Black Zetsu is a Truth Seeking Ball.

[Perlmutter]

I'm still thinking about this and I'd like a conversation to help stimulate my thoughts.

The general outline of the idea is this,

• He looks color wise and the way he moves when not attached to anyone/thing is the same as the balls fluidity wise
• He was made by someone with the Sages Senjutsu/Rinnegan
• He came out of Madaras palm and spread as thought emating from his palms, where the truth seeking ball comes from
• Madara said it had his will, that would make sense, as he made a form then put his imagination in it, to make another him

According to

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, which is not an always reputable side, this wiki says its Will Materialization, a ninjutsu which Madara possessed, and says nothing about it being due to the Rinnegan.

What are your thoughts? I'm still deciding how valid this is, but it seems pretty solid to me

 

[Lyke]

Hes wood .

 

[Bronze]

Black Zetsu is physical manifestation from the black rods of the Outer Path. The Outer Path uses Rikudou No Jutsu, and they have been shown to render Ninjutsu useless [

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] as well as combining techniques along with it. To a degree, yes, Black Zetsu or Black Rods are the Onmyoudon; however, its a smaller scale.​

 

[Imperfect]

Madara summarize Black Zetsu as a physical manifestation of his will, plus the technique used to create him, at least on Narutopedia, is listed as either Yin/ Yang Chakra. This doesn't disprove this idea, but Madara only had the Rinnegan at that point, he never had the Sage's Senjutsu. That required being the Juubi's Jinchuriki.

 

[VongolaX]

He's the senjustu of Madara...

Which is basically Inyouton.

Madara was only able to create him because he had senju cells and Gedo mazou attached to him.

That's the sage's chakra (a small portion)

 

[Perlmutter]

Black Zetsu is physical manifestation from the black rods of the Outer Path. The Outer Path uses Rikudou No Jutsu, and they have been shown to render Ninjutsu useless [

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] as well as combining techniques along with it. To a degree, yes, Black Zetsu or Black Rods are the Onmyoudon; however, its a smaller scale.​

Okay, see thats what the whole premise of this is, the fact that Zetsu is rooted in Onmyoudon, and isn't a seperate Jutsu that Madara used.

Now my question for you is this, can Naruto make a Zetsu like him? Imagine if he could and realized he could, since he already has a huge love of kage bunshin, imagine how he'd leap at the chance to make an unkillable clone, because as we've seen, BZ is basically invincible.

Or could he not do it, as he doesn't have the Rinnegan, just the Sages Senjutsu?

 

[Sirajknight]

That seems interesting, i never thought about this

 

[Bronze]

Okay, see thats what the whole premise of this is, the fact that Zetsu is rooted in Onmyoudon, and isn't a seperate Jutsu that Madara used.

Now my question for you is this, can Naruto make a Zetsu like him? Imagine if he could and realized he could, since he already has a huge love of kage bunshin, imagine how he'd leap at the chance to make an unkillable clone, because as we've seen, BZ is basically invincible.

Or could he not do it, as he doesn't have the Rinnegan, just the Sages Senjutsu?

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No, he cannot make a Black Zetsu for several reasons:

1). He does not have the Rinnegan, therefore, he cannot access to the Outer Path.
2). He doesn't know how to utilize Yin based techniques, which are requirments to create a living creature from nothing (Black Zetsu).
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[Perlmutter]

No, he cannot make a Black Zetsu for several reasons:

1). He does not have the Rinnegan, therefore, he cannot access to the Outer Path.
2). He doesn't know how to utilize Yin based techniques, which are requirments to create a living creature from nothing (Black Zetsu).
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Didn't Madara not have the Rinnegan at that point either? Or are we assuming that he can use Rinnegan based abilities, without a Rinnegan, like the whole eyeless Susanoo nonsense?

Also, didn't you just contradict yourself?

"The Outer Path uses Rikudou No Jutsu, and they have been shown to render Ninjutsu useless"

and then you said Naruto couldn't do it, yet Naruto uses the black rods, which are from the outer path

 

[Bronze]

Didn't Madara not have the Rinnegan at that point either? Or are we assuming that he can use Rinnegan based abilities, without a Rinnegan, like the whole eyeless Susanoo nonsense?

He didn't need the Rinnegan, due to unlocking Hagoromo's Chakra, the moment he awakened it. Hagoromo's Chakra consists of Indra and Ashura, plus the fact he connected himself to Gedo Mazo allowing him to even access to its life force to give Zetsu life.​

 

[Fair Warning]

but hes not a ball


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[Perlmutter]

but hes not a ball


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Neither is this, yet it is also a Truth seeking ball

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[BlacLord™]

Naruto Wiki takes all it's information from the manga, and anything anime-based, they explicitly state it as such.

So, unless you're accusing the manga of being unreliable, what's your point?

 

[Zanithe]

.... Please, he's Madara's will. PERIOD.

 

[shelke]

Most probably. It's odd how it has a will of its own - it's will personified. It mimics Madara and has a black visage. It presents Yin chakra.

 

[Perlmutter]

Naruto Wiki takes all it's information from the manga, and anything anime-based, they explicitly state it as such.

So, unless you're accusing the manga of being unreliable, what's your point?

My point is that the wiki does indeed take their information from the source, yet it also has opinion strewn within it, and it makes assumptions, no where in the manga does Madara say Will Materialization no Jutsu, they make pages to cover unknowns, then they delete or add when there is manga proof.

**** there was a time the wiki had Tobi listed and Izuna Uchiha, its a wiki, anyone can make or change things on it.

.... Please, he's Madara's will. PERIOD.

That would make sense, except the zetsu he put it on, gained an arm, meaning it has physical shape, does your will have a physical shape?

 

[Ψ Veritas Ψ]

Black Zetsu is physical manifestation from the black rods of the Outer Path. The Outer Path uses Rikudou No Jutsu, and they have been shown to render Ninjutsu useless [

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] as well as combining techniques along with it. To a degree, yes, Black Zetsu or Black Rods are the Onmyoudon; however, its a smaller scale.​

Approved as legit.

OT: @Perlmutter A Godly Idea my friend. Zetsu was created through the Inyouton Jutsu "Yin/Yang" it is not far to think he would Symbolize Yin and Yang.

White Zetsu was created from Hashirama who represents "the body" and Black Zetsu from madara,who represents the mind. howeve they are really based on Indra and AShura, as those two are merely reincarnations of them.

In this case it leads me to believe that Wood style "Giving life" is also some sort of Inyouton power (aside from being kekkeigenkai) afterall, why hasnt anyone else been able to awaken it?

Anyway Wood style "Yang/Body" = Tree representing Life and Existence = White Zetsu/Hashirama, Truthseeking Black balls "Onmyoudon" (Yin) Negating all Jutsu/Chakra Representing Death/Oblivion. In my view it makes quite a bit sense that Black zetsu is made of "Similar" stuff as those Truth Seeking Balls/Onmyoudon.

 

[patrickscott]

Black Zetsu, well as to just what he is you got me on that one, i don't think he is wood tho.

 

[Bronze]

Dont talk like you already know this about Zetsu. Give credit where it is due.

Credit to who?​

 

[Young Vongola]

I was under the impression that you needed Hagaromo's senjutsu which came from the power of the Jubi (the Jubi being comprised of natural energy) in order to create and utilize truth-seeking balls? The reason Naruto has it is because he has the combined chakra of all 9 biju in him which = power of the Jubi.

Black Zetsu was created with a Rinnegan power, the same used to create the black rods. Madara didn't have any of the Jubi's power or any tailed beasts power at that time. BZ is a chakra rod, not a truth-seeking ball in my opinion.