[Theory] Naruto won't kill Madara.

[Ventuis]

This is crazy I know...but here me out.

Naruto, back in the Pain arc, was shown to the fact that killing someone, isn't always the best option. This was shown in the same arc with Nagato being spared.

Now you might be like, "What do you mean? Of course Madara's gonna die." This isn't true. If anything, Sasuke is going to kill him, not Naruto. If not, Madara will be sealed in the gourd by Naruto and Sasuke, not TenTen.

Another point to add is this, in the Tales of a Gutsy Shinobi book by Jiraiya, it said that killing someone will cause their followers to attack as well. Madara has followers, Black and White Zetsu, and some possible allies we don't know about yet. If the alliance doesn't kill Black and White Zetsu, then they will attack and try to unseal Madara.

Long story short, if Naruto kills Madara, it will go against everything Minato, Jiraiya, and Nagato have taught Naruto. If Madara does get defeated, it will either be by Sasuke's hand, or the Gourd.

 

[Mypower]

Nice perspective

 

[DaileyM]

I thought this was pretty obvious.

Nice thread though.

 

[Mellow]

Hes gonna pull a Goku

*Naruto out on the floor and madara is crawling away*
*sasuke goes to deal a final chidori to madara*
Naruto- "SASKAYYYYY DONT I WANT TO FIGHT HIM AGAIN IN THE FUTURE!"

 

[Genjin]

They can't kill Madara unless Kishi does an @sspull. In order to defeat Madara, they have to seal him.

 

[TRE MERCER]

He(Naruto) finished Obito Sasuke will most likly defeat Madara or give him the finale blow.

 

[The Amazing Spider Man]

I agree but Madara has no followers so I think if Naruto did kill him it would be fine.

 

[Angelic.]

madara is immortal, saaskeh will tnj him in his mind :[

 

[Ventuis]

madara is immortal, saaskeh will tnj him in his mind :[

I don't really think Madara's immortal...I believe he's just so cocky at this point he thinks he is.

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

i can see where you're coming from but, some battles/enemies are difficult/cannot be convinced/no options hmm

Madara has no significant followers (if there're any) so the so called cycle of hatred doesn't apply to his situation.

as for what Jiraiya and Minato taught Naruto, like i said some opponents must be stopped (permanently), the same way Jiraiya was trying to KILL Nagato/leader of the Akatsuki and the same can be said about Minato in his fight against Obito/the masked man.

 

[KRZYNASTY]

Hardly see death as an option to stop Madara.

He'll be defeated by the Sage's tools and all will be at peace with the Naruto world.

 

[conradoserpa]

I still wait for an enemy for Naruto that can't be helped. This is pretty much the ultimate lesson for him.

I hope it's Madara, since this manga is going way too long already

 

[JCW]

I think it was slightly obvious that its

Madara<;sasuke
Naruto>;kaguya
Naruto<:>sasuke

In that order

 

[Ventuis]

I think it was slightly obvious that its

Madara<;sasuke
Naruto>;kaguya
Naruto<:>sasuke

In that order

I'm not necessarily talking about power in this thread. I'm talking about opportunities. If Naruto has an opportunity to kill Madara, he won't. If Sasuke did, he would take it. That's just how Naruto and Sasuke are.

 

[Blackwatch]

I'm not necessarily talking about power in this thread. I'm talking about opportunities. If Naruto has an opportunity to kill Madara, he won't. If Sasuke did, he would take it. That's just how Naruto and Sasuke are.

He wouldn't either, he'll be stopped by plot just like how he stopped in his tracks when he charged Obito. There's a reason Naruto and Sasuke can't kill anybody, it's to keep their hands clean of all that. Look at who they "killed"

Naruto:
Haku - Ran to protect Zabuza at the last second
That Sand Ninja Itachi used as a clone vessel - Already dead
Kakuzu - Rasen-Shuriken blasted all his fake hearts, but Kakashi got the killing blow
Pain bodies - All reanimated corpses
Nagato - Killed himself with Rinne Tensei
Obito - Gedo Mazo saved him


Sasuke:
Deidara - nuked himself
Danzo - His reverse tetragram seal killed him
Itachi - Threw the fight and died from his sickness
Kabuto - Itachi wouldn't let him kill the dude
Obito - Kakashi halted his assault with words

Neither has killed anybody and they never will.

 

[Brinty]

Kakashi and Sakura will kill him lbr! Can't wait!

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[NaruSasuRival]

The OP is wrong. Sometimes, before you post a thread, you need to consider all the angles of the problems:

1. Counter example 1: Hashirama vs Madara

- Hashirama beat Madara many time without killing him (before the first battle)
- Madara, being defeated, almost got Hashirama kill himself for the sake of peace

yet, a time came, and Hashirama knew he had to finish Madara because he was to far away from redemption


2. Counter example 2

Madara's followers are not humans. They will be good target for practicing new Jutsus. In fact, Naruto is used to toasting Zetsus. Try to review the war arc to see how many zetsu he killed so far.

3. Concluding remark: The Sasuke-Naruto pairing is a fantasy in some people's mind

Yeah, I think some people are way out of the league of fanboyism. I am myself a fanboy, but let deal with it. I don't mind if Sasuke become the hero of the series. I don't mind if he is the one to beat Madara or give the final blow. What I am sick of is to see that some fanboys act like they will die if their character does not do specific things. Specifically, I have noticed that Sasuke fanboys are so scare that Naruto beats the crap out of Madara, that they keep making thread where they present Naruto and Sasuke as is they were fused. I mean, it is as if Naruto cannot do anything without Sasuke, or if the world will end for those fanboys if Naruto does something without Sasuke.

Let me finish it. Madara is not Obito uchiha who was good and went through manipulation. Madara had had many lives of battle and he knows exactly what he is doing. Actually, people should understand something. That is current Naruto will never get jealous of Sasuke. However, Sasuke can still be jealous of Naruto because he never explicitly acknowledge Naruto's power.

Thus, Kishi is setting up the perfect scene to make Sasuke bow before the owner of the manga. Whether people believe of not, be it some fanboys who have spent their time talking trash on Naruto or not; I predict Naruto has more mysteries to show that Uchiha Sasuke. Yes, I placed the Uchiha in bold so that you can see that the power Sasuke has is commonplace at this time in the manga. This battle is still a joke, and this is why Sasuke is still in the game. After the joke, there will still be a serious showdown.

Believe it! It will end in a battle of gods, and there are only two gods out there: Naruto and whoever is giving a crapy Kaguya like face.

 

[MysticLeviathan]

This is crazy I know...but here me out.

Naruto, back in the Pain arc, was shown to the fact that killing someone, isn't always the best option. This was shown in the same arc with Nagato being spared.

Now you might be like, "What do you mean? Of course Madara's gonna die." This isn't true. If anything, Sasuke is going to kill him, not Naruto. If not, Madara will be sealed in the gourd by Naruto and Sasuke, not TenTen.

Another point to add is this, in the Tales of a Gutsy Shinobi book by Jiraiya, it said that killing someone will cause their followers to attack as well. Madara has followers, Black and White Zetsu, and some possible allies we don't know about yet. If the alliance doesn't kill Black and White Zetsu, then they will attack and try to unseal Madara.

Long story short, if Naruto kills Madara, it will go against everything Minato, Jiraiya, and Nagato have taught Naruto. If Madara does get defeated, it will either be by Sasuke's hand, or the Gourd.

And this is why these types of massacres will keep happening. If you don't step your foot down and prove a point by saying what he's doing is wrong by executing him, people will have no reason to stop these horrible massacres. If you've ever seen the movie Hero, the way the emperor handled Jet Li's character is the absolute right way in my opinion. There's no point of rules if they aren't followed. The entire Akatsuki organization was in the bingo book, and rightfully so, so they should be executed along with their crimes. Same with Sasuke. This whole pussified idealistic bullshit is what I really hate about Naruto.

 

[Naruto.]

And this is why these types of massacres will keep happening. If you don't step your foot down and prove a point by saying what he's doing is wrong by executing him, people will have no reason to stop these horrible massacres. If you've ever seen the movie Hero, the way the emperor handled Jet Li's character is the absolute right way in my opinion. There's no point of rules if they aren't followed. The entire Akatsuki organization was in the bingo book, and rightfully so, so they should be executed along with their crimes. Same with Sasuke. This whole pussified idealistic bullshit is what I really hate about Naruto.

You're just cheapening what Jiraiya, Shisui, etc..stood for by calling it "pussified idealistic bullshit"..you know recently there was a headline that a mother spared her son's killer. What would she gain by killing her son's killer? Would her son come back? No.
The quality of forgiving someone is very hard to come about. Naruto wanted to kill Haku before and didn't hesitate, however, as he grew up, he embraced the difficulties he faced, and started forgiving people. He wanted to kill Pein too, however, he knew that killing Pein wouldn't bring the casualties back.

Madara's case is entirely different. He's killed like shitloads of ninjas.
Forgiving him wouldn't do shit, as that would be very very minor. And killing him wouldn't solve anything, as I said, the casualties wouldn't come back.
There are 2 options:

1) He brings back everyone he killed with Rinne Tensei. However, that would cheapen the tons of sacrifices in the war.

2) He gets sealed. Before getting sealed, he realizes his actions, his folly and then his soul gets sealed for eternity. The war has already united the 5 nations, so I guess, peace would be maintained.

Humans have no rights to take another human's life, unless in extreme cases like terrorists and rapists. They must be exterminated, because they're brainwashed killing machines, and keeping them in jail wouldn't solve shit, as they still carry out operations while still in prison.

Killing rapists, would induce a fear in the people to not rape other humans. They would think twice before doing anything.

Edit: Plus, you're forgetting this is a Shonen manga targeted towards young teens. If it were something adult like a Seinen, then there would be more deaths, more bloodshed and less of Naruto's, "dattebayo"..

 

[MysticLeviathan]

You're just cheapening what Jiraiya, Shisui, etc..stood for by calling it "pussified idealistic bullshit"..you know recently there was a headline that a mother spared her son's killer. What would she gain by killing her son's killer? Would her son come back? No.
The quality of forgiving someone is very hard to come about. Naruto wanted to kill Haku before and didn't hesitate, however, as he grew up, he embraced the difficulties he faced, and started forgiving people. He wanted to kill Pein too, however, he knew that killing Pein wouldn't bring the casualties back.

Madara's case is entirely different. He's killed like shitloads of ninjas.
Forgiving him wouldn't do shit, as that would be very very minor. And killing him wouldn't solve anything, as I said, the casualties wouldn't come back.
There are 2 options:

1) He brings back everyone he killed with Rinne Tensei. However, that would cheapen the tons of sacrifices in the war.

2) He gets sealed. Before getting sealed, he realizes his actions, his folly and then his soul gets sealed for eternity. The war has already united the 5 nations, so I guess, peace would be maintained.

Humans have no rights to take another human's life, unless in extreme cases like terrorists and rapists. They must be exterminated, because they're brainwashed killing machines, and keeping them in jail wouldn't solve shit, as they still carry out operations while still in prison.

Killing rapists, would induce a fear in the people to not rape other humans. They would think twice before doing anything.

Edit: Plus, you're forgetting this is a Shonen manga targeted towards young teens. If it were something adult like a Seinen, then there would be more deaths, more bloodshed and less of Naruto's, "dattebayo"..

I disagree completely with you on this. And to your last point, that's the problem I have with shonen. I love the goofy comedy, but i hate the idealistic bullshit. It's not easy to find a series that has the cruel reality of the world you get in seinen with the light-hearted comedy you get in shonen.

Killing doesn't bring people back, but it brings closure. It's one thing for the mother to want to kill the family of her son's killer as payback, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the mother killing her son's killer and only her son's killer to not only get closure, but to bring the same fate her son received to her killer. It's simple eye for an eye.

You're acting like I'm cheapening the feelings of people like Jiraiya and Shusui, but they were cheap to begin with. Just look at the real world and understand there will never be true peace. There may be lengthy periods of peace, but at some point there will be conflict. And sometimes it's nobody's fault. Perhaps you have an awful earthquake that displaces a half million people, and conflict comes from that. The mindset shouldn't be world peace, the mindset is to create as little conflict as possible and do the best to set the next generation up to have a village that has minimal conflict.

To me, instead of doing what Naruto's doing, Naruto should be taking the reins as hokage and creating peace from the power he has. That's the only way it'll work. Naruto has to put aside his emotional feelings and set firm rules and boundaries. He should execute Sasuke,Orochimaru, and Kabuto along with anyone affiliated with the akatsuki. It's even easier for Naruto since he's so much more powerful than the rest of the konoha shinobi, and I think it was total bullshit to give Sasuke any kind of powerup.

The only way to create peace is to make it yourself, you can't just talk it out. That's how you end up getting stabbed in the back. Set a firm foot down and don't **** it all up the way Hiruzen did. It's that simple, but even then, there will be conflict. That's why it's Naruto's job as leader to keep things under control. A benevolent monarch/dictator is the type of rule in any society, especially when the ruler is far more powerful than anyone else, ie Naruto as a jinchuriki. And you'd hope you can unite the warring states the way Qin did in ancient China. Just this idealistic nonsense is just asking for trouble.