Finally Admitted That Itachi Can Beat Nagato....

[brizzy]

itachi's one of my favourite characters, but i dont think he'd be able to beat the 6 peins,
1st their shared feild of vision, plus their complimenting abilities to how they fight, i'd say itachi needs sage mode, and then he could have achance of beating the peins. planetary devastation finishes the fight when it starts, because itachi's alone.
after itachi beat the peins then nagato would come, but pain never lost a fight so do you think nagato would? he'd then bea itachi w/o very high difficulty.
although pein's weakness could be used against him with tsukiomi, we dont know if it works on nagato,, even rikodou mode couldn't beat this guy

 

[Six Paths of Logic]

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I am going to bring up some interesting points
1) The God Tree was shown to absorb Madara's Susanoo
2) Nagato was able to absorb Killer B's (or Bee?) 8-tails Chakra Cloak Version 1 or 2 not sure
3) The Susanoo contains chakra with can be absorb
4) Kabuto was controlling Nagato in that fight, and it turned into a 1vs3

 

[Oblivionx]

Nagato > Pain > Itachi
Nagato > Itachi

Kabuto Stated, = MangaPhuxxx #DealWithIt

ShinraTensei , ChibakuTensei BanshooTennin , Haxx summons, Purple soul eater dragon (quite similar to Totsuka blade IMO) Large Chakra reserves, Absorbs all normal Ninjustu, can deflect Amatarasu,

I'm sure he can also push away a susano'o with his ST, keep in mind, Nagatos ST > Pains ST (when Pain did his Giant ST he had to drop the other pains, and focus all his Chakra into one, and being Nagato he doesn't have to worry about the other Pains so Nagato's power > Pain's)

I really don't see any counters to CT.. :/ ?
Nagato also has all 5 elements U_U
Izanami won't work on Nagato, because he's not living a false life or anything like that.

If you really say Susano'o is a Game changer as such, well, Nagato can summon the Gedo Mazou to fight against that?
well, personal opinions also come to play, and i think Nagato > Itachi

read the OP... given counter to everything other than gedo mazu which i excluded with it nagato wins... also susano can be used as both offense and defense (against ST) ..

For starters: Non of your pictures worked for me.



Unsure about this, in fact there is nothing that guarantees this theory, but of course you got a point, if this is the case Nagato would need to destroy Susanoo (which he easily could with his arsenal if he manages to land a blow).

Well i'm not saying it's a fact... i just posted what seems logical to me.. also try opening pics in new tab...
yes nagato would need to destroy susano but other than CT i don't think anything nagato has can do it..

Agreed. I wouldn't say, that Nagato is immune to any Genjutsu but he could surely deal with it.




I don't understand why all people think Itachi would be a better strategian than Nagato ._. There is NO LITTLE PICE of evidence for this. Itachi is brilliant sure, but Nagato isn't an idiot... we simply don't have a convincing comparison.

it's because itachi has more feats... nagato has always depended on his raw power.. not intelligence.. while itachi has almost always shown to be using tactics...

That is wrong in my opinion. If they face each other knowing that they fight each other Nagato can protect his summonings from Amaterasu with his Preta Path. He simply didn't have time to react in the Edo fight because noone expected Edo-Itachi to turn sides.

nagato has no speed contest with itachi so what are you suggesting, nagato stands infront of his summons?? then they aren't fighting itachi... and if you are stating that nagato starts absorbing amaterasu from summons then that is all itachi needs to defeat him.. a distraction...

Now this is all my personal opinion again but I highly doubt Itachi could do anything against CT solo. Sure he could destroy it but that beeing said Nagato won't just watch and let Itachi have it his way. If he needs like 2-3 attacks on that thing Nagato got plenty of time to harass him. Also CT - the way Nagato used it - pulls EVERYTHING because it creates it's own gravity, people were just able to withstand that impulse for a certain amount of time.

Nagato has less mobility... if you think he is going to cause itachi any problem while CT is active then tell me how?? he used CT 2 times.. madara used it 1 time but none interfered with opponents during the process... also i did say, with knowledge it would be easy and counted CT as dangerous attack..

It would be a great fight imho but non Edo Itachi couldn't handle Nagato in my opinion considering the high Chakra reserves Nagato has. Especially when Itachi doesn't have full knowledge about Nagato's abilities (for example Naruto described how CT works - sure Itachi would have figured that out in a matter of seconds but he doesn't face him with previous knowledge of this Jutsu - means it could even catch him offguard).

true... that's why i said for alive itachi, it's more like 50/50 but edo itachi has no chakra problems... and knowledge is necessary and in hypothetical matches it's usually manga knowledge... and even without knowledge, itachi has his chances...
i'm not saying itachi wins for sure... i'm saying he has his chances...

 

[Oblivionx]

itachi's one of my favourite characters, but i dont think he'd be able to beat the 6 peins,
1st their shared feild of vision, plus their complimenting abilities to how they fight, i'd say itachi needs sage mode, and then he could have achance of beating the peins. planetary devastation finishes the fight when it starts, because itachi's alone.
after itachi beat the peins then nagato would come, but pain never lost a fight so do you think nagato would? he'd then bea itachi w/o very high difficulty.
although pein's weakness could be used against him with tsukiomi, we dont know if it works on nagato,, even rikodou mode couldn't beat this guy

i too think pain would be more tough of a fight for itachi then nagato... but i'm talking about nagato here and not pain... and i have given counters to CT or planetary devestation... read OP...

 

[Oblivionx]

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I am going to bring up some interesting points
1) The God Tree was shown to absorb Madara's Susanoo
2) Nagato was able to absorb Killer B's (or Bee?) 8-tails Chakra Cloak Version 1 or 2 not sure
3) The Susanoo contains chakra with can be absorb
4) Kabuto was controlling Nagato in that fight, and it turned into a 1vs3

lel... you didn't read the thread at all, did ya..
1)when was god tree shown to absorb susano... need scan... also preta isn't god tree...
2) i agree
3) so why hashirama kept fighting madara even after having chakra absorption abilities.. i guess he was an idiot to not absorb susano .. lel... XD
4) i'm not talking about that fight... only considered feats shown by both characters...

 

[ARGUS]

how are susanoo based attacks not being absorbed,,, ur scans are referring to hashiramas wood dragon which has absorption abilities itself which was why it negated preta,,,

-Hashiramas mokujin did manage to restrain madara in the end,,,, furthermore itachi doesnt have PS,, which would take a LONG time to absorb even for mokujin,,,
i dont see why u are bringing the off panel fight of Madara and Hashirama in this argument,, when the comparisons you are making are irrelevant,,

-susanoo is simply a manifestation of chakra into a physical structure,, it is not like mokujin,,, neither does it have any abilities to negate preta,,,,,,, preta can absorb any chakra based ninjutsu,,, theres no reason to doubt that it cant absorb susanoo,,, when it has shown to absorb chakra from V2 Bee which was in a physical form,,,

susanoo is absorbed jus like FRS, Chidori and V2 cloak of Bee in quite a similar way as canon,,, totsuka blade is also likely to get absorbed unless nagato gets hit by it,,,,

-No way in hell is YM (yasaka magatama) enough to destroy CT,,, u shud get that

BT will kill nagato as itachi can simply activate susano while being pulled and demolish nagato...

This is false,,, Nagato has shown to be able to use multiple paths at once,, he can use BT under itachis feet and pull him out of his susanoo,, and if itachi tries to use any ninjutsu to counter attack nagato while being pulledd by BT,, then nagato can use Preta to absorb the jutsu,,, jus like he did when naruto tried counterattacking with rasengan,,,,
and how will he exactly ''demolish'' nagato,,, ???? taijutsu is definitely a no go,,, since he is not better than KCM NAruto and Bee (combined) in it,, since both of them got overwhelmed by him while proceeding nagato at CQC,,,

 

[slimreaper]

And here I was hoping just one of the pictures worked

 

[warlee]

Who cares what you think? Your opinion ain't fact and I'm tired of uchiha fans saying tired of uchiha fans using "I use to" tactics to convince people like macho saying he use to be a naruto fan imagine??? You use to think nagato beat itachi? What changed? Itachi got new feat?

 

[Sominus]

Well i'm not saying it's a fact... i just posted what seems logical to me.. also try opening pics in new tab...
yes nagato would need to destroy susano but other than CT i don't think anything nagato has can do it..

Itachi's susanoo is not a perfect one and even those have been shown to be destroyed rather easily. Especially as Nagato got a wide range of elemental techs too.

it's because itachi has more feats... nagato has always depended on his raw power.. not intelligence.. while itachi has almost always shown to be using tactics...

I wouldn't sign that but I also can't proof the opposite. Guess it pretty much depends on one's opinion here.

nagato has no speed contest with itachi so what are you suggesting, nagato stands infront of his summons?? then they aren't fighting itachi... and if you are stating that nagato starts absorbing amaterasu from summons then that is all itachi needs to defeat him.. a distraction...

Both of them would move you know... you seem to explain it like they'd only stand mid-range from and throw jutsu at each other. Of course Nagato's biggest concern are not his summons but in an interactive battle he could very well keep his summons alive for a good amount of time.

Nagato has less mobility... if you think he is going to cause itachi any problem while CT is active then tell me how?? he used CT 2 times.. madara used it 1 time but none interfered with opponents during the process... also i did say, with knowledge it would be easy and counted CT as dangerous attack..

Yeah, I was simply stating there, that I don't believe Itachi could really do anything about it, if (like you suggested earlier) he needs 2-3 hits to stop CT because that would give Nagato enough time to pressure Itachi, who couldn't focus on CT and defend at the same time. This would mean that CT would most likely stay intact and drag Itachi in at some point or that Itachi might get wounded while destroying CT (or losing one of his eyes for using Izanagi to heal from said wound). Also consider, that Nagato mastered all the 5 elements. He doesn't need to rely only on his Rinnegan powers. Also I do believe, that Nagato is still mobile enough to outlast Itachi in a 1v1 fight, I mean sure, he can't or rather shouln't rely on close combat but anything else should really be no problem.

true... that's why i said for alive itachi, it's more like 50/50 but edo itachi has no chakra problems... and knowledge is necessary and in hypothetical matches it's usually manga knowledge... and even without knowledge, itachi has his chances...
i'm not saying itachi wins for sure... i'm saying he has his chances...

Yeah and I totally appreciate your opinion. If I didn't like your thread/statement overall I wouldn't have bothered to reply.

 

[Six Paths of Logic]

lel... you didn't read the thread at all, did ya..
1)when was god tree shown to absorb susano... need scan... also preta isn't god tree...
2) i agree
3) so why hashirama kept fighting madara even after having chakra absorption abilities.. i guess he was an idiot to not absorb susano .. lel... XD
4) i'm not talking about that fight... only considered feats shown by both characters...

I did read the thread, i dont think u have revise it, otherwise the images would be working. Unless it's on my side.
1) -_____- idk if that is susanoo or not

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3) While they were summonings of the Impure Resurrection? If so, do u think Madara would just let him do that? Besides, we didn't get to see how Hashirama got Madara

 

[enditallsin]

Lol even itachi knows he can't beat nagato, and we ALL know itachi won't even attempt to fight nagato unless he's completely immobilized by a jutsu that has his movement's 100 percent restricted.

 

[sharingansennin]

I agree, Well I think its 50/50 but whatevs, Could go either way.



I think Pain has better chances, I know Nagato is stronger but Pain having 6 bodies makes Genjutsu useless, He has better mobility and can revive the dead bodies too.

wasn't frog song an effective genjutsu jiraya used?

 

[Oblivionx]

how are susanoo based attacks not being absorbed,,, ur scans are referring to hashiramas wood dragon which has absorption abilities itself which was why it negated preta,,,

-Hashiramas mokujin did manage to restrain madara in the end,,,, furthermore itachi doesnt have PS,, which would take a LONG time to absorb even for mokujin,,,
i dont see why u are bringing the off panel fight of Madara and Hashirama in this argument,, when the comparisons you are making are irrelevant,,

-susanoo is simply a manifestation of chakra into a physical structure,, it is not like mokujin,,, neither does it have any abilities to negate preta,,,,,,, preta can absorb any chakra based ninjutsu,,, theres no reason to doubt that it cant absorb susanoo,,, when it has shown to absorb chakra from V2 Bee which was in a physical form,,,

susanoo is absorbed jus like FRS, Chidori and V2 cloak of Bee in quite a similar way as canon,,, totsuka blade is also likely to get absorbed unless nagato gets hit by it,,,,

-No way in hell is YM (yasaka magatama) enough to destroy CT,,, u shud get that


This is false,,, Nagato has shown to be able to use multiple paths at once,, he can use BT under itachis feet and pull him out of his susanoo,, and if itachi tries to use any ninjutsu to counter attack nagato while being pulledd by BT,, then nagato can use Preta to absorb the jutsu,,, jus like he did when naruto tried counterattacking with rasengan,,,,
and how will he exactly ''demolish'' nagato,,, ???? taijutsu is definitely a no go,,, since he is not better than KCM NAruto and Bee (combined) in it,, since both of them got overwhelmed by him while proceeding nagato at CQC,,,

you didn't understand a thing i said in the OP... i never said susano is like mokujin but the preta path is... both have absorption properties which negated each other and still hashirama never absorbed madara's susano or even attempted to absorb... preta of nagato was active when itachi used susano against him but still nagato's arms were destroyed if you consider mokujin irrelevant which clearly isn't... Susano can't be absorbed by preta... that's the crux of this thread... open images in new tab and you'll understand...
also 1st bold part was hilarious.. XD
as for 2nd bold, susano can't be absorbed... no taijutsu needed...
and as for CT, well you have no proof that YM won't destroy CT, same as i have none that it will... but it's a good probability that it can destroy the core at the beginning of jutsu... also there are other counters to CT...

And here I was hoping just one of the pictures worked

i don't know what to do... they simply don't work... open them in new tab...

Who cares what you think? Your opinion ain't fact and I'm tired of uchiha fans saying tired of uchiha fans using "I use to" tactics to convince people like macho saying he use to be a naruto fan imagine??? You use to think nagato beat itachi? What changed? Itachi got new feat?

well i'm not an uchiha fan, it's just itachi... and i like minato even more... also who is Macho?? and as for the last part, i gave reason at the start of thread, if only you had read it... i believed nagato can absorb everything itachi has but now i know that susano can't be absorbed... and i didn't even say that itachi wins for sure... try reading next time...

Itachi's susanoo is not a perfect one and even those have been shown to be destroyed rather easily. Especially as Nagato got a wide range of elemental techs too.

i won't count elemental techs as we don't know how skilled nagato is with them... since he relied on rinnegan so i'll assume, he was bad at them... and yes susano isn't PS but we saw the likes of shikamaru surviving with no defense against largest ST seen so far... so susano is actually a plus... naruto survived ST with clones is another example...

I wouldn't sign that but I also can't proof the opposite. Guess it pretty much depends on one's opinion here.

okay..

Both of them would move you know... you seem to explain it like they'd only stand mid-range from and throw jutsu at each other. Of course Nagato's biggest concern are not his summons but in an interactive battle he could very well keep his summons alive for a good amount of time.

no i'm not implying they would stand still but that itachi will move a lot faster than nagato... so it's itachi who will be on the offense.. unless nagato spams rinnegan...

Yeah, I was simply stating there, that I don't believe Itachi could really do anything about it, if (like you suggested earlier) he needs 2-3 hits to stop CT because that would give Nagato enough time to pressure Itachi, who couldn't focus on CT and defend at the same time. This would mean that CT would most likely stay intact and drag Itachi in at some point or that Itachi might get wounded while destroying CT (or losing one of his eyes for using Izanagi to heal from said wound). Also consider, that Nagato mastered all the 5 elements. He doesn't need to rely only on his Rinnegan powers. Also I do believe, that Nagato is still mobile enough to outlast Itachi in a 1v1 fight, I mean sure, he can't or rather shouln't rely on close combat but anything else should really be no problem.

well as i stated we haven't seen any of CT users doing anything during CT... even if he does attack with lets say ST still he won't use a strong 1 as it may damage CT as well... also CT is last resort... if itachi survives that then same happens what happened in manga... i'm not denying that CT is dangerous attack... i'm saying itachi has 50 to 60% chances of surviving it...

Yeah and I totally appreciate your opinion. If I didn't like your thread/statement overall I wouldn't have bothered to reply.

thanks... i'm grateful for your positive response...

I did read the thread, i dont think u have revise it, otherwise the images would be working. Unless it's on my side.
1) -_____- idk if that is susanoo or not

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3) While they were summonings of the Impure Resurrection? If so, do u think Madara would just let him do that? Besides, we didn't get to see how Hashirama got Madara

that surely is susano but where is it being absorbed?? it was destroyed by 4 TBB's fired by obito... not sucked by god tree... also hashirama has been fighting madara his entire life.. at VOTE madara covered kyubi with susano to protect kyubi from wood style... susano was never absorbed by wood style or preta... and open images in new tab... i don't know how to fix it...

Lol even itachi knows he can't beat nagato, and we ALL know itachi won't even attempt to fight nagato unless he's completely immobilized by a jutsu that has his movement's 100 percent restricted.

wow... just wow... stop smoking weed dude...

 

[Oblivionx]

wasn't frog song an effective genjutsu jiraya used?

you do have a point but he has one too... if nagato was hit with frog song, it would have been game over but pain was still able to defeat jiraya.. numbers do help...

 

[VongolaX]

The only reason why Itachi edges Nagato is because of his Susanoo.

Just look at the feats Madara and Sasuke have shown with the basic no-leg Susanoo.

Madara's V2 Susanoo tanked a juubi Tenpachii

^^That's bigger than any version of nagato's shrina tensei

Sasuke against Danzo showed why banshou tenin wouldn't work

And Madara proved that you cannot absorb Susanoo.

^^When he failed to absorb particle no jusu because of his Susanoo.

 

[Oblivionx]

The only reason why Itachi edges Nagato is because of his Susanoo.

Just look at the feats Madara and Sasuke have shown with the basic no-leg Susanoo.

Madara's V2 Susanoo tanked a juubi Tenpachii

^^That's bigger than any version of nagato's shrina tensei

Sasuke against Danzo showed why banshou tenin wouldn't work

And Madara proved that you cannot absorb Susanoo.

^^When he failed to absorb particle no jusu because of his Susanoo.

yeah...! and you added one more example... Good to see people getting it...

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Nagato is a couple of tiers above Itachi, he stomps Itachi without much effort

 

[Polarbearfrost]

Itachi can activate susanoo use that sword thing and seal him forever and ever and ever.

 

[ARGUS]

you didn't understand a thing i said in the OP...

Yes i did, and but ur spouting non sense

i never said susano is like mokujin but the preta path is... both have absorption properties which negated each other and still hashirama never absorbed madara's susano or even attempted to absorb... preta of nagato was active when itachi used susano against him but still nagato's arms were destroyed if you consider mokujin irrelevant which clearly isn't... Susano can't be absorbed by preta... that's the crux of this thread... open images in new tab and you'll understand...

Your point again is completely irrelevant,,,,
1. Hashirama vs Madara fight was completely off panelled furthermore,, for the mokujin to absorb something,, it needs to wrap around or come in contact with it,,, we only saw mokujin tank the PS (SHOCKWAVE) not the PS itself,,,
and when we got back to the fight,,, we saw madara being wrapped around the wood dragon,,,,

2. No it wasnt,,, nagato only used preta for a short while in-orrder to absoorb narutos rasengan,,, afterwards he used shurado on bee,, and ningendo on naruto,,, preta was inactive,,, moreover nagato was being controlled by kabuto,,, someone who didnt know how to use him properllyy,,,,

3. Susanoo can and would be absorbed by preta,, its food for something like that,,, its a manifestation of chakra in a physical form,,, Preta negates the effect of the ninjutsu completely,, once it comes in contact with it,,,

4. Ur point is even more moot,,, since ur using PS as an example,, something that Itachi doesnt have,, neither does he have its shockwaves (which are not chakra based),,, its also far too large,,meaning thatt it would take some time for mokujin to absorb,,,,

5. God tree is also something that absorbs chakra,, and it absorbs madaraa/sasukes susanoo when it came into contact,,, the same would happen when it comes in contact with susanoo

also 1st bold part was hilarious.. XD

Not as hillarious as ur reasoning,,,,,

as for 2nd bold, susano can't be absorbed... no taijutsu needed..

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Yes it can be,,, its simply a chakra based ninjutsu,,, something that preta has shown to absorb comfortably,,,,

and as for CT, well you have no proof that YM won't destroy CT, same as i have none that it will... but it's a good probability that it can destroy the core at the beginning of jutsu... also there are other counters to CT...

The fact that kishi showed us that FRS/TBB & YM were needed to destroy the core,, is why YM alone isnt enough,, the attack hasnt shown any great destructive feats,, let alone on the scale of CT,,,,
@Bold - NO there arent,,,

 

[Oblivionx]

Nagato is a couple of tiers above Itachi, he stomps Itachi without much effort

okay...

Itachi can activate susanoo use that sword thing and seal him forever and ever and ever.

quite possible....

Yes i did, and but ur spouting non sense

Your point again is completely irrelevant,,,,
1. Hashirama vs Madara fight was completely off panelled furthermore,, for the mokujin to absorb something,, it needs to wrap around or come in contact with it,,, we only saw mokujin tank the PS (SHOCKWAVE) not the PS itself,,,
and when we got back to the fight,,, we saw madara being wrapped around the wood dragon,,,,

no it's not... why are you only considering only edo madara vs edo hashirama battle... have you forgotten VOTE battle?? also even in edo fight... mokujin clearly grabbed PS's hand... still nothing happened to PS... also if mokujin was able to absorb susano, madara would have lost low diff to hashirama in every battle... it's manga fact that mokujin can't absorb susano... and it's also manga fact that mokujin negated preta... just like kamui can negate kamui...

2. No it wasnt,,, nagato only used preta for a short while in-orrder to absoorb narutos rasengan,,, afterwards he used shurado on bee,, and ningendo on naruto,,, preta was inactive,,, moreover nagato was being controlled by kabuto,,, someone who didnt know how to use him properllyy,,,,

lel where's the proof?? even if he didn't see giant like susano coming, you are saying, he was sure that naruto won't attack again either?? nagato was able to use multiple paths at the same time yet failed to absorb susano... and that kabuto excuse is nice and touching by the way...

3. Susanoo can and would be absorbed by preta,, its food for something like that,,, its a manifestation of chakra in a physical form,,, Preta negates the effect of the ninjutsu completely,, once it comes in contact with it,,,

ftg is also a ninjutsu, yet everyone knows that seal can't be absorbed... kamui is also a ninjutsu.. come to me when preta absorbs it...
i provided scans proving preta can't absorb susano but it seems you are in denial...

4. Ur point is even more moot,,, since ur using PS as an example,, something that Itachi doesnt have,, neither does he have its shockwaves (which are not chakra based),,, its also far too large,,meaning thatt it would take some time for mokujin to absorb,,,,

so you are admitting that PS can't be absorbed?? i didn't mention shock waves even once in my thread so now you are talking nonsense...
and PS is a susano so is itachi's... only difference is PS is lot more stronger... and madara's PS never even shrinked in size meaning it was never absorbed one bit... mokujin touched PS on more than 1 occasions in manga.. still not one bit shown absorbed... start reading manga dude...

5. God tree is also something that absorbs chakra,, and it absorbs madaraa/sasukes susanoo when it came into contact,,, the same would happen when it comes in contact with susanoo

show scans plz....

Not as hillarious as ur reasoning,,,,,
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Yes it can be,,, its simply a chakra based ninjutsu,,, something that preta has shown to absorb comfortably,,,,

The fact that kishi showed us that FRS/TBB & YM were needed to destroy the core,, is why YM alone isnt enough,, the attack hasnt shown any great destructive feats,, let alone on the scale of CT,,,,
@Bold - NO there arent,,,

i can even say that itachi's susano i.e totsuka pierced nagato if preta was effective why didn't nagato absorb it?? he sure had time to talk so speed isn't an issue here...
also destroying CT like that was safe plan... and even if 1 YM can't destroy it, 2 or 3 can... also as i said itachi can jump off the rocks... person isn't being pulled... manga fact... posted scan in OP...