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This is my first thread and i want to be as clear as i can be. If you have any questions please ask once you have finished reading.
Everybody seems to think that there is no counter to Kamui, actually it is a misconception. There are several counters to kamui. I will present it by order and explanation.
Genjutsu:
1. Tsukuyomi (One of the most powerful genjutsu in Naruto manga, All you need is one simple Eye-contact which almost everybody no matter how much you try to look away will make eye-contact e.i :
All that is needed is an eye contact. It does not matter while you were talking, before the fight or during the fight. While the target in this state, the user can control time, space and matter. The user can kill you in a matter of 1 second, the target can't Kamui himself from the real dimension, you have to break the Genjutsu first to do that, since you're trapped in an illusion, even being an Uchiha it would take ATLEAST 2 seconds to break it.
When Itachi fought Kakashi he told Kakashi that only someone with sharingan and kekkei-genkai is needed to break this genjutsu, but breaking it means it still takes time to "break" it, even if it is 1 second or 2 that's all that's needed to stab someone in Narutoverse.
PROOF :
2. Izanami (The user traps the target in a genjutsu, the way to break this genjutsu depends on the target, their past and present but while the target is in this genjutsu, the user can kill him anytime he wants.) Eye contact is not needed for this, since Kabuto shut his eyes completely and was still thrown under this illusion. Infinite Loop
PROOF:
3. Shadow clones, yes shadow clone is one of the most hax jutsu in the naruto universe even though it is a basic jutsu.
All the user has to do is make 1 or 2 shadow clones of himself, and then send just the shadow clones to fight the target. One being the distraction other being the surprise attack. Everyone here knows that Kamui can just absorb someone to kamui deminsion which every shinobi can take advantage of, trick the kamui user into absorbing a clone of yours thinking that its real deal, once the clone is in Kamui dimension.
Now If the target goes intangible, you have a clone who can attack the target in kamui dimension with a simple KUNAI, or a jutsu such as (rasengan, rasenshurikan, fireball jutsu, even ninjutsu attacks fused with chakra, ANYTHING). If the target doesn't go intangible then you can just fight him in real deminsion which again gives you the advantage because the target's only biggest asset is kamui which the was just nullified.
PROOF:
In this chapter, after analyzing Obito's kamui, Kurama seeing that Obito is coming to absorb them with kamui throws Kakashi towards Obito in which results him getting absorbed into kamui dimension, so that Kakashi can attack him from the other side and Naruto from this side. They could have killed him, but Kakashi and Naruto weren't trying to kill Obito. (Talk no Jutsu)
4. FTG : We have already seen how this goes (Minato vs Obito), now only that i believe it was said as long as there is a FTG mark somewhere the user can teleport there, Obito or Kakashi hasn't absorbed a FTG user to kamui dimension to this day in the manga, but if the FTG user has a mark in normal dimension he should be able to teleport back, also could teleport back to kamui land by putting mark somewhere in that dimension and conceal it from vision.
Conclusion:
OPTION 1 & 2 : Now i understand that the first 2 options are for Uchicha only, since only they can use Izanami and Tsukuyomi (If they know how to, but high level shinobi uchichas normally do). with the exception of danzo being able to use an imperfect Izanami.
OPTION 3: this can be done by any good shinobi, DNA does not matter as long as you have great arsenal and can do shadow clones.] I understand that Kamui user can just go back to kamui dimension and destroy the shadow clone(s), but in order to do that he would have to teleport his whole body there, meaning he will lose vision of the real target in Naruto dimension, Meaning his opponent can replenish his chakra, heal or setup more traps. Kamui users also wastes a percentage of his 5 minute intangibility limit (depends on number of clones and how hard of a fight it is).
OPTION 4: This can be done only by those who can use FTG. Known users are Minato and Tobirama only, but Naruto has used it once Movie 6 (road to ninja something).
NOTE : I am only presenting the counters that are known to me, there could be more but I'm not aware of it. If i ever get aware of it, i will post it.
This is my first thread and i want to be as clear as i can be. If you have any questions please ask once you have finished reading.
Everybody seems to think that there is no counter to Kamui, actually it is a misconception. There are several counters to kamui. I will present it by order and explanation.
Genjutsu:
1. Tsukuyomi (One of the most powerful genjutsu in Naruto manga, All you need is one simple Eye-contact which almost everybody no matter how much you try to look away will make eye-contact e.i :
All that is needed is an eye contact. It does not matter while you were talking, before the fight or during the fight. While the target in this state, the user can control time, space and matter. The user can kill you in a matter of 1 second, the target can't Kamui himself from the real dimension, you have to break the Genjutsu first to do that, since you're trapped in an illusion, even being an Uchiha it would take ATLEAST 2 seconds to break it.
When Itachi fought Kakashi he told Kakashi that only someone with sharingan and kekkei-genkai is needed to break this genjutsu, but breaking it means it still takes time to "break" it, even if it is 1 second or 2 that's all that's needed to stab someone in Narutoverse.
PROOF :
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2. Izanami (The user traps the target in a genjutsu, the way to break this genjutsu depends on the target, their past and present but while the target is in this genjutsu, the user can kill him anytime he wants.) Eye contact is not needed for this, since Kabuto shut his eyes completely and was still thrown under this illusion. Infinite Loop
PROOF:
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3. Shadow clones, yes shadow clone is one of the most hax jutsu in the naruto universe even though it is a basic jutsu.
All the user has to do is make 1 or 2 shadow clones of himself, and then send just the shadow clones to fight the target. One being the distraction other being the surprise attack. Everyone here knows that Kamui can just absorb someone to kamui deminsion which every shinobi can take advantage of, trick the kamui user into absorbing a clone of yours thinking that its real deal, once the clone is in Kamui dimension.
Now If the target goes intangible, you have a clone who can attack the target in kamui dimension with a simple KUNAI, or a jutsu such as (rasengan, rasenshurikan, fireball jutsu, even ninjutsu attacks fused with chakra, ANYTHING). If the target doesn't go intangible then you can just fight him in real deminsion which again gives you the advantage because the target's only biggest asset is kamui which the was just nullified.
PROOF:
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In this chapter, after analyzing Obito's kamui, Kurama seeing that Obito is coming to absorb them with kamui throws Kakashi towards Obito in which results him getting absorbed into kamui dimension, so that Kakashi can attack him from the other side and Naruto from this side. They could have killed him, but Kakashi and Naruto weren't trying to kill Obito. (Talk no Jutsu)
4. FTG : We have already seen how this goes (Minato vs Obito), now only that i believe it was said as long as there is a FTG mark somewhere the user can teleport there, Obito or Kakashi hasn't absorbed a FTG user to kamui dimension to this day in the manga, but if the FTG user has a mark in normal dimension he should be able to teleport back, also could teleport back to kamui land by putting mark somewhere in that dimension and conceal it from vision.
Conclusion:
OPTION 1 & 2 : Now i understand that the first 2 options are for Uchicha only, since only they can use Izanami and Tsukuyomi (If they know how to, but high level shinobi uchichas normally do). with the exception of danzo being able to use an imperfect Izanami.
OPTION 3: this can be done by any good shinobi, DNA does not matter as long as you have great arsenal and can do shadow clones.] I understand that Kamui user can just go back to kamui dimension and destroy the shadow clone(s), but in order to do that he would have to teleport his whole body there, meaning he will lose vision of the real target in Naruto dimension, Meaning his opponent can replenish his chakra, heal or setup more traps. Kamui users also wastes a percentage of his 5 minute intangibility limit (depends on number of clones and how hard of a fight it is).
OPTION 4: This can be done only by those who can use FTG. Known users are Minato and Tobirama only, but Naruto has used it once Movie 6 (road to ninja something).
NOTE : I am only presenting the counters that are known to me, there could be more but I'm not aware of it. If i ever get aware of it, i will post it.
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