[VS] Tobirama(Alive) vs. Minato(Alive)

[Touken]

Gudodama erases everything upon contact. At full speed, armless Minato was able to

1- Catch the gudodamas
2- Teleport
3- Remove his jacket

All that before the instantaneous erasing effects of gudodamas managed to do anything

Kibakufuda requires

1- Throw of the explosive tags
2- Summoning of other explosive tags
3- Detonating of the jutsu
4- Continous explosion

And the explosive tags explosion has been shown to be 3 times slower than Minato's reaction speed

Even in a surprise attack(only scenario where it's actually useful), it's never landing

With knowledge, it loses his purpose. Tobirama needs to stay away before casting the jutsu. The moment Tobirama would try his jutsu he would know and be prepared to dodge, counter or even redirect it on Tobirama anytime. Besides, Minato could also contract seal them and Tobirama loses any control on them, and if the edos hate Tobirama, they may actually help Minato instead .

Throwing toads water/oil on them may possibly also stop any type of jutsu they could possibly cast. The Kibakufuda is far from being an actual factor as some people really think it to be. There are many ways to counter this jutsu

-He teleported upon contact. Don't see how that's relevant here.

-It requires a thought process to teleport.

-The Truth-Seeker Orbs do nothing once they're 70 metres away from the user.

-Throwing, summoning and detonating of the explosive tags can be done before Tobirama teleports the Edo. The continuous explosion is nigh instant. Tobirama can decide to throw multiple tagged kunai or he could teleport the Edo to any of his Shadow Clones right before it explodes, and since Minato doesn't know where the Edo is going to be teleported to, he has no way of countering this method.

He doesn't need to stay away from the Edo considering the explosion only goes in one direction. I doubt he'd be able to use his Contract Seal on them since they're practically suicide bombers, except they're dead. Throwing water/oil won't be possible considering Tobirama can move his Edo to any seal or to himself.

xD, the Edo shinobi won't be much good since they're really weak and are only designed to blow up (only with Tobirama's Edo).

I never mentioned ma or pa. I only said frogs.

Assumption a) minato is marked with tobirama's harishin or near one of his few jump spots
B) that he has an edo available.

-He doesn't need to be near his jump spots due to GK's large blast radius and size, and the fact that it continues to go forward for several metres.

-Riiight.

I mean if you're gonna use hypothetical summons I might as well give minato infinite sm

I'm sorry, are you being serious here?

 

[Gold Lightning]

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U_U

 

[BenjerminGaye]

-He doesn't need to be near his jump spots due to GK's large blast radius and size, and the fact that it continues to go forward for several metres.

-Riiight.

I'm sorry, are you being serious here?

With minato's given speed feats yes he does. Or the blast gets casually outpaced.

So you don't know if he has an Edo accessible to him. Instead you just assume he does. Despite knowing that there's techniques and sealing methods that can keep/break the summoned from the summoner. Yet you ask if I'm being serious? Lol

 

[Touken]

With minato's given speed feats yes he does. Or the blast gets casually outpaced.

So you don't know if he has an Edo accessible to him. Instead you just assume he does. Despite knowing that there's techniques and sealing methods that can keep/break the summoned from the summoner. Yet you ask if I'm being serious? Lol

Err, no, he isn't outpacing the explosion once it's set off.

Why on Earth would there not be an Edo accessible to him when no Uchiha at that time had displayed sealing methods? Also, how on Earth would it be possible to seal the Edo when it can explode at will? Honest to God. You'd have to be an idiot to get close to one of Tobirama's Edo shinobi.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Err, no, he isn't outpacing the explosion once it's set off.

Why on Earth would there not be an Edo accessible to him when no Uchiha at that time had displayed sealing methods? Also, how on Earth would it be possible to seal the Edo when it can explode at will? Honest to God. You'd have to be an idiot to get close to one of Tobirama's Edo shinobi.

Err yes he's having no problem outpacing that.

He didn't display edos at that time.... u don't even know if he had it yet.

They sealed deidara... so it's quite possible.

Your still unable to tell me the name I see.
Relying on abilities he may or may not have.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

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He had Edoes at one point.

Imo, they're probably sealed within that gourd that Kin and Gin used.

 

[Touken]

Err yes he's having no problem outpacing that.

He didn't display edos at that time.... u don't even know if he had it yet.

They sealed deidara... so it's quite possible.

Your still unable to tell me the name I see.
Relying on abilities he may or may not have.

lol, I'm done. So done.

 

[Penguin]

I know that already but it still requires prep time when Minato can rapidely cover ranges with his prep kunais

If worse comes to worse, Tobirama can just deflect Minato's kunai with his own. I mean it really isn't that hard.

Because
1- Minato arrived first
2- Had time to circle around an island level animal size to put tags
3- Run mid ocean to put another mark and come back
4- Teleport a blast there and had a lil chat with Sakura, Naruto and co

So? Tobirama came with the rest of the Hokage. He kept pace with Hiruzen and they sent Minato first. Minato would have outran Tobirama anyway, but not to an extreme extent if Tobirama went at his max pace.
Because Tobirama kept up with Hiruzen. And Kaaant makes a good point.
Again, he stayed with Hiruzen.

The gap in their speed was clearly shown

Never did I deny it. But you think the gap is exponential. It isn't.

I'm not talking about Tobirama's genius. I already know he is a genius for creating these incredible techniques. However i'm more questioning their purpose. In the end like i've said, edo tensei did more bad things than worse things. Regardless if he is the one who caused it or not, like Orochimaru and Hashirama said, it's a technique that should have never been created. And what do you mean about help he received for the 2 save? Once again, i'm talking about their feats in this war. Minato saved the shinobi world against Jubi's bijudama without help. He saved again the shinobi world against Jubito's bijudama+barrier, both of which he received praise from Tobirama.

Being a genius is an accomplishment though? Don't question the purpose if you have not seen him use it. You are basing Orochimaru and Kabuto's motives to Tobirama. We don't know why he made Edo Tensei. Without the Edo Hokage or Naruto, Minato wouldn't have been able to teleport all those people away. He needed help. All of the Hokage saved important ninja throughout this war. They both praise each other because they respect each other.

I didn't even count his past save like being responsible in Konoha's victory during wars, saving Konoha against the nine tails and masked guy along with many others like stopping Kumo to capture the nine tails. I was just talking about their war feats. As a Hokage i already know Tobirama did better things but we can't really compare both there considering Minato didn't even reign that long for us to compare their accomplishments

Agreed.

When did Tobirama react to this form of Jubito? I don't remember. Besides, you realise he attacked to use the level3 right? Yet he didn't manage to use it simply because Jubito suddenly attacked him. You can even notice the difference in placement between Jubito's arm one page before to realise he is the one who moved his arm forward to attack. Minato on the other before attacking seemed surprised by Jubito's sudden transformation(the "???" is put to emphasise it)

It seems I was wrong about Tobirama reacting to a direct attack from Rikudobito. But Tobirama reacted to Minato's Hiraishin and vice versa, giving them nigh instant reactions. Obito was standing still and saw Minato charging him. Obito then raised his staff in defense, and Minato clashed with it, having his kunai break and arm torn.

Depends on what you mean by holding a candle. We're arguing if the battle would happen the same like it did with Tobirama and i'm saying that nothing leads me to believe it would have considering Minato is faster, is a better FTG user and possess SM himself. The fight could have easily go differently and considering they never fought, we can't establish it like a fact. Kishi decided to use Minato to show off JJ Madara's power instead for a reason

It would have been exactly the same. Minato is faster in shunshin speed, but nothing leads us to believe he is a faster striker. FTG is better via teleporting groups and barriers. Sage Mode would have done nothing for him. Minato is still alive to see Naruto's progression, that is the reason. Tobirama fell to Madara early due to Tobirama wanting to avenge his brother and taking advantage of Madara's lack of concentration.

 

[Inert Brian]

Tobirama already admitted inferiority when it came to FTG.

What else would really matter in this kind of fight?

Minato > Tobirama.

+ Minato has the cqc jutsu (rasengan) that goes with FTG, what does Tobirama have? Water style? Like that's going to hit an FTG user like Minato.

Edo Tensei cannot be counted because:

1. Tobirama stated he used it as spying

2. We don't know what edos he has, we can't give Tobirama fan fic power.

 

[A v i]

It would have been exactly the same. Minato is faster in shunshin speed, but nothing leads us to believe he is a faster striker. FTG is better via teleporting groups and barriers. Sage Mode would have done nothing for him. Minato is still alive to see Naruto's progression, that is the reason. Tobirama fell to Madara early due to Tobirama wanting to avenge his brother and taking advantage of Madara's lack of concentration.

I don't think it would be much of a difference even if one of them is better than the other.