[Theory] Kabuto might take a big role from now on

[Mr Hiru]

You must be registered for see links

Kabuto, a bearer of Senjutsu Chakra. He has tremendous sensorial abilities.

You must be registered for see links

Knowledge about the Shodai's Cells.

You must be registered for see links

He had reunited most of the powers of the Sage when he fought Sasuke and Itachi. The Uzumaki lineage powers, and the Shodai Cells.

You must be registered for see links

And he can block eye-contact based genjutsu (IT is this kind of genjutsu, right?).

I don't know if there are too much people thinking about Kabuto being useless at this rate. But I know he wasn't shown between those roots or with Rinnegan patterns.

The common factor of those who have not been caught until now is clear: They own something related to Kaguya at DNA level. Sakura/Kakashi are an exception because they are being protected.

What do you think guys?

 

[Angelic.]

bz would solo him. lol

i would have liked this idea. we'll see. i want to know what the edo kage are going to do too especially if kaguyas coming back...

 

[ObitoRolent]

I don't think IT is eye-contact, it's more of all the light that shines is part of the genjutsu.

 

[nandachikara]

madara was so powerful that sasuke and naruto were having a hard time keeping up...and now come kaguya..i still dont know how kishi intend to do about powerful foes like these guys....they just cant be defeated except plot

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

But then why isn't he with Tobirama?

 

[Mr Hiru]

Infinite Tsukiyomi is a powerful genjutsu that can reach targets even in shadows, due the ambient light produced by the moon, so it just needs people to look into this ambient light to fall into the genjutsu.

Curiously, there is Black Zetsu (Kaguya's Will), Madara (Kaguya's succesor), Sasuke (Kaguya's succesor) that are not being affected. In fact, they spoke about Rinnegan as a "possibility" of immunity, but Black Zetsu doesn't fall into this category, thus expanding the possibility to those who are blood related to her (Black Zetsu is part of the mazou).

Also, there is the fact that slept people don't fall into the genjutsu until they open the eyes. If Kabuto still has these snake eyes which protect him from visual contact and let him use the tongue and ears to sense any movement, he might be of some use.

 

[Angelic.]

do you think thats the reason why the edo arent affected? bc of zetsu sacrifices? what about oro?

 

[davidou]

And he can block eye-contact based genjutsu (IT is this kind of genjutsu, right?).

It is not that kind of genjutsu , its like radio waves that act on every brain living , even cats , even guys who don't see the moonlight...

Kabuto is looking at the moon and doesn't answer Tobirama , he must be under IT.
His infinite experience to escape Izanami can make him able to break that dream , but not his dragon sunglasses...

 

[Mr Hiru]

do you think thats the reason why the edo arent affected? bc of zetsu sacrifices? what about oro?

Can be viewed under that point of view, or maybe because they came from the RDS (A technique that has been proved to be related to the Uzumaki Clan).

Now, in the case of Orochimaru, you got me. That would debunk this theory if I don't find a reasoning behind this case. Good job reminding me about this.

It is not that kind of genjutsu , its like radio waves that act on every brain living , even cats , even guys who don't see the moonlight...

Kabuto is looking at the moon and doesn't answer Tobirama , he must be under IT.
His infinite experience to escape Izanami can make him able to break that dream , but not his dragon sunglasses...

I don't know about that. It was clearly stated that this genjutsu was a "projection" of the Sharingan, meaning that its effects are merely visual (Occam's Razor, using the available data).

PS: Do you know what is ambient light? (I hope this answer your point about radio waves)

 

[davidou]

I don't know about that. It was clearly stated that this genjutsu was a "projection" of the Sharingan, meaning that its effects are merely visual (Occam's Razor, using the available data).

even guys who don't see the moonlight...It's stated in the manga , if you look at how the damyos were trapped , you'll understand that it's not working on eye contact.

You don't just need to close your eyes to counter IT...
And what about Bee's sunglasses?

 

[Draven]

Now, in the case of Orochimaru, you got me. That would debunk this theory if I don't find a reasoning behind this case. Good job reminding me about this.

in oros case he wasnt really edo tensai'ed he was brought back through his curse mark seal so i doubt hes counted as an edo probably why him and not the edokages are affected

 

[davidou]

PS: Do you know what is ambient light? (I hope this answer your point about radio waves)

Yes , what do you want to know about light and waves and electro-magnetism?


I didn't ask a question.


I told you that the effective light of the IT is an invisible spectrum light (manga fact).

 

[Glazebone]

I just want to stress something. We saw that every living being is affected by the IT. Even animals which don't have rational thinking, let alone dreams. So we can deduct that all a person needs in order to fall under the IT is life itself.

Now let's analise the situation:

We now know only 3 groups unaffected by the IT (with absolute certainty): The Edo Hokages, Team Badguys (Madara and BZ) and Team 7. Now we look at each group separately.

The Edo Hokages: One possibility is that the IT cannot be cast on un-living people. As I stated above, all one person needs in order to fall under the IT is life itself. Since the Edo Hokages lack life-force (they are dead) they cannot be affected by the IT.
Other possibility is that the vessels, used for the Edo Hokages, are white Zetsu clones. I personally prefer the first possibility.

Team Badguys: Obviously the caster of the Genjutsu remains unaffected. Hence Madara is already excluded.
Now as to why BZ wasn't affected. Let's note that BZ doesn't actually have a functional body. We are not even certain if he is a living entity or simply Madara's will, manifested. On top of it he needs a vessel (I believe). He is currently occupying the body of Obito (who is more-or-less dead). I myself am not sure as to why he isn't affected but it could be what I stated above - BZ isn't a live being.

Team 7: Pretty obvious. Sasuke's Susano'o blocks all light. He managed to reach Kakashi, Sakura and Naruto seconds before IT took full effect so they were spared.

Now it is my belief that you only require to be touched by the light in order to be affected (again i could be wrong). Why can we see things? Because light bumps into targets and makes them visible. Moonlight is basically light and even shadows are created with light (No light - no shadows). So we can safely assume there is NO possible way to avoid the IT (other than the Perfect Susano'o). Even BZ was surprised that the Susano'o reflected the light completely.

I would like to be proven wrong but I think Kabuto won't be making an appearance soon.

 

[Mr Hiru]

even guys who don't see the moonlight...It's stated in the manga , if you look at how the damyos were trapped , you'll understand that it's not working on eye contact.

You don't just need to close your eyes to counter IT...
And what about Bee's sunglasses?

Ambient light, man. Even if you don't see the moon during the night, you can still see the ambient light. That's how you can identify objects surrounding you when there is no electricity. That's what I understood from IT. In the case of Bee, obviously his glasses are not enough. But Kabuto is different, he also has Kaguya's DNA inside, and he can use Senjutsu.

in oros case he wasnt really edo tensai'ed he was brought back through his curse mark seal so i doubt hes counted as an edo probably why him and not the edokages are affected

No, but his technique of Living Corpse Reanimation let him take over a Zetsu body. I have to analyze this case.

I just want to stress something. We saw that every living being is affected by the IT. Even animals which don't have rational thinking, let alone dreams. So we can deduct that all a person needs in order to fall under the IT is life itself.

Now let's analise the situation:

We now know only 3 groups unaffected by the IT (with absolute certainty): The Edo Hokages, Team Badguys (Madara and BZ) and Team 7. Now we look at each group separately.

The Edo Hokages: One possibility is that the IT cannot be cast on un-living people. As I stated above, all one person needs in order to fall under the IT is life itself. Since the Edo Hokages lack life-force (they are dead) they cannot be affected by the IT.
Other possibility is that the vessels, used for the Edo Hokages, are white Zetsu clones. I personally prefer the first possibility.

Team Badguys: Obviously the caster of the Genjutsu remains unaffected. Hence Madara is already excluded.
Now as to why BZ wasn't affected. Let's note that BZ doesn't actually have a functional body. We are not even certain if he is a living entity or simply Madara's will, manifested. On top of it he needs a vessel (I believe). He is currently occupying the body of Obito (who is more-or-less dead). I myself am not sure as to why he isn't affected but it could be what I stated above - BZ isn't a live being.

Team 7: Pretty obvious. Sasuke's Susano'o blocks all light. He managed to reach Kakashi, Sakura and Naruto seconds before IT took full effect so they were spared.

Now it is my belief that you only require to be touched by the light in order to be affected (again i could be wrong). Why can we see things? Because light bumps into targets and makes them visible. Moonlight is basically light and even shadows are created with light (No light - no shadows). So we can safely assume there is NO possible way to avoid the IT (other than the Perfect Susano'o). Even BZ was surprised that the Susano'o reflected the light completely.

I would like to be proven wrong but I think Kabuto won't be making an appearance soon.

I like these possibilities being the case, and it's good to count with you for the brainstorming.

I'd like to add that every object we see in the night when there is no electricity can be viewed thanks to the reflection of the light in each object. So I think IT works this way. Take in mind that BZ doesn't have a Rinnegan, so Sasuke's theory isn't precisely correct.

 

[davidou]

he also has Kaguya's DNA inside

Yeah man , you jump to conclusion very fast.

When you are sleeping indoor with your eyes close , there is almost no visible light that goes in your eyes.

 

[Glazebone]

Yeah man , you jump to conclusion very fast.

When you are sleeping indoor with your eyes close , there is almost no visible light that goes in your eyes.

I just want to point out one thing. The only (physically possible way) to block all light is to confine yourself in a cube. 6 walls with no windows and no doors (even small cracks can be pierced by light). Ever been locked in a toilet and the power suddenly goes out? Try finding the toilet paper.
So unless every human being on the planet used Earth Style: Cube of 6 Wall Salvation, they are pretty much under the influence of IT.

 

[Draven]

No, but his technique of Living Corpse Reanimation let him take over a Zetsu body. I have to analyze this case.

actually if you go back to chapter 593 and read it again orochimaru was summoned by using a bit of kabutos modified flesh and combining it with Ankos curse seal and doing a reverse of what kakashi did to sasukes curse seal to release it

only ones that were edo'ed by using zetsus were the kages check it out youll see it dude

 

[Mr Hiru]

I just want to point out one thing. The only (physically possible way) to block all light is to confine yourself in a cube. 6 walls with no windows and no doors (even small cracks can be pierced by light). Ever been locked in a toilet and the power suddenly goes out? Try finding the toilet paper.
So unless every human being on the planet used Earth Style: Cube of 6 Wall Salvation, they are pretty much under the influence of IT.

...beautifully said. That's how humans can see through the gloom. The answer is "reflected light". Of course, there are objects that can almost completely reflect it, and there are others that absorbs it (specially those that are darker).

 

[davidou]

I just want to point out one thing. The only (physically possible way) to block all light is to confine yourself in a cube. 6 walls with no windows and no doors (even small cracks can be pierced by light). Ever been locked in a toilet and the power suddenly goes out? Try finding the toilet paper.
So unless every human being on the planet used Earth Style: Cube of 6 Wall Salvation, they are pretty much under the influence of IT.

That's not right.

Your cube has walls , light go through walls (a part of the invisible spectrum).


In a standard bedroom , when your eyes are closed , you see 0.00000% of the visible light that is outside.

Countering IT has to be harder than making a huge cube , or go hid in a cave.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Yeah man , you jump to conclusion very fast.

How do you think then, that he manage the get Shodai Cells knowledge? He doesn't have Kaguya's DNA per se, Kabuto got the Shodai's DNA (a succesor of Kaguya).