How would itachi have handled rinnegan

[VongolaX]

1. But it's still too much to assume that Obito has the chakra level of someone like Madara.

2. Chakra comes from stamina. It is clear from what it showed.

No stamina mean no chakra, more stamina means more chakra.

Yes taijutsu uses stamina so? And that doesn't matter anyway because Gai's jutsus are the results of fluid pressure. There's nothing to be absorbed to begin with.

1. It's too much to assume that Obito has Madara's level of chakra?

You do realize that only Madara/Hashirama's level of chakra can accomplish what Obito did?

Obito fought in the war for a day and a half straight.

No one has shown that level except for Madara and Hashirama 0_o

2. Chakra does not come from stamina, their different names for a reason.

Where in the scan does it state that chakra is stamina?

Where?

Ebisu clearly stated that taijustu is 100% and no chakra for the most part.

When lee is using leaf whirlwind etc, that's not chakra....IT'S STAMINA.

Genjustu and ninjustu uses both stamina and chakra

If you have chakra and no stamina, you're fatigued and can barely use your chakra and high level Justus (Itachi pulling out a Justu before death)


If you have intense stamina and low-pretty good chakra, you can keep durability of your Justu (limited on which one) and fight with taijustu after being physically exhausted. ( deva paths ct/naruto using the kyuubi chakra cloak to protect the alliance).

You die if you lose both chakra and stamina.

 

[VongolaX]

That's just an assumption.

And Itachi can't even handle double Rinnegan if even Obito with Senju cells can't handle them.

Only Madara can handle the double rinnegan

Obito couldn't handle the rinnegan because it would lose his mind.

If Obito neglected that, he will be better than any other shinobi besides Madara.

With one eye he is already better than everyone besides Madara.

 

[VongolaX]

1. Ems gives power to control biju that only madara has it supposedly at that time. Obito overcome that with senju pills. Obito with his escape no jutsu can only convince people he's a powerless handicapped madara who couldn't do anything on his own which obito admitted at kage summit

More fanfics dude

He wasn't able to take out the 5 nation with the power he had at the time :|

For a guy who beat 1/5 of the great 5 nation, it really makes this reply pointless.

 

[TrollKing]

More fanfics

He wasn't able to take out the 5 nation with the power he had at the time :|

For a guy who beat 1/5 of the great 5 nation, it really makes this reply pointless.

Why he couldn't? I said it clearly as manga did already. He took out 1/5 great nation? You counting the 6 tails beasts too?? I'm speaking straight from manga while what you saying never happened nor implied in manga unless you giving obito the power of the tail beastsss and the edo.

And I don't remember how many flies he hurt with madara eye which already retrieved by its rightful owner as it foreshadowed

 

[Apêx1]

Yata with PS>Kaguya.

 

[TrollKing]

Yata with PS>Kaguya.

Kunai to the neck >>> kaguya

 

[shelke]

Sasuke's pants-drop >>>> Kaguya. They need to throw this in. She'll just be THAT hoe-feather he's missing in his Pimp cap.

 

[-ahhimane-]

Obito couldn't handle two rinnegans. What difference would make in case of Itachi?

 

[mohdzarif]

1. It's too much to assume that Obito has Madara's level of chakra?

You do realize that only Madara/Hashirama's level of chakra can accomplish what Obito did?

Obito fought in the war for a day and a half straight.

No one has shown that level except for Madara and Hashirama 0_o

2. Chakra does not come from stamina, their different names for a reason.

Where in the scan does it state that chakra is stamina?

Where?

Ebisu clearly stated that taijustu is 100% and no chakra for the most part.

When lee is using leaf whirlwind etc, that's not chakra....IT'S STAMINA.

Genjustu and ninjustu uses both stamina and chakra

If you have chakra and no stamina, you're fatigued and can barely use your chakra and high level Justus (Itachi pulling out a Justu before death)


If you have intense stamina and low-pretty good chakra, you can keep durability of your Justu (limited on which one) and fight with taijustu after being physically exhausted. ( deva paths ct/naruto using the kyuubi chakra cloak to protect the alliance).

You die if you lose both chakra and stamina.

1. 1 and a half day continously? Are you f**kin serious? :| Seriously No. Obito met with Naruto and Bee on the second day (the current day in NV) somewhere around the afternoon it seems.

Before Obito's mask is broken, when Obito started the awakening of the Juubi, the sky was darked already. And times flows slowly in NV. Maybe like 2 hours after the mask was broken, he became the Juubi Jin, which replenished all his chakra.

Before becoming a Juubi Jin, he fought for not even a half-day.

2.

Chakra comes from stamina. Can't you see the diagram?

Stamina - Physical and spiritual energy unmixed

Chakra - Formed when you mix the 2 energies

Please look at it carefully.

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Also this one sentence:
"Naruto in a state where he built up his chakra to 30% from stamina, stamina remaining 70%"

Only Madara can handle the double rinnegan

Obito couldn't handle the rinnegan because it would lose his mind.

If Obito neglected that, he will be better than any other shinobi besides Madara.

With one eye he is already better than everyone besides Madara.

I'm not really sure about whether he will just losing his mind or simply he can't control it...

But I've nothing against Obito. I'm just countering Itachi fans' claims.

 

[VongolaX]

Why he couldn't? I said it clearly as manga did already. He took out 1/5 great nation? You counting the 6 tails beasts too?? I'm speaking straight from manga while what you saying never happened nor implied in manga unless you giving obito the power of the tail beastsss and the edo.

And I don't remember how many flies he hurt with madara eye which already retrieved by its rightful owner as it foreshadowed

The mist village

He control the Sanbi and it's kage jinchuuriki, while making it the birth spot of akatsuki.

He ruled it behind the shadows, and is most likely responsible for killing yagura (perfect jinchuuriki).

The mist village is one of the 5 great nations next to the leaf, cloud, rock, and sand villages.

With the power of the tail beast, he would easily wipe out everyone.

He barely used Madara's eyes, only to control 7 bijuus with Gedo mazou.

And that alone only Madara/The Sage has proven to do that....

No one else with the rinnegan can do that.

 

[TrollKing]

The mist village

He control the Sanbi and it's kage jinchuuriki, while making it the birth spot of akatsuki.

He ruled it behind the shadows, and is most likely responsible for killing yagura (perfect jinchuuriki).

The mist village is one of the 5 great nations next to the leaf, cloud, rock, and sand villages.

With the power of the tail beast, he would easily wipe out everyone.

He barely used Madara's eyes, only to control 7 bijuus with Gedo mazou.

And that alone only Madara/The Sage has proven to do that....

No one else with the rinnegan can do that.

You simply denying what obito said in kage summit that he's just a cheap imitation of madara or rather you actually giving point that he had to use tricks like kipnapping and "do it in the shadow" or he couldn't succeed

In kage summit. He obviously couldnt take on 5 kages, he actually hope sasuke able to do the job and help him capture 5 kages. His escape no jutsu is the best defense, but apparently can't take them on except escaping with sasuke

 

[VongolaX]

1. 1 and a half day continously? Are you f**kin serious? :| Seriously No. Obito met with Naruto and Bee on the second day (the current day in NV) somewhere around the afternoon it seems.

Before Obito's mask is broken, when Obito started the awakening of the Juubi, the sky was darked already. And times flows slowly in NV. Maybe like 2 hours after the mask was broken, he became the Juubi Jin, which replenished all his chakra.

Before becoming a Juubi Jin, he fought for not even a half-day.

You're f*cking joking right? :|

In day two morning, Obito fought bee and naruto.

He fought until night time which was when his mask finally broke.

^^That was a whole day itself

2.

Chakra comes from stamina. Can't you see the diagram?

Stamina - Physical and spiritual energy unmixed

Chakra - Formed when you mix the 2 energies

Please look at it carefully.

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Also this one sentence:
"Naruto in a state where he built up his chakra to 30% from stamina, stamina remaining 70%"

I'm not really sure about whether he will just losing his mind or simply he can't control it...

But I've nothing against Obito. I'm just countering Itachi fans' claims.

Exactly, stamina is either physical energy or spiritual energy

The aura when using the gates, naruto's yellow yellow cloak, and (possibly) Susanoo

Look at when the god tree was absorbing the alliance chakra.

It didn't absorb the yellow kyuubi cloak, because it was physical energy.

It's raw.

So as long as both are seperate, it is NOT chakra.


3. You implieed that even Obito who has senju DNA couldn't control the rinnegan.

Which is wrong, he can control the rinnegan but not himself.

He has the chakra for it, he was astonished how much chakra the rinnegan holds and he barely used it.

That was wrong on your account...

You can say that itachi lacks the senju genetics for it.

Because Sasuke is handling it just fine.

 

[mohdzarif]

You're f*cking joking right? :|

In day two morning, Obito fought bee and naruto.

He fought until night time which was when his mask finally broke.

^^That was a whole day itself

Morning doesn't make sense because if you look back at the entire fight, it was not long.

Obito fought them in the jungle for just a moment before Bee destroyed the trees. Then the fight continued with the Six Jinchuurikis transforming. And Kakashi and Gai came. Naruto got eaten by Son Goku.

and... blah blah... I think basically you remember everything. And lastly, Obito activated the revival of the Juubi after he couldn't defeat them.

Looking at all this, it didn't seem like it started in the morning, I think it's maybe at noon. I'm sorry I was exaggerating perhaps when I said it was in the afternoon. But I still don't believe it was in the morning, it doesn't make sense.

 

[mohdzarif]

Exactly, stamina is either physical energy or spiritual energy

The aura when using the gates, naruto's yellow yellow cloak, and (possibly) Susanoo

Look at when the god tree was absorbing the alliance chakra.

It didn't absorb the yellow kyuubi cloak, because it was physical energy.

It's raw.

So as long as both are seperate, it is NOT chakra.

Actually there are things that are called "Yin Chakra" and "Yang Chakra". Don't confuse it with the physical and spiritual energy. As we can remember, Yang Kurama's chakra in Naruto was always called chakra since Part 1, not "raw something something". It is Yang chakra.

Really the trees don't absorb it? The dead shinobis had no Kurama cloak when they were dead because of chakra from getting suck by the tree.

 

[mohdzarif]

3. You implieed that even Obito who has senju DNA couldn't control the rinnegan.

Which is wrong, he can control the rinnegan but not himself.

He has the chakra for it, he was astonished how much chakra the rinnegan holds and he barely used it.

That was wrong on your account...

You can say that itachi lacks the senju genetics for it.

Because Sasuke is handling it just fine.

Maybe you are right. I'm sorry. But it's kinda ambiguous for me what Obito said. Perhaps a viz scan may help.

Sasuke is out of the question because Hagoromo gave him power anyway much like Naruto. He was given the power to control the Rinnegan.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

He wouldn't have.

Would have dropped like a mayfly.

 

[TrollKing]

He wouldn't have.

Would have dropped like a mayfly.

Senju DNA would gives him cancer. Rinnegan would instantly cause him a stroke or a heart attack

 

[VongolaX]

Morning doesn't make sense because if you look back at the entire fight, it was not very long.

Obito fought them in the jungle for just a moment before Bee destroyed the trees. Then the fight continued with the Six Jinchuurikis transforming. And Kakashi and Gai came. Naruto got eaten by Son Goku.

and... blah blah... I think basically you remember everything. And lastly, Obito activated the revival of the Juubi after he couldn't defeat them.

Looking at all this, it didn't seem like it started in the morning, I think it's maybe at noon. Sorry for saying it was in the afternoon.

Obito was with Gedo mazou and the paths of pain in the morning (during the time naruto finish killing the white Zetsu's).

His real body and bee fought itachi and Nagato, while the shadow clone battled the Raikage.

As soon as the kages clashed with Edo Madara, naruto butts head with Obito.

Which was around 11am at the latest.

They fought until his mask cracked which was late dark at night (see 1st form juubi and the moon above it).

With the alliance Justu whatever.

The rest was all about of the battle happen off screen when Sasuke was with the kages.

The alliance went through 3 transformations before the 4 hokages arrival.

He literally fought from chapters 560-666.

A little over a 100 chapters of non stop, non support from other bijuus, and medical ninja chapters of fighting.

Even yang chakra kyuubi ran out of chakra 3-4 times.

 

[VongolaX]

Actually there are things that are called "Yin Chakra" and "Yang Chakra". Don't confuse it with the physical and spiritual energy. As we can remember, Yang Kurama's chakra in Naruto was always called chakra since Part 1, not "raw something something". It is Yang chakra.

Really the trees don't absorb it? The dead shinobis had no Kurama cloak when they were dead because of chakra from getting suck by the tree.

I'm not confusing yang chakra with yin chakra.

We haven't seen it as far as I'm concerned.

Since part 1, naruto had the half the kyuubi's chakra and it was red.

Not yellow.

^^Remember that.

I think the best example is Hashirama's mokuton.

The kyuubi cloak wasn't gone.

Re-read the chapter god tree

Somebody made a thread about it too.

 

[VongolaX]

Maybe you are right. I'm sorry. But it's kinda ambiguous for me what Obito said. Perhaps a viz scan may help.

Viz translation stated that the rinnegan was too strong that he almost lost himself.

It was too vague, but nowhere did it indicate that he didn't have the chakra for it.

Sasuke is out of the question because Hagoromo gave him power anyway much like Naruto. He was given the power to control the Rinnegan.

Sasuke only got a piece of the sage's chakra on the left side of his body.

But got the transplant from Kabuto at the same time.