[DEBATE] Sasori (UchihaNagashi) vs. Hebi Sasuke (Akasuna)

[Akasuna]

Will have counter up either later today, tomorrow, or early Monday.

 

[UchihaNagashi]

Suuuuuuure.

 

[shelke]

Akasuna / Vaarah. The win should be achieved rather handily. Do me proud.

Trust me, I am not Varrah.

Akasuna is not I.​

Nice shenanigan.


P.s: I think I should volunteer for the judging post, as my knowledge on both of these characters is top notch.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

Tragic Nous got this.

 

[Akasuna]

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Spoiler

It doesn't take a genius - which, even so, Sasuke is - to figure out how puppets work; the user controls the marionette via strings. Even an infant can notice that. Sasuke, with the Sharingan, will easily be able to locate these strings seeing as they're merely concentrated chakra.


Obviously Sasuke's going to look to sever the strings, however not as straight forward as you believe. As we know, Omoi was able to surprise Sasori and Deidara both with a simple

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. From there Kankuro was able to react and attach his own chakra strings to Sasori's before Sasori could reattach his.

Substitute Sasuke for Omoi in this scenario; Sasuke makes as if he's dashing towards Sasori, yet instead slices the chakra strings. As is axiomatic, once the chakra strings are severed Sasori temporarily loses control of both Sandaime and the Satetsu. Even so, you may claim, Sasori can reattach the chakra strings in little time. Well, an instant or two is all that Sasuke requires [

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Look carefully at the distance Sasuke is from his opponent in the first scan; he appears to be merely the size of his arm. In the next scan, however, he's closed the distance before his opponent could even move and delivered four swift cuts to the abdomen, lower right leg, and both arms.

Even if, say, Sasori manages to attach the strings a split second before Sasuke's strike connects, he still has to guard with Satetsu - which he can't. It will be physically impossible for Sasori to move a previously immobile puppet in time to dodge Sasuke's while he is already in motion, same with gathering the Satetsu to block.

Obviously the distance between Sandaime and Sasuke is going to be much smaller than in my previously displayed scan, which makes it all the easier to slice the puppet to pieces with either his Kusanagi blade or

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; if the latter is utilized Sasuke doesn't even have to close the distance. He can, in fact, in one swift motion slice the chakra strings and the puppet itself with said Chidori Eisō. No matter how you cut it, Sandaime is subject to a quick defeat.

With defensive part done, offense follows. Right from the start of the match, Sandaime had already unraveled his Satetsu. Since his Satetsu can be used in all forms possible, first thing he does is create a Satetsu barrier that is lying on air, same fashion as Gaara in this scan [

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], while Sandaime is fully protected like in here [

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Minimizing Sasori's line of sight is the worst possible thing you can do in this battle. With Sasuke's speed he'll easily take advantage of this.

I'm going to exploit this now in case I forget later; Sasuke will pinpoint the location of Sasori's core from the very start of this battle. Sasori's core

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; the Sharingan

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.

Moving on, Apex recently raised an interesting point that I feel is worth sharing.

A candle is considered 1000 degrees celsius. the curie point of iron is 770'ish. I have no reason to believe massive katons which created thunderclouds can't exceed this massively, at a larger aoe...The iron has to reach the temperature of 700 degrees. More so, the closer it gets to 700 degrees, the weaker its magnetism becomes. Sasuke uses fireball which is easily 2k celsius and makes it reach curie point. Sasori can't do anything but watch the fireball heat the iron, then watch his iron drop like sand, then watch himself die from a fire.

The iron properties of Sasori's Satetsu actually work against him in this scenario. Sasuke's larger Katon [

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] easily possess the heat required to melt the iron and not only make the Satetsu heavy to the point of unusable - while still being on fire - it will also demagnetize it to make it unusable in a different way. Assuming that Sasori is in his Satetsu dome as you suggested, his Satetsu melting would not only trap him under the heavy iron and flame, but melt through his wooden body to the core. The battle can easily be finished there; or similarly, Sandaime will be finished if Sasuke targets him, seeing as you have him being protected in a dome as well. Assuming that's not the case, however...

First he will be kept busy with Satetsu Shigure, that possesses large AoE and is difficult to be evaded.

Satetsu and all its offensive variants are tanked by snakes of various sizes [

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Sasuke with Sharingan, will consider this as a non-threat at first and most likely evades all arms like Sakura. However, after Sasuke gets out of the 'jail', Sasori restrains him again with his ropebound kunai's. They are repelled, not dodged. Even if he dodges, it doesn't matter slightest. The poison gas will continue to harm his health and eventually lead him to possibly concussion. But Sasori is known to have the job finished himself just to be sure, and ends it with another Suna Shigure.

Refer to directly previous scans on Sasuke evading Deidara's C2. Sasuke's reaction and Shunshin speed >>> Chiyo's ability to control Sakura. The C2 easily dwarfed Sasuke, and yet he still evaded it perfectly fine to the side. I don't see him being caught in any 'jail', however I'll bear with this strategy of yours.

Ropebound kunai are dispelled with

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; if the poison gas gets in his system, Oral Rebirth is a possible option. Sasori's poison is

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, designed to kill the opponent over three days. Orochimaru was capable of utilizing Oral Rebirth even when his internal organs were completely obliterated by Kabuto [

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]. Sasuke can easily utilize the body replacement and guard with a snake before Suna Shigure reaches him.

From there, obviously Sasori has no choice but to bring out his Hundred Puppets. Surprisingly, this makes the battle exponentially easier for Sasuke: as we've seen, he's taken down hundreds of Shinobi

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. Sasori's hundred puppets, with which he has neither the same control as he does with the Sandaime nor the same attributes, are all easily dodged - considering that a worn out, uncontrolled Sakura was

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. At that point, Sasuke goes for Sasori himself;

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should suffice to finish him once and for all.

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Summary

1. Sandaime Kazekage's potential defeat scenarios

• Possibility One: Sasuke severs the Chakra Threads and blitzes the puppet before Sasori can react, destroying it.
• Possibility Two: Sasuke melts Sandaime's Satetsu dome, utterly destroying it in a collage of flame and iron.
• Possibility Three: Sasuke point blank blitzes.

2. Sasori's Hundred Puppets


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  [*=left]All of the Hundred Puppets are effortlessly dodged and parried, leading to Sasuke ultimately finishing Sasori with a Chidori Variant.

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[Waltz]

Anyone who knows Varrah would know that ‘Versta’ and ‘Akasuna’ are not him just by examining their post(s)----the latter alt seems more like the work of the ‘AC’; and if so should have the better structure in this match.


#MoneysOnSauce.
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[Akasuna]

Anyone who knows Varrah would know that ‘Versta’ and ‘Akasuna’ are not him just by examining their post(s)----the latter alt seems more like the work of the ‘AC’; and if so should have the better structure in this match.


#MoneysOnSauce.
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What are the chances of you believing me if I said I wasn't an alt?

 

[UchihaNagashi]

Guys chill out, there's no serial killer in town. So what if he was an alt? I really don't care much.

 

[Unorthodox]

just let the debate continue Akasuna is becoming one of my favorite members

 

[UchihaNagashi]

Counter; Defensive​

Little does Sasuke know about regular marionettes, and even less about human puppetry. But neglecting that fact, let's assume Sasuke becomes aware of Sasori's weak point; even though it matters a little.​

Spoiler

1) Obviously Sasuke's going to look to sever the strings, however not as straight forward as you believe. As we know, Omoi was able to surprise Sasori and Deidara both with a simple feint. From there Kankuro was able to react and attach his own chakra strings to Sasori's before Sasori could reattach his.

Substitute Sasuke for Omoi in this scenario; Sasuke makes as if he's dashing towards Sasori, yet instead slices the chakra strings. As is axiomatic, once the chakra strings are severed Sasori temporarily loses control of both Sandaime and the Satetsu. Even so, you may claim, Sasori can reattach the chakra strings in little time. Well, an instant or two is all that Sasuke requires [1-2].

2) Obviously the distance between Sandaime and Sasuke is going to be much smaller than in my previously displayed scan, which makes it all the easier to slice the puppet to pieces with either his Kusanagi blade or Chidori Eisō; if the latter is utilized Sasuke doesn't even have to close the distance. He can, in fact, in one swift motion slice the chakra strings and the puppet itself with said Chidori Eisō. No matter how you cut it, Sandaime is subject to a quick defeat.

3) The iron properties of Sasori's Satetsu actually work against him in this scenario. Sasuke's larger Katon [3-4-5] easily possess the heat required to melt the iron and not only make the Satetsu heavy to the point of unusable - while still being on fire - it will also demagnetize it to make it unusable in a different way. Assuming that Sasori is in his Satetsu dome as you suggested, his Satetsu melting would not only trap him under the heavy iron and flame, but melt through his wooden body to the core. The battle can easily be finished there; or similarly, Sandaime will be finished if Sasuke targets him, seeing as you have him being protected in a dome as well. Assuming that's not the case, however...

1) This can be easily countered beforehand. Even Chiyo knew that taking advantage of opponent's arsenal with magnetism would vastly increase your chances in winning [

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]. Obviously, Sasori should think the same and take control of Sasuke's Bukijutsu/Kenjutsu tools. First he has to use Satetsu Shigure as a guided missile, which usually Sasuke counters with Bukijutsu or his Kusanagi [

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]. Those tools are now Sasori's, and can be used for later (if the strategy of yours holds). Obviously it takes time to analyze Sasori's weaknesses f.e heart's location, arsenal etc., even if just a minute. That's all Sasori needs. All he has to do is slightly touch the Kusanagi, just after Sasuke has countered the Shigure, with the Satetsu on his feet. When Sasuke attempts to cut the threads now, the Kusanagi is in Sasori's possession and ih he can even just a centimeter land him to wrong direction like to Sasori's right (he can't use his Chidori Katana to cut up Sasori's core, which can't even really penetrate Satetsu due to electric diffusion/distribution)... you should know. While in enemy territory, I doubt Sasori can't get a simple scratch from just a meter away. There's literally way too many ways for Sasori to kill Sasuke in this scene, no matter how you look at it, like capturing him in Satetsu barrier. So I wouldn't really suggest this.​

2) You should note the fact that the spear is only five meters long. The distance between these two is not five meters. There's also the fact that it's not very fast [

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]. There's also the fact that if inside the shield, the energy based Eisō wouldn't really be able to cut through the sand but would be distributed and charging the rest of the sand (due to conductivity). And if not in the shield, Sandaime is faster than Eisō and would easily retreat nevertheless the fact that it's debatable if it even reaches.​

3) Haha, okay. Chemistry then.

The outer core of the candle flame is light blue; 1670 K (1400 °C). That is the hottest part of the flame. The color inside the flame becomes yellow, orange and finally red. The further you reach to the center of the flame, the lower the temperature will be. The red portion is around 1070 K (800 °C). The reason there is this variation in a candle's flame color is because air convection pulls the warmer gases upwards.

So, iron's melting point is about 2200 °C, while a rock has 1200 °C. Much difference, isn't there. Here Itachi launches a great amount of fire towards Sasuke's location, where he was standing on the roof [

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]. We don't see any significant amount of rock being melted (maybe not even at all), nor does it even have anywhere near high as the melting point of iron. There's also the fact that Sasori can use this as his advantage or do it even himself; he can use the heat and magnetism together to pressure the Satetsu so hard, it gets that density of steel. Much, much harder to penetrate as well as harder to melt. This is more advantageous again to Sasori.

You should also note that if Sasori can magnetize other people's arsenal, what stops him from magnetizing the Satetsu all over again? Not to mention, it's extremely hard to demagnetize a magnet with such low temperature. It would literally have to be red Satetsu after treatment.​

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Counter; Offense​

Spoiler

1) Satetsu and all its offensive variants are tanked by snakes of various sizes [littlesnake-bigsnake]. Either that or they're point blanked dodged [X-X].

2) Refer to directly previous scans on Sasuke evading Deidara's C2. Sasuke's reaction and Shunshin speed >>> Chiyo's ability to control Sakura. The C2 easily dwarfed Sasuke, and yet he still evaded it perfectly fine to the side. I don't see him being caught in any 'jail', however I'll bear with this strategy of yours.

3) Ropebound kunai are dispelled with Chidori Nagashi; if the poison gas gets in his system, Oral Rebirth is a possible option. Sasori's poison is slow acting, designed to kill the opponent over three days. Orochimaru was capable of utilizing Oral Rebirth even when his internal organs were completely obliterated by Kabuto [X-X]. Sasuke can easily utilize the body replacement and guard with a snake before Suna Shigure reaches him.

From there, obviously Sasori has no choice but to bring out his Hundred Puppets. Surprisingly, this makes the battle exponentially easier for Sasuke: as we've seen, he's taken down hundreds of Shinobi without a single scratch. Sasori's hundred puppets, with which he has neither the same control as he does with the Sandaime nor the same attributes, are all easily dodged - considering that a worn out, uncontrolled Sakura was reacting to them. At that point, Sasuke goes for Sasori himself; Modified Chidori Eiso should suffice to finish him once and for all.

1) Mind if I remind you, not all can be evaded [

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]. Even Manda has been pierced easily, I don't see these smaller snakes having much greater durability [

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]. If they are cut, Sasuke is cut as well or even gets a scratch, which is the only thing needed here.

2) Could be, but he was planning to bring down the C2. There's a difference; he doesn't see this coming until it's really coming.

3) No. That's not how Orochimaru's Kawarimi works. As your scan showed, it only replaces organs that are gone; while the lungs are not gone. The poison gas firstly is a blood poisoning venom. It works it's way from lungs, replaces or synchronizes with the oxygen and rides the circulatory system. This process is done in two minutes. He'd need to in two minutes dissect his lungs and then use Kawarimi. Otherwise, he'd need to dissect half of his body which is unlikely to remove all the poison while he's no doctor. After he's inhaled the poison gas, he's confirmed dead in two minutes no matter what he does; if he starts cutting, high chance of suicide as well as he's in battlefield, and if not well shit happens and he might with luck take out Sasori too. If he starts dissecting, Sasori uses his Shigure to attack a wounded Sasuke and harms him even more. There's also the fact that Chidori Nagashi doesn't work as a repulsive force, but just charges the ropebound tools like the rest of his Bukijutsu. That's checkmate.


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• Offense;

1) Sasuke fails to counter poison gas.
2) Hard time fighting both Satetsu and Sandaime at the same time.

• Defense;

1) Sasuke is captured if he attempts direct CQC with magnetized tools.
2) Raiton is not penetrating Satetsu due to diffusion.
2) Katon can't melt it due to low temperature.​

 

[Rιver]

Anyone who knows Varrah would know that ‘Versta’ and ‘Akasuna’ are not him just by examining their post(s)----the latter alt seems more like the work of the ‘AC’; and if so should have the better structure in this match.


#MoneysOnSauce.
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Avarice. Cupidity. Greed.​

 

[shelke]

It's better if we all stick to posts. I don't think it's a conundrum that Vaarah and Co do exploit or rather obscenely abuse Thesaurus. Sometimes, it becomes a toil on the intellectual capacity to ascertain the correct meaning, given the synonyms.

So it shouldn't matter that Vaarah has decided to tread outside the subculture patterns of his group, guised as Akasuna. It's all good.

On topic: How long will this take? You guys have turned this into a tournament.

 

[Bronze]

You all are using similar font to mine. OT: Good debate so far.​

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

MR is the intellectual Jesus. Makes sense why we would all want to emulate him.

The primordial font user, the father of Madara's fan base, King of the andals and the first men, protector of the realm.​

 

[Akasuna]

Will have counter up Monday or early Tuesday.

 

[Varrah]

I don't think it's a conundrum that Vaarah and Co do exploit or rather obscenely abuse Thesaurus.

Why do you think I use a thesaurus? I cannot post the way I do simply because of a prolonged influence by authors I have read? I could not have studied a dictionary or dictionaries out of enjoyment? I cannot enjoy manipulating the many words of the English language such as book, light, and red, to express my thoughts at a particularly instance? Am I not able to enjoy revisiting the various linguistics theories to structure a sentence, to create a better sentence which I believe according to syntacticians? What of tone?​

Sometimes, it becomes a toil on the intellectual capacity to ascertain the correct meaning, given the synonyms.

I think that perhaps it may toil one’s intellectual capacity if I started employing predicate logic or proof theory in my posts, so I do not. I enjoy language, so I fiddle with its contents. I understand what you are saying Shelke, so I watch my wording intensively.​

So it shouldn't matter that Vaarah has decided to tread outside the subculture patterns of his group, guised as Akasuna. It's all good.

Once more: he is not I; If Akasuna agrees, ask an admin to check our IP address.​

 

[UchihaNagashi]

Yeah Varrah, you totally do not use thesaurus, have studied and memorized half of English dictionary, do not possess so many alts so that I'd need 10 hands to count them all. All the formats are also yours, including those you've never used. Yeah guys, let's agree with Varrah. I agree with him, totally.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

I am presently certain that my sentiment suggests that the character that bear the utmost malice toward will be awarded to Danzō Shimura. I prefer all the commonality that appear in the series, approximately xerox and am able to acquiesce with Danzō quite exorbitantly. Despite this predicament, I cannot prefer Danzō traversely to supplementary members of the Naruto Universe Community, as the auxiliary have not (unjustly) committed the atrocious acts that Danzō rapt. I do not regard many of the "Darkness of Shinobi's actions justifiable.'

There's a profound difference between someone that enjoys language, and one that abuses it to feign intelligence, like the quote I just posted.

I enjoy language, so I fiddle with its contents.

Caf.

 

[shelke]

Why do you think I use a thesaurus? I cannot post the way I do simply because of a prolonged influence by authors I have read? I could not have studied a dictionary or dictionaries out of enjoyment? I cannot enjoy manipulating the many words of the English language such as book, light, and red, to express my thoughts at that particularly instance? Am I not able to enjoy revisiting the various linguistics theories to structure a sentence, to create a better sentence which I believe according to syntacticians? What of tone?​

I think that perhaps it may toil one’s intellectual capacity if I started employing predicate logic or proof theory in my posts, so I do not. I enjoy language, so I fiddle with its contents.​

Once more: he is not I; If Akasuna agrees, ask an admin to check our IP address.​

You couldn't tell I was joking around? I never thought it would be easy to ruffle your feathers. I always use such vocabulary or style, either when I am joking or insulting someone. But you haven't come across my posts, hence, it wouldn't be right to rebuke someone for that.

I am partially correct though. I have sometimes observed incorrect usage of words from posters who abuse Thesaurus and it does present an enormous challenge to actually work out the exact meaning behind the bloated endeavour, as Synonyms are words with synonymous meanings, they don't encapsulate sense of the terms. That could be anyone, as I am not plastering any names on anyone. About you two being the same people, then I really don't care. As I said - I joke around sometimes.


Try to remember that next time.

 

[UchihaNagashi]

You couldn't tell I was joking around? I never thought it would be easy to ruffle your feathers. I always use such vocabulary or style, either when I am joking or insulting someone. But you haven't come across my posts, hence, it wouldn't be right to rebuke someone for that.

I am partially correct though. I have sometimes observed incorrect usage of words from posters who abuse Thesaurus and it does present an enormous challenge to actually work out the exact meaning behind the bloated endeavour, as Synonyms are words with synonymous meanings, they don't encapsulate sense of the terms. That could be anyone, as I am not plastering any names on anyone. About you two being the same people, then I really don't care. As I said - I joke around sometimes.


Try to remember that next time.

Dude, you are seriously messed up. A guy who tells others not to use thesaurus is abusing one so hard, damn. Lol