Infinite tsukuyomi had me thinking about naruto related to spirituality

[EternalKaze7]

[Note: If you are offended and angry at religion especially the Christian religion and doctrine you should probably just leave now or try to see me out without blindly hating me okay?] :bye:

You may not see the world as I do and that's fine, but in my eyes; Everything happens for a >reason< and important because I believe the Naruto manga was written for a greater reason than ordinarily we may think.


Reading this manga is kind of like reading a horoscope to me and ASTROLOGICAL in a sense, in that:

EVERYONE HAS A SPIRIT AND CAPABILITY OF SPIRITUAL CONNECTION

So we read the papers-doctrine (naruto manga) and Kishimoto is the prophet or stargazer writing what HE HAS SEEN and what he feels and what might >BENEFIT and please his readers< whether he is more spiritual than we are it is based on the content given that he is including spiritual and even mythological content in his story which goes to discuss or debate.

(SO YES ASTROLOGY-HOROSCOPES AND EVEN SO CALLED PROPHETIC WRITINGS MAY BE MORE SENSATIONAL AND PERSONAL THAN UNADULTERATED FACT AND NARUTO IS THE BIGGEST EXAMPLE)

So that is why there are people who get a kick out of this manga because it serves the purpose in showing us a PART of the truth and real life things mixed with something sensational and kickass which is quite possible to obtain but NOT REALLY OPEN TO ACHIEVE in our world.




With that said:

It's quite obvious that kishimoto is drawing from the bible, which I know tons about and do study.

However the difference to me with (certainly the prophetic readings of) the Bible and let's say kishimoto or some palm reader

Is that the bible is not a rewrite of some previous writing IT IS ORIGINAL however many things were spoken of as GOING TO HAPPEN in the future but the texts state them as God given information which must be fact opposed to something created by the hands and minds of men as well as importantly MAKING THAT DISTINCTION FROM WHEN THE PROPHET OR ORDINARY PERSON IS EXPERIENCING A VISION AND WHEN GOD HIMSELF IS SPEAKING THROUGH OR TO SOMEBODY.





Now: naruto

The God tree is not the tree of life it is the tree of knowledge (of course)

but for those of you questioning why would God or the unknown creator of the naruto verse allow us to go through evil.... well

To UNDERSTAND the meaning of LIFE, and GOOD,

ONE MUST UNDERSTAND EVIL

AND TO KNOW EVIL YOU MUST

>>EXPERIENCE IT<<

That is why it is called the Tree of KNOWLEDGE OF (BOTH) GOOD AND EVIL rather than the Tree of evil/death

we understand what is good and bad because I see it that we used to only understood GOOD until we ate the fruit of knowledge so we can UNDERSTAND evil, but as a result 'you will surely die' from it and it is a PAINFUL learning experience!


Okay.

Now there is a cutoff when somebody becomes enamored with NOT knowledge... but POWER

certainly Satan is that person in the genesis who is first seen hugging the tree of knowledge

(IN AN ATTEMPT TO REMOVE THE POWER OF THE TREE OF LIFE TO MAKE HUMANS SUSCEPTIBLE TO EVIL AND DEATH FROM THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE)

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JUST LIKE THE GOD TREE IS AN ANCIENT POWER WHICH IS BEING USED TO ENSLAVE PEOPLE THROUGH IT'S >>EVIL ENERGY<<

NOTICE IN THE BIBLE GOD DID NOT SAY "YOU WILL DIE FROM ME CURSING YOU" BUT RATHER IF YOU EAT FROM THAT TREE YE WILL SURELY DIE
(Genesis 2:17-But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.)


GOD WARNED THE WORLD!



And so people's eyes were opened (guess you can relate this to the sharingan) and with evil opened to the world- people began the need to create weapons (or mend chakra) and make war for defense and offense.

so weapons and warring are the physical representation of spiritual powers which we see are only used by spiritual people like Angels or prophets and demons and witches but everyone holds a bit of power in them which may not be too powerful like others.



To me: Naruto and Sasuke are ONE, just like both clans came from the Sage, I wouldn't like to make it sexual or gender related but it is kind of like Naruto is the masculine (light-Yang-Husbandman) and Sasuke is the feminine (Dark-Yin-Bride)

This connection is made countless times in the story and for a better vision let's just say Naruto is light and Sasuke is dark, but both work together TO UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER'S SIDES AND TO RID EVIL.


What I noticed about everyone not under the spell of the infinite tsukuyomi



IS THAT THEY ALL DIED BEFORE AND WERE REBORN WHETHER THROUGH THE EDO TENSEI (KAGES), RINNE TENSEI (KAKASHI) OR FROM THE SAGE (NARUTO & SASUKE), except Sakura of course lol


And in the bible it says that you must be born again through Jesus Christ to have his spiritual power and to live eternally.


With that said: everyone is under that spell and there are only two people on the battlefield that stand any chance.


What you probably overlooked in the Bible is the story about the end times (Revelations) where there are TWO witnesses who preach the truth and quite literally... are on the OFFENSIVE side

THEY USE SPIRITUAL FIRE TO DESTROY ANYONE WHO TRIES TO HURT THEM, AND ANYONE WHO TRIES TO HURT THEM ARE QUITE LITERALLY BURNED TO CRISP!

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Now I can't see anyone who can fit this category of two end times (warrior prophets) who come to save people with the truth except Naruto & Sasuke

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Whether they will die a second time is not the case as Kishimoto is not subliminally or word for word rewriting this story he is just gaining inspiration from SOMETHING

SO YET EVERYONE IS UNDER THE POWER OF THE HYPNOTIC MARK OF THE BEAST- JUST LIKE THE INFINITE TSUKUYOMI

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This is the same exact goal which we've heard over and over that the 'elites' of earth want to do- to be as God controlling people with their power and making people worship ONE MAN- namely Madara in the story of naruto.

NATURALLY MADARA IS THAT OPPOSING EVIL FORCE


And it wouldn't be odd to say that anyone under the infinite tsukuyomi would be DELUDED into hating their helpers Naruto & Sasuke like they hate the two witnesses in the bible but then again they have no control over their own thoughts because

THEY ARE IN COMPLETE HYPNOSIS BY THIS ANTICHRIST BEAST- GOD TREE-MADARA-KAGUYA


Wherever Kishi decides to go from here is up to him but the connections are precise



I think Sasuke is like the infamous guardian of earth,

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he's seen protecting his friends from the infinite tsukuyomi and he's given power to not fall under that spell because his eyes are enlightened, although it seems like he's after his own goals, this can change him to understanding that evil is not the way to live!

while Naruto is the guardian of heaven and righteousness,

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so although he believes he is great at protecting people, he may rely on his power a bit more but that's okay with the right application, while Sasuke relies on precision and making sure EVERYONE can be saved from catastrophe, that's why he undid the edo tensei army and him reviving the Kages through Oro proved to serve his goals of FINDING THE TRUTH and also using them to protect the alliance!

I love this manga guys and the bible too. I'm curious to see what you guys say, have a good one.



Basically I see this story as pseudospiritual and connecting to other real life events whether kishi purposefully or subconsciously did so, and it's interesting.

 

[DanielSturridge]

people will think that this a wall of text upon opening the thread. did u really have to use a giant font to intimidate them even more

 

[EternalKaze7]

people will think that this a wall of text upon opening the thread. did u really have to use a giant font to intimidate them even more

Haha, I do it so people can see the text otherwise it just seems too small to read and might irritate your eyes more. The CAPS are to show points, because I'm writing not speaking ya know.

 

[SolarSpider]

The mind sees what it wants to see/ thread

Also, what did you mean by "Is that the bible is not a rewrite of some previous writing IT IS ORIGINAL "?

 

[EternalKaze7]

The mind sees what it wants to see/ thread

That's awesome, it's true!

 

[EternalKaze7]

The mind sees what it wants to see/ thread

Also, what did you mean by "Is that the bible is not a rewrite of some previous writing IT IS ORIGINAL "?

That is the way I see it, specifically the prophetic pieces in the story are most original, like you really at all won't find weeping humble prophets in japanese or greek mythology and that is the centerfold of the Bible- humble people, however people over the years began to compete with these stories and create their own gods, and whether you think jews are crazy money hungry people who must have changed the entire story to enslave humanity is not how I see it, there were good people in the bible alongside many bands of evil men who wished to take them down but by God's grace many things are preserved.

Why do you think the bible says if you change the words that are in it you are in danger of eternal fire? Because it WILL happen and it is another warning if you choose to be such a disgraceful person to do so.

 

[mukund69]

Basically naruto manga is bind to HINDU and BUDDHIST mythology

 

[EternalKaze7]

Basically naruto manga is bind to HINDU and BUDDHIST mythology

Yes it is from the perspective of the hindu-buddhist mindset which entangles in pretty much all religions and mythologies.

 

[Zen Uchiha]

omg such a long thread but nice

 

[vasu 32]

BIBLE ORIGINAL !!?? Sorry but you lost me there. A piece of writing written by a human just 2014 or so years ago is original when the human civilization started writing around 3200 BCE? As a matter of fact, the first very large religious text was Vedas and other that times Indian texts and "The Gita" which was said to be spoken by Krishna to Arjuna on the battlefield (in the year 3138 BCE) which was credited to be written by Lord Ganesha, originally as by Hinduism Beliefs. As for Scholars they think that it may have been written around 200-500 BCE. As a matter of Indian history Puranas are true records of our glorious past. When the English first came to India they were shocked to find that if the dates given in our Puranas were true, Indian civilization pre-dated theirs by thousands of years. They refused to accept the fact that a glorious civilization flourished in India at a time when in Europe, they were still scurrying around like barbarians clothed in skins and carrying crude weapons. Thus they labelled as myth all historical evidences in the Hindu scriptures especially in the Puranas.

Anyway I mean no harm to what you believe and thus I respect your opinion but not gonna buy it that Bible is Original so just respect mine. I believe that the GITA is much more original as it was written before and definitely no other such writing existed before it, if you were to believe in Indian historians. The origin of humanity as described in Hinduism feels as if it inspired other major religions someway,especially the part where god creates 2 human, man and woman,they mess up and he banishes them to earth, though here he created them to exist in earth.

As for what I believe, I think Naruto tells us how Religions are made. Tell the story of Naruto 2000 years ago,and we would be believing him as real.

 

[EternalKaze7]

BIBLE ORIGINAL !!?? Sorry but you lost me there. A piece of writing written by a human just 2014 or so years ago is original when the human civilization started writing around 3200 BCE? As a matter of fact, the first very large religious text was Vedas and other that times Indian texts and "The Gita" which was said to be spoken by Krishna to Arjuna on the battlefield (in the year 3138 BCE) which was credited to be written by Lord Ganesha, originally as by Hinduism Beliefs. As for Scholars they think that it may have been written around 200-500 BCE. As a matter of Indian history Puranas are true records of our glorious past. When the English first came to India they were shocked to find that if the dates given in our Puranas were true, Indian civilization pre-dated theirs by thousands of years. They refused to accept the fact that a glorious civilization flourished in India at a time when in Europe, they were still scurrying around like barbarians clothed in skins and carrying crude weapons. Thus they labelled as myth all historical evidences in the Hindu scriptures especially in the Puranas.

Anyway I mean no harm to what you believe and thus I respect your opinion but not gonna buy it that Bible is Original so just respect mine. I believe that the GITA is much more original as it was written before and definitely no other such writing existed before it, if you were to believe in Indian historians. The origin of humanity as described in Hinduism feels as if it inspired other major religions someway,especially the part where god creates 2 human, man and woman,they mess up and he banishes them to earth, though here he created them to exist in earth.

As for what I believe, I think Naruto tells us how Religions are made. Tell the story of Naruto 2000 years ago,and we would be believing him as real.

Interesting, I understand what you're saying. In my idea, we did not all originate closer to India but rather closer to Egypt and North Africa and I'm quite sure this is scientifically and historically a traceable fact, and then that is when we migrated into those areas like India. Naturally Indian historians-scholars are going to defend their home religion before others as would Arabic or Israelic people and always try to distinguish themselves from other people. Which is true, we do not all have the same ancestors unless you go way back, before people branched away. So people changed or they abandoned one teaching taught or not taught by their parents for another and also who is to say that we all followed the same God or Lord from the beginning? The bible still has countless original stories that you will NOT find in lets say the Vedas. Not only that but I believe the fact that you worship one God the sole creator alone and no other created spirit or man is a true teaching. I also think it is ridiculous to say that whichever story was 'estimated' by some historians to predate the other must be the true one in my eyes. After all they are scholars or historians who do not know everything and are bound to bias.

I would not believe a historian or any person over the text itself and decide where your belief or faith rests. Dates and genealogies are not always fact, people change, and the New testament of the bible warns against believing the many other Jewish tales or fables of the time which were clearly separate from the first 5 books of the bible and prophetic books which line with each other. Regardless if those teachings may stretch back to the beginning of times because there was always some form of evil and darkness which quite honestly shouldn't be dabbled with.

As far as naruto goes, I think whoever these characters represent may subconsciously be fulfilling something prophetic, and multiple religions show certain heroes in their own lens or looking glass. So these characters could be Christ-ian or Hindu but of course we really don't know, but I have a problem when they mix multiple gods together and on top of that claim that we should worship them even if they are apparently evil like khali or whoever because I'm not going to just worship satan because he's contained in the text, he does not give eternal protection of the soul, because he is a devil. I'm not saying Hindus do this but they almost do it seems.

 

[EternalKaze7]

omg such a long thread but nice

I'm glad you thought it was nice

 

[vasu 32]

Interesting, I understand what you're saying. In my idea, we did not all originate closer to India but rather closer to Egypt and North Africa and I'm quite sure this is scientifically and historically a traceable fact, and then that is when we migrated into those areas like India. Naturally Indian historians-scholars are going to defend their home religion before others as would Arabic or Israelic people and always try to distinguish themselves from other people. Which is true, we do not all have the same ancestors unless you go way back, before people branched away. So people changed or they abandoned one teaching taught or not taught by their parents for another and also who is to say that we all followed the same God or Lord from the beginning? The bible still has countless original stories that you will NOT find in lets say the Vedas. Not only that but I believe the fact that you worship one God the sole creator alone and no other created spirit or man is a true teaching. I also think it is ridiculous to say that whichever story was 'estimated' by some historians to predate the other must be the true one in my eyes. After all they are scholars or historians who do not know everything and are bound to bias.

I would not believe a historian or any person over the text itself and decide where your belief or faith rests. Dates and genealogies are not always fact, people change, and the New testament of the bible warns against believing the many other Jewish tales or fables of the time which were clearly separate from the first 5 books of the bible and prophetic books which line with each other. Regardless if those teachings may stretch back to the beginning of times because there was always some form of evil and darkness which quite honestly shouldn't be dabbled with.

As far as naruto goes, I think whoever these characters represent may subconsciously be fulfilling something prophetic, and multiple religions show certain heroes in their own lens or looking glass. So these characters could be Christ-ian or Hindu but of course we really don't know, but I have a problem when they mix multiple gods together and on top of that claim that we should worship them even if they are apparently evil like khali or whoever because I'm not going to just worship satan because he's contained in the text, he does not give eternal protection of the soul, because he is a devil. I'm not saying Hindus do this but they almost do it seems.

Isee. Btw, I just like to study every religious mythical stories. Some were actually found to be the real history of human civilization while some were still in the cloud of myths. Eitherway,the fact that they survived the current of time, say Prophet Muhammad[570 CE], Jesus[2014 years back], Gautum Buddha[Born between 563 BCE to 483 BCE], Mahavir[540 BCE], Lord Krishna[19th July 3228BC], Lord Rama[10th january 5114 BCE -calculated by scholar Mr.Pushker Bhatnagar,applying planetorium software],etc. says in itself that they have to be real. Myths seriously don't survive more than 100-200 years at max,talk about 1000s of years times.

Nowyour claim of people will always tell their religious myth right. Well in a way it's true to a certain degree, but we all know that when it comes to historians,archaeologists,scientists,etc. they need proof to believe in things. They just don't blindly believe in them. Using latest planetorium and other modern softwares,applying the modern concept of cosmology and other resources,scholars came to exact proof that the war of Mahabharat was real. When people say India,what they don't get is that it wasn't India back then. This "India" is the curse or gift,however you take it,of the Britishers when they first came here. It was called BHARAT in those times,which in todays world would be the combination of SAARC countries, Half or more China,Tibet, and many small other regions. It was a kind of World War which destroyed everything from technology to morals. The "Brahmastra" as mentioned in the tales of Mahabharat and Ramayan was sort of Nuclear Weapons of today,if you were to relate the description of those attacks in the literatures. It was written in Vedas or Puranas that the planets revolve around Sun. Kinda very interesting of how they were able to figure that out. The distance between sun,moon,and earth is also their,ofcourse with different numerical system. Not to mention the very time scale,was on COSMIC LEVEL and dependent on the motion of 7 planets of our solar system, the time scale known as "Yuga". This is the 4th Yuga ,Kaliyuga,we are living in. It is very interesting phenomenon of when Yuga changes. It does,when all the planets are in straight line. In 16-20 century,the britishers did learned of this fact from Puranas but directly neglected it calling it a myth,saying it just can't happen as all planets revolve in different orbits and all, and not to mention it was against Bible, but only in 21st century after the invention of modern concepts and softwares,this was actually turned into a fact.

Well,I can give you the article which relates the modern science techniques to prove that Mahabharat actually is a true history,and not a myth,if you want.