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The Mystery that is still Uchiha Madara
All started after the Battle of Madara Vs Hashirama...where Madara was believed to be dead :
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Thus if Madara was attached to the Mazo and could'nt move outside and if the Zetsus weren't created at that time then :
1-how did he got outside and implant his Rinnegans to Nagato??!
2-how did he kidnapp Rin and place a curse seal in her heart??
3-how did he controll the Mist Shinobies and plan the whole Rin's death??
4- if the uzumaki's land destruction was planned By Madara then how did he do it??
old Madara done actions that maybe a skilled shinobi could'nt have done!!
Probably some1 committed those actions...
another Madara Mysterious Mystery is :
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Madara's BODY!!..has secrets engraved in the uchiha stone??!!!!...WHAT WHAT WHAT???...wait wait plz :
-1st : how can Madara''s body have secrets when the uchiha Tablet was written many years befor madara's birth??!!!..MY MIND IS FREEZING HERE!!!...so doesn't that mean that Madara could modify the uchiha stone wrriting and write it to what it fits him??...but wait!!!.. that would also look like stupidityy from madara to write the secrets of his body on the uchiha stone, wich could be his weak points!!!!......
-2nd- what in the world are THE SECRETS OF MADARA'S BODY !!!!...and why exactly Madara's BODY secrets..and not Madara as a whole...ITS AS IF MADARA'S BODY CAN BE SOUL-LESS BUT NOT MINDLESS (maybe maybe)..
Note : the old Madara's body that was attached to the gedo mazo and spoke with obito , could be madara's not actuall body..that means old madara could leave his old vessel in the cave and manage to move out through some other means..like possessing another humain body and use it like a vessel..or through an artificial vessel...there could have been 2 madara's runing around at that time
Conclusion : Madara is the Mysterious Mystery of this manga
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The Mystery that is still the Masked man Tobi
NOW let's see the Masked man's Mystery:
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OHH YESS..everyone will say the Mystery of tobi is over..and he is obito...REALLY???!!...YA THINK SO?!..for the sake of the one who said : "one's truth might be another's illusion, WE ALL LIVE INSIDE OUR FANTASIES"...do you think Kihsimoto would base Tobi's Mystery on some obvious Hints like : hair similarity, and the Magic name trick : tobi=obito= tobito!!....and orange color?..NOOO!!...the Obito reveal was just the simplex part of Tobi's whole mystery...as you know kishimoto stated that he wrote naruto manga for kids in 1st place...kishimoto even made it obvious or i dare say he spoiled Tobi's identity starting from chapter 594, when kakashi started recognizing the identity of the masked man to be his past friend obito,..you think really a mystery that run for 5 years will be revealed in such predictable manner by kishi??!..OF COURSE NOT !!!...thus becuz kishimoto write the manga for all ages and tastes he created A COMPLEX PART FOR TOBI'S MYSTERY...and the complex part is the reall ID of TOBI...the complex part that will be revealed when the manga nears its end, requires that the readers read the manga from the begining and analyse it...cuz why?......Naruto Manga for me = THE UCHIHA STONE TABLET..what it needs is deciphring and not just reading..you wanna decipher the manga? then get the rinegan first...or at least sharingan!!...how you get the Rinnegan its through analyzing and deep understandng of the Manga..so the ones who will work hard to find tobi's true id and not rely on obvious hints are the TRUE NARUTO READERS...SO LETS ACTIVATE RINNEGAN AND SEE THROUGH KISHIMOTO'S ILLUSION!!...
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first- the explanations of tobi's mystery we've seen from chapter 599 till chapter 607...you think its the truth??..NOOO
but why??...simple..becuz the explanations weve' seen from chapters 599 to 607..WERE JUST TRUTH FROM OBITO'S PERSPECTIVE !!!...it was just truth of Obito's flashbacks!!....
The Authenticity of obito's flashbacks :
-due to the boulder that crushed obito's head, this caused him to have troubles of rememberness and rejecting his past self plus denying his self-identity (im not one)..it also cauzed him to have Delusions (Rin Rin Rin)...
-the curse seal Madara placed on obito's heart and the chakra rodes also played role in controlling obito and erasing some of his memories....
-now let me ask you few Questions :
1-would you trust flashbacks of some1 who was controlled and had delusions ??
2-did we see the flashbacks of the one who found Obito and healed him (madara)?...NOO WE didnt!!...hence the whole truth is in Madara's flashbacks!!!....
3-: did we see the rest of Tobi's Mystery explanations like :
-how he manipulated Mizukage yagura
-how itachi and kisame believed tobi to be UCHIHA MADARA
-how the masked man controlled kurama
-how he slaughtred the uchiha clan..??..
NOOO WE DIDN'T...why?...cuz kishimoto skipped them purposely becuz we will see the rest of tobi's mystery explanations in the new reveal of tobi that is coming soon...
conclusion
bito's flashbacks OR the truth of tobi from obito's perspective is vague and untrustworthy = LOGICALLY IT WILL END UP BEING AN ILLUSION...and here i bring you one of the wisest quotes in the history of manga said by the wise of the sharingan itachi uchiha :
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what a genious quote !!..this quote is the reason why i keep reading Naruto Manga..this quote is what Tobi's Mystery is about...this quote IS THE MANGA ITSELF...never ever call something truth untill you get full understanding of it otherwise your truth will end up being a mere illusion...that is why itachi told sasuke to get strong eyes if he ever wants to find out the truth...and that is why, we the readers, should becarfull from kishimoto's illusion, cuz like how kihsimoto fooled us into making us belive itachi was a bad guy then revealed his truth to be a nice guy who joined akatsuki to protect the village, he is also able to fool us and make us think that tobi is obito , then reveals the truth of the masked man to be someone else...and at this point kishi is a genious mangaka, becuz he brought the conflict between the concepts of "Reality" VS "illusion" within tobi's mystery..its similar to senju vs uchiha...or what kisame described as "LIVING LIES"...so kishi basically filled his manga with "living lies"..but its not trolling as we think..its for the sake to teach us how to be able to see through Reality's illusion..
-Now read what the masked man told konan befor she died...he simply tells here..." you konan since you are about to die ,i will tell you the truth of ME" :
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WHY WOULD ToBI LIE TO KONAN WHEN HE WAS SURE OF HER DEATH????...does he even seem like he is obito liying?
facts to be deduced ...The masked man :
1- gave Nagato the Rinnegan
2- HE MET YAHIKO and spurred him to form akatsuki = Madara is the reall akatsuki founder not yahiko !!....
- remember kishimoto still didn't show us how Madara met yahiko and spurred him to form akatsuki, or how could Madara done that when he was attached to the gedo mazo
now if you go back to the missing explanations from Tobi's mystery...you would notice that they are all RELATED TO UCHIHA MADARA AND HIS ABILITIES :...
1-who could controll kurama with his sharingan in the history of Uchihas?= MADARA !!
2-who could've possibly met yahiko =MADARA cuz obito was a baby at that time
3-who could controll yagura in the same way he controlled the Mist shinobies ? = MADARA!!
4-who would slaughter the uchihas becuz of a grudge?? = OBITO?...NOOO = ITS MADARA !!!
AND AT THIS POINT EXACTLY!! many will disagree with me saying obito did those evil incidents becuz they were part of him pretending to be Madara.
but the thing that if obito committed those evil actions...WHY DIDN'T kishi reveal those details in the obito flashbacks?...why didn't obito for exemple retry and controll kurama with his sharingan during war arc??..why didn't obito say anything about UCHIHA CLAN MASSACRE,when the uchiha didn't do anything to him?....not only that but also..why didn't obito show those bada$$$ traits of the masked man tobi and why his character suddenly changed after his mask broke??
again many will disagree with me saying obito did those evil incidents becuz they were part of him pretending to be Madara.....and my answer to this is this quote from itachi again :"one's truth might be another's illusion , we all live inside our fantasies" "everyone is bound within his sphere of knowledge"...Most of you had it as conformed truth that obito was the one who committed those evil incidents..but my truth is different then your's..cuz i believe that the one who controlled mizukage ,slaughtred the uchiha,and controled the fox WAS INDEED UCHIHA MADARA ...and not obito!!!... THERE'S A MIRAGE and illusion created by kishi within the Mystery fo tobi....LET ME POINT OUT HOW TOBI'S MYSTERY CONTAINS MIRAGE AND FUZZY TRUTH...AND WHY TH REALL MASKED MAN IS MADARA!! :
look at this masterpiece panel from kishi :
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your intentions all were directed toward obito and how he started becoming the masked man Tobi..BUT you just neglect the old-Madra part...cuz the truth of this image is that Madara finally foun a host to seal his other part within and become the villain Tobi..
-Notice the preparations done by Madara befor he disconnected himself from the Mazo..
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those preparations contains madara sealing himself within obito
then old Madara died...or rather he disconnected himself from the mazo...and here the question arises : DID MADARA REALLY DIE??....
let's see what Madara said about it...
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Madara didn't say he was dead...he just stated that "being revived with Rinnetensei was part of his plan..AND YET THE PLAN DIDNT GO AS EXPECTED"...Now in the Naruto world just becuz you were being revived does that necessary means you were dead??...AND HERE LIES THE TRICK !!..just think about it..if old Madara knew he would be revived in the same state he died in (old and weakned) his death would be pointless..i mean why was the act of being revived was so much important for madara??..THUS..the reason why madara planned to be revived with rinnetensei was TO GET HIS BODY BACK TO ITS GOLDEN AGE (youth) so he can be the juubi's jinchuriki !!!...however madara didn't die completly...what Madara did is that (theoritic part) he sealed his empty shell within obito and used him as a weaker vessel untill he gets his reall vessel revived...
-let me give you an exemple : in the Manga we had 2 juubi's runing around at the same time :
1-Gedo Mazo : wich is THE EMPTY SHELL of Juubi
2- the tailed beasts wich are the Juubi devided into 9 bijuus...so when the gedo Mazo goes back to its formerself..its will be come THE JUUBI REVIVED...Madara might have used the same jutsu (sozo banbutsu) to seal his empty shell within obito's body...just like how hagoromo sealed gedo mazo within the moon....thus Rikudo Madara is the reall vessel of tobimadara...and tobimadara is the empty shell of Rikudo Madara..BUT ITS MADARA !!..wich means there are 2 madara's runing around now Tobidara and Rikidu Madara :
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The Secrets of Madara's body engraved in the uchiha stone might be the key that explains the existence of 2 madara's at the same time...
-The Nature of tobimadara or the 2nd Madara who is the reall villain tobi..
Tobimadara is weakest form of Madara ..he isn't Black zetsu..he isn't a limbo...HE IS MADARA !!...but a Madara who isn't in his reall body...its the immortal part of Madara that kept living within obito controlling him..
what is obito?? :
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what happned to obito exactly after the kanabi bridge incident??!!...THE TRUTH IS IN MADARA'S FLASHBACKS!!
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-we have 2 Greatest shinobies :
1-One who is known with his trustworthiness..i mean KISAME HOCHIGAKE
2-another one who is known with his Wisdom...i mean itachi uchiha..
Notice how kishimoto put both of kisame and itachi in same dual team...BECUZ THEY BOTH KNOW WHO TOBI IS !!
1st-Kisame Hochikage : Tobi was looking for some loyal members to start with his Moon eye plan , he appraoches Kisame and tells him he is Madara :
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............years later....2nd meeting
Tobi acting like goofy appraoching kisame...
goofy Tobi : Kisame senpei !!
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Kisame is a skilled and trustworthy shinobi... his 2nd meeting with tobi clearly confirms that the face he saw was the same he had seen during his first meeting with tobi....and here comes the mindfvcking question :
why did kisame call tobi "Madara" when tobi was revealed to be obito??....what face did kisame exactly see?..tobito or tobidara?!
let me try answer this please but 1st notice this manga pics
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that humain flesh is our 2nd Madara...what happens is that when Tobimadara takes full controll of obito's body
Madara cells will surface on obito's body..making tobimadara emerge..while obito become fully possessed by tobimadara
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thus what kisame saw could be the face of Madara surfacing on obito's body...or at least obito having signs of being controlled
-The purpose of the curse seal Madara placed on obito's heart was to turn off obito's consiousness when tobimadara (the insides) possess him...that is why obito wasn't aware of his reall identity and him being controlled by the 2nd madara, though he might have anticipated Madara would never trust him and would place some curse seal on him..AND YET OBITO WAS NEVER AWARE OF THE SECOND MADARA INVADING HIS BODY....
Madara outsmarted Obito...Madara did his best not to allow obito realize he is being controlled by a 2nd Madara....and for this madara is genious +smart+sharpthinkner+ i dont know what to say.. so guess what Madara did ?:
1-he seals his other part with obito(when obito was still fainted from the boulder crush)
2-he places a curse seal on his heart ..
1- just befor he disconncts himself from the mazo..Madara tells obito to pose as madara and carry on the MEP...why?..so that when tobimadara takes full controll over obito's body..obito will think that he managed to fool other shinobies like kisame and itachi into making them belive he was Madara..but in truth it was Madara indeed speaking through obito...(madara tricked obito with simple words)
2-Madara told obito he would teach him Rikudo no jutsus and inyoton, so that when the 2nd madara possess obito's body and fight others or controlls kiyubi , obito would'nt doubt about his new incredible strenght despite him being 14 years old..
3-Madara the mastermind already calculated that obito will try to revenge on the mist village for killing Rin and search the truth (why she died) by controlling the Mizukage.....and here is kishimoto's genious illusion casted on the readers becuz many will think that obito will controll yagura out of revenge for killing Rin...but in truth it was MADARA IN HIS FORM TOBI, who is going to controll mizukage yagura just like how he controlled the mist shinobies...BECUZ HE WAS JUST CARRYING ON HIS OLD AGENDA THAT INVOLVES THE MIST VILLAGE !!!..
BUT!!!..there was one genious man from the uchiha clan who saw through Madara's deception and found him ..cuz tobi being obito and acting like goofy guy were just MIRAGE for his reall identity..like how old Madara hide himself in a cave and didn't want the world to know about his existence, he will also hide himself within obito's body and act like goofy guy..
itachi uchiha = the wise of the sharingan
Was itachi fooled by Obito?
-itachi was memeber of A.N.B.U and akatsuki + he has got the Mangekyou sharingan..
according to the 3rd hokage saruTobi :
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now the Kestion how did itachi find out tobi to be uchiha Madara?
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-itachi uchiha showed considerable knowledge about Madara wich i bet obito himself doesn't even know..so by reading the uchiha documents + deciphring the uchiha stone itachi learned some secrets about Madara like :
1-the secrets of Madara's body in the uchiha stone
2-Madara's imortality :
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3- and most importantly Madara being the empty shell of his formerself :
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-the masked man was amazed how itachi discovred his secrets and how he had considerable knowledge about Madara...thats why masked man tobidara had great respect toward itachi....when the masked man tobimadara learned the truth of itachi's reall mission, he sympathized a lot with him....(Madara has feelings too ya know?)..but at the same time...when tobi saw the harsh reality that made itachi receive all the hatred of all konoha..this just made him stck more in the inifnit tsukoyomi and despise reality ...both of itachi and tobimadara respect each others despite them being enemies...
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-kisame , itachi , and tobimadara belong to the league of bada$$es..whereas obito doesnt...
Notice this inconsitency resulting from tobi being obito when tobi appraoched kisame :
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-when itachi told Sasuke the history of Madara through a flashback genjutsu..we see itachi already knows how uchiha Madara looked like..wich makes the possibility of itachi being fooled by obito illogical....
-itachi uses similar eye thechniques to that of Madara (yasaka magatma, tsukoyomi, sosano) becuz Madara (tobi) trained him...
Notice how Tobi keeps telling kabuto that he was the one who fought hashirama and stole his cells and that Nagato's rinnegan was his to begin with,even when kabuto knew tobi's secret!!
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Notice how tobidara was upset becuz nagato didn't revive him(madara) with Rinnetensei
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obito has no reason to be upset that nagato didn't revive Madara,becuz he himself planned to betray Madara and never revive him..
-when konan was about to die, tobi revealed her his true identity..
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-the masked man Minato defeated was Madara...but a madara without his reall vessel...that is why the masked man congratulated Minato saying : " you have no idea who you just defeated now..i congratulate you, you dizerve the title of hokage"..simply bcuz minato defeated Madara
-the one who controlled kurama was madara that is why kurama said "...YOU !!"...meaning so its you madara !!..
-the reason why tobi had madara's voice when obito was 14...is becuz he was being possed by madara...and since kishimoto didn't explain why tobi had madara's voice then it's still just an opinion to say obito copycated madara..
-The goofy tobi was the spiral zetsu...becuz at some time in the past tobidara integrated spiral zetsu wiithin obito's/his
body to allow him act like a goofy guy and lead akatsuki frm the shadow.....so basically tobi is 3 persons : obito and madara and spiral zetsu....but the boss tobi is Madara...Madara is the one who controlled both obito and spiral zetsu in the same body....the spiral zetsu and Tobimadara are the "INSIDES" who white zetsu was talking about..cuz they were INSIDE obito's body...
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i thought the man who was inside spiral zetsu could be tobimadara, but i guess i was wrong and hasty..and i have to admit that ignore the process how tobimadara will emerge...maybe if rikudo madara gets sealed, then tobimadara will emerge....so the finall truth of tobi will be revealed after the inifnit tsukoyomi....but why?...its becuz tobi's new reveal isn't a lie created by the mugen tsukoyoi's genjutsu ...its worst then that its "Reality's illusion"..its a "living lie"..becuz Madara in the end will show the allied shinobis how this reality is full of lies....Madara will prove it in the battlefield that his moon eye plan and philosophie are worth implementing...what you thought was truth called tobi is obito will become a mere illusion ..and in the end madara succeed in fooling everyone
