, the damage would not have been healed from as quickly.

Its a magatama... Either what you're saying its true or Tsunade's durability is being ignored here.
Only Kishi knows, but i don't remember being stated anywhere that the size of a magatama decides its power. Ever.

Yes she was what? She survived Mabui's technique via regeneration, not durability. She outright said she will survive via regeneration, and that is shown, where she immediately activates regeneration upon arrival. The Raikage was the one who displayed durability . . . he arrived without a scratch.

As for Kabuto, that is simply thicker surface area that his scalper had to penetrate through, not durability. He misjudged how much he had to put into his scalpel to make it penetrate. We know that

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. He wasn't trying to kill Tsunade, thus why he wasn't using stronger variants and instead opting for weakest possible.

Mabui blatantly said her body would be "ripped to shreads" assuming she was the average shinobi. And happened to her after teleportation? She got mild cuts randomly around her body. There's a big difference.
If this isn't a display of above average durability i don't know what is. Not being = to the Raikages in terms of durability doesn't mean one isn't durable at all.

That's literally made up, his words are very clear. A normal human would be stopped cold from the lack of breath, then he noticed that was because he couldn't slice deep enough.
He never mentioned "how much he had to put into his scalpel", nothing.

The Raikage did not take one minute and twenty nine seconds to cut off the Hachibi's horns and attacking it from numerous angles to have it break like that. He outright cut it off without the complications in that video.

So? This is a drawn manga, the laws of nature aren't precise and can be ignored. Its not like humans can jump from three to three or spit fire either.

The motion of a chop when imbued with Raiton is by definition a cutting attack. Raiton is a cutting element, and the chop reduces the surface area to resemble cutting.

That's also made up.
Raiton Cloak doesn't allow one to cut. What he had covering his hands (and the rest of his body) was a Raiton Cloak, not this 'cutting Raiton'.
His attacks rely solely on power, it doesn't matter if it resembles a cutting motion, the best he can do with a chop is break bones until shown otherwise.

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, which is essentially a burst of unfocused lightning, cut through Yamato's Mokuton.

Again, who cares if Raiton's main strength is piercing power? It can cut as well, and that is what I am discussing here. I am not talking about what Raitons main strength is. I am talking about it's cutting capabilities, which we have numerous feats of.

You typed even like Ay has got better feats than Sasuke in this area. >_>
There's a reason why it overpowered Yamato's Mokuton, Raiton > Doton (i know he has Mokuton but its a low quality version and the Suiton component doesn't help either). And it wasn't really cut, more like destroyed. Chidori Nagashi doesn't cut, it stuns.

Nobody cares. But this is Ay vs Tsunade in disguise and that's what i'm working with.
Ay never showed nor cutting nor piercing power in battle, that's the problem. If you want to include every Raiton seen throughout the manga, i can stop right here and agree w/o second thought she can be cut with Raiton, but if what we're talking about here is Ay, then i 100% disagree.

How is it more complex? It was a chop like any other only it had far less power behind it than the one he used to chop through Susano'o and the Hachibi given he had no bodily momentum.

It should be more complex than simple Raiton flow though, because its concentrated in a precise area and had to hold enough power to cut his onw body.
The chop he used against Susanoo held absolutely no cutting power behind it though and what happened to Hachibi's horn wasn't the result of a cut.

You changed your words. You said Raikage "only used punches."

Regardless, Susano'o being cracked just signifies the chop wasn't powerful enough to cut through. Susano'o isn't pliable . . . if you hit it with a cutting attack that powerful, it will crack.

I meant raw power, not necessarily punches but mostly punches. We've seen him kick too, whatever. I was trying to make a point on his fighting style.
Random cracks were flying because he smashed it. Link me to a page where Sasuke's Susanoo presents cutting marks. What happened to him was exactly the same that happened to Madara.

Because literally all Raiton attacks in the manga have displayed cutting capabilities barring Darui's Kangekiha and Madara's lightning bolts. Raikiri Wolf and Black Panther are featless, so it isn't to their detriment.

All other Raitons have, and I have no reason to believe that the Raikage's chops differ from one usage to another.

Black Panther isn't featless though (

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"All" doesn't include exceptions which do exist and Ay is one of them (its not even what his character's fighting style is about).
Again, his chop isn't backed up by cutting power.

Why are you equating the existence of the AB combo to the Raikage's inability to decapitate someone?

The AB combo was a flashy move whose only purpose was to determine who the Raikage's appropriate partner could be. It was a convenient measure to find a fighter who could put their strength on a level comparable to the Raikage's. The Raikage wanted a partner that could not only adequately protect him but also fight alongside him without hindering his combat ability. The AB combo is merely a confirmation of their comparable strengths.

The fact that the Raikage can kill people without cutting their heads off is more than enough proof that the AB combo isn't his only killing move. This is a guy who can punch through CS2 Jugo, and you think he relies on the AB combo to kill his enemies?

What's the point of the selection exam though? I'm pretty sure the Raikage can handle himself w/o needing a equal to weaker partner to back him up.
Double Lariat is the main point of the AB combo's existance. Multiple characters have resisted Ay's punches, but how many could handle the AB combo?

What are you talking about? Kakashi chopped off Zabuza's arm and then shoved it in his chest. It was two separate movements, otherwise half of Zabuza's torso should have been missing if it "covered a large enough area" to both cut off his arm and pierce him in the heart.

Are you comparing the width of an arm with a chest? Its not like his hand can cover an entire chest to rip it apart.
I need a link to these "two separate movements", because to me its seems like he just ran his hand through Zabuza's arm then into his chest.

Tsunade showed better durability than a Bijuu? The same one that was tanking its own Bijuudamas? Tsunade has no durability feats to speak of.

Nobody said that. Better than a tentacle, yes. Unless you think Minato's kunai can split her as well.
She does, you just disregard them because you know the true strenght of her survivability lies in her regeneration. That's not a wrong thought at all, but keep in mind that she still needs some durability to back it up, otherwise her regeneration would be quite limited.

Mistook Darui for Kakashi. Darui chopped off Ginkaku's arm without Raiton flow or Ranton . . . just with a sword.

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That's an edo body from a character with unkown durability. Doesn't exactly make Kakashi look astoudingly good.
Notice that it didn't even cut him fully even though the sword has enough size to do such thing.

Sure he did. He used it on the Hachibi and Susano'o.

Those were not cutting attacks though.

Because you said all Raiton does is penetrate. I am proving that notion wrong by providing you with a plethora of examples showing otherwise.

No i didn't, stop doing that >_>
I said that's the element's main point and use.

Their signature ability has nothing to do with it being their only option for decapitation.

The whole purpose of the AB combo is for the person to be strong enough to protect the Raikage. To be strong enough to protect the Raikage and be his partner during war time, you would have to be comparable in strength. If the Raikage had to lower down his Lariat strength to the point he was weakening himself, there would be no point. He needed a competent partner he could fight alongside.

There are far more efficient ways to kill people than a double Lariat for both the Raikage and Killer Bee, and they have both displayed those abilities . . . it isn't a hypothetical notion.

Its the only way both showed to decapitate though. There's a reason why their combo exists and why they never even attempted to decapitate someone. Its not their style and its not a possibility considering their arsenal (which doesn't relly on cutting power).

He needs a competent partner he can fight alongside and perform the AB combo. Because that's a very difficult attack to escape from and if the victim doesn't use a clone (or something else to escape), then its pretty much screwed.
I repeat, don't ignore the selection exam.

What matters here is Ay because Killer Bee has a Jinchuuriki to rely on. Forget about him.
There's absolutely nothing more efficient in Ay's arsenal than decapitation if he really wants to execute his opponent.