Another View of Chapter 677

[Jimihendrix]

I didn't read. Sasuke saved Naruto from IT

 

[Naestro]

Your just a Naruto fanboy, that can't accept the fact that Sasuke can do something that Naruto can't, like i said, Naruto doesn't always have to be the star of every chapter, sometimes other characters need shine as-well, Naruto was the star of mostly the whole entire war, so why are you so butthurt that sasuke got a chance to be the team player for once?

I don't think you understand what he's trying to do, You yourself are bringing your personal beliefs and emotions to this thread, He is clearing a misconception objectively through analysis and not to mention his analysis is right. It is Sasuke's belief that Naruto is not immuned to IT. No one else has stated this but Sasuke which again is an assumption on Sasuke's part. We'll just have to wait and see if it is true.

By the way, just to clarify my view. I do not care who gets more attention Naruto or Sasuke, I just like to enjoy the anime and manga without misconceptions thrown around by false claims. If Sasuke gets more positive attention good for him, same for Naruto.

I also forgot to give an advice, DO NOT insult anyone for their analysis or views. It does not help you or him, if you do not approve of his analysis; 1. Either present a counter analysis/argument or 2. Or just tell them that you do not approve of his analysis and will wait and see what happens in the manga.

Insults results in toxicity in the community which in turn makes the community as a whole toxic. Perfect Example = League of Legends.

 

[Naestro]

I didn't read. Sasuke saved Naruto from IT

Please do not comment on any thread next time if you didn't read the thread created, because it beats the purpose. This man did not spend 20 or so minutes of his life writting his analysis just so you could come and give 0 value to his writting and then to write something completely ignorant.

Just to be clear, Sasuke did not save naruto from It. Sasuke thinks he saved naruto from IT, it is still not clear weither Naruto is immune to IT or not. We should just wait and see what happens next in the manga.

 

[Byakugan12x]

I don't think you understand what he's trying to do, You yourself are bringing your personal beliefs and emotions to this thread, He is clearing a misconception objectively through analysis and not to mention his analysis is right. It is Sasuke's belief that Naruto is not immuned to IT. No one else has stated this but Sasuke which again is an assumption on Sasuke's part. We'll just have to wait and see if it is true.

By the way, just to clarify my view. I do not care who gets more attention Naruto or Sasuke, I just like to enjoy the anime and manga without misconceptions thrown around by false claims. If Sasuke gets more positive attention good for him, same for Naruto.

I also forgot to give an advice, DO NOT insult anyone for their analysis or views. It does not help you or him, if you do not approve of his analysis; 1. Either present a counter analysis/argument or 2. Or just tell them that you do not approve of his analysis and will wait and see what happens in the manga.

Insults results in toxicity in the community which in turn makes the community as a whole toxic. Perfect Example = League of Legends.

The problem is, which is the point which people make when they disagree with him is that he isn't being objective, objectiveness is the smokescreen for the views he claims. His views are clearly subjective which he should own up to because it can be seen, just like how the possibility of sasuke being right is a possibility yet this is not explored, he summed that bit up by claiming its fan boys/girls who are suggesting it.

Due to the fact that kabuto who has snake senjutsu was caught in IT and this can be inferred by tobimara saying why isn't it affecting me? Along with my previous criticism of naruto overestimating his power is clearly not explored but focusing on sasuke belief and that sasuke can't be right, though his battle sense has received praise by a lot of people friend and enemy alike, is clearly being objective isn't it?

Lastly, everyone should know that name calling is what people do on this forum, its a little banter, it isn't supposed to be serious. Don't get me wrong there are trolls and other really offensive things said but if its really bad report it to the mods and move on, this stuff is fine and is what people do in a community.

 

[BakaaNaruto]

Unlike you guys who lose your logic due to unreasonable fanboysm, I always examine every possibilities. Besides, when I make a thread, I usually take time to analyze as many view as possible. In my OP, I even noted the fact that Sasuke knows about IT, and that his belief that Naruto will be caught in it is founded.

Now, should I respect your above post? Well, I think you tried, but your bias is huge from miles away. First, I want you to make a difference between comedy in a series, and serious facts. Second, you need to understand that being surprised that a stronger version of something you have beaten before is not stupid. See, when Naruto fought Obito, Obito was convinced that Naruto was caught by his chains, but Naruto undid them, Naruto even grabbed the chains when Obito used them against Killer bee to free him. Naruto was able to free himself from Madara's wooden dragon. Thus, from all these fact, he could launch an attack in BM without worrying about the chakra chain. I call it being surprised by a sudden unknown power up of the enemy. See here for example:

Naruto surprised by the power of Madara's chains

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Madara surprised by a sudden power up of Naruto, and almost died here.

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As you can see, a sudden power up of someone or something you have already defeated has nothing to do with being stupid. Your analysis is not only biased, but it show clearly that you are one of the people who spend their time convincing each other that Naruto is stupid, or weak. Clearly, you need to make yourself blind to believe that. In this manga, there is goofy Naruto and ready to kick Naruto.

Well, I forgot this one.

Do you think Sasuke was stupid here? Was he overconfident of his power? Do you remember that he got kicked by blind Madara before this, and attacked confidently Rinnegan Madara?

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See, after the above chapter was release, I spent a week using logic to prove that Sasuke was really stabbed and was about to die. However, none of you believed. Even today, some of you actually think Sasuke has a Jutsu that can bind Madara in his current state. I think you are the one who is failing to see the order of power in the series. Besides, there is a generally expressed desire from Sasuke's fandom to believe that Naruto is the one who need to be saved by Sasuke, and any idea that goes against it is bashed. I bet you will all be bashing the series next week when Kishi shows Naruto's new moves.




What are you saying? Why are you guys desperate about comparing Naruto and Sasuke?

See, I don't care about what Sasuke has. Rather, I am using the right way to read and interpret what you read. In chapter 677, Sasuke did not save Naruto. Rather, Sasuke think Naruto needs to be save. Unless Kishi confirms that what Sasuke said is true, my argument is valid. In fact, you are the one who is bent on seeing Sasuke do something that Naruto cannot do when actually, there are many ways to dispel a genjutsu, especially for a skilled and powerful shin obi such as Naruto.

Besides, I am impressed by all of you that think that hiding cowardly under a Susanoo in fear of a genjutsu or Limbo shadow will be something Naruto can do when his friend are dying. See, you failed to understand the manga. While Sasuke can save himself and live alone after the death of everyone, Naruto cannot do that.

For now, we agree to disagree. Your argument against my argument, and we will see next week.

Holy mother of counters. This shut down any/every Queen Sasuke fanboy out there. Those not even aware of this thread had their jimmies rustled too. You got to understand, the majority of the Sasuke fanbase here are little kids who have to use the dictionary to comprehend any sort of objective analysis.

side note to think about: madara has his shadows outside that only Naruto can fight in numbers, so does this mean that naruto is going to stay inside susano the rest of the manga kids?

Side note: madara is alive and outside, does this mean he's just going to sit there and look at susano shelter Naruto and the main resistance of the army?

herp derp, I dont think Naruto is going be under susano the rest of the manga.....Nor does anyone believe sasuke has a chance against madara without Naruto doing most of the work (as always).

so lets just lol and wait for sasuke fans to be shutdown next chapter...as always, Sasuke undermines Naruto's overwhelming change since the season 1, and till this day sasuke is in naruto's shadow. Refer back to Jubito arc for most recent examples

one last thing....is sasuke going to defend against the shadows and madara while his susano covers them in an awkward position? Or do you believe that the 4 hokages are going to some how create an opening for the next several chapters? Only logical way to do that would be to stop the IT which shouldn't end until the user has died. Yeah its very much like kishi to end the war with the 4 hokages finishing madara and not displaying the new power boast of the main character Naruto or the guy in his shadows (sasuke).

got to love some objective analysis sasuke fanboys. had to log in and give thanks to op. =D=D

 

[Incendiary]

I usually like well-thought out threads, but this one just has too many flaws and speculations not supported. Let me clear things up.

As it has become customary, any single action from Sasuke tend to be blown by his fandom without further interpretation. The reason why they think Naruto will be affected by IT is in the following panel.

Here, Sasuke asserts that without his Susanoo Shelter, Naruto will be put under genjutsu. Of course, given that Sasuke went to Konoha with Tobi after obtaining MS or EMS, and also with Orochimaru, Sasuke know about the IT. Thus, he would be inclined to believe that any regular person will be caught into the eternal Genjutsu. The question is: Is Naruto a regular person, or a regular Shinobi?

So, besides just going against logic, what is your reason for Naruto being "immune" to IT? I did not see it anywhere.

As you can see, Naruto was able to sense Hinata's call.

No. I cannot see. I did not think that was the case or thought about that until I saw NaruHina shippers on NB point it out. I do not believe Naruto heard Hinata. Naruto was moving because he saw people being enveloped in strange stuff. It was his normal reaction. Sasuke stopped him because the same would happen to Naruto if he were not under Susanoo.

What evidence do you have that it would be otherwise? Maybe a slight chance of being resistant because he can be in Kyuubi mode, but really, how likely is that, if even Kurama was controlled by Madara with a regular Sharingan? This is a fact. Kurama is not immune to the Sharingan. Why would Naruto suddenly be?

Plus, there is a reason Sasuke was given a Rinnegan. They have two halves of the same power, but it's not the same power. They are meant to complement each other. This is why I think your theory is even more unlikely.

Therefore, Sasuke's soluton is not a good one. There will be no chance, because Madara is not going to cancel it. As the name said, it is an eternal genjutsu.

What does that prove? "Every jutsu has a weakness," said the great Itachi Uchiha. :O

Sasuke is still acting out of fear and misunderstanding of Naruto's power!

Wrong again. He is not misunderstanding his power. He knows when and when it shouldn't be applied. Naruto did a lot of good things already with the bijushuriken, etc, but now it is Sasuke's turn to protect them. Have you forgotten Chapter 671?

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Another thing I noted in chapter 677 is that Naruto is the one who has powers that get the job done. After spending one chapter in cutting the chubaku tensei boulder, Sasuke did not change anything.

So... who is acting like a fanboy now?

Anyway, I hope you guys realize how biased this thread is.

 

[Honord Sage]

The hole series from the beginning has ben to show how Naruto has won the trust of others made them see Him as an equal. Its ben a hard road for Naruto to walk. Now with the exception of Sasuke everybody else is bellow Naruto who still teats them as equals. Now Sasuke on the other hand had believed Himself to the superior of all because He is an Uchiha and its hard for Him to accept that their is an equal in Naruto He is slowly coming to realize Naruto is His Equal.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Now It's Sasuke fapboys turn to try to disapprove this.

I'd love to agree with this, but sadly, OT is giving the speech. It is his burden to prove his words.

 

[so12p]

That's a lot of speculation.

It is, but really not as much as the suckske fanboys jumping in hours after the current chapter was released claiming that it proved that suckske would be the one to defeat Madara and save everyone.

Sasuke saved them, just give it a rest, Naruto doesn't always have to be the star of everything

I didn't read. Sasuke saved Naruto from IT

Slow down there, fanboys. Suckske has not saved anyone yet. IT has only started and if you read the OP closely and objectively, you will see he is correct that there is no indication yet whether or not Naruto is affected by IT or possibly could not get out of it.

 

[Naestro]

The problem is, which is the point which people make when they disagree with him is that he isn't being objective, objectiveness is the smokescreen for the views he claims. His views are clearly subjective which he should own up to because it can be seen, just like how the possibility of sasuke being right is a possibility yet this is not explored, he summed that bit up by claiming its fan boys/girls who are suggesting it.

Due to the fact that kabuto who has snake senjutsu was caught in IT and this can be inferred by tobimara saying why isn't it affecting me? Along with my previous criticism of naruto overestimating his power is clearly not explored but focusing on sasuke belief and that sasuke can't be right, though his battle sense has received praise by a lot of people friend and enemy alike, is clearly being objective isn't it?

Lastly, everyone should know that name calling is what people do on this forum, its a little banter, it isn't supposed to be serious. Don't get me wrong there are trolls and other really offensive things said but if its really bad report it to the mods and move on, this stuff is fine and is what people do in a community.

Well I read the exact same thread that you read and i did not detect any as you may call "fanboism" in his post, He wanted to clear a misconception that people or Sasuke "fanboys" as you say have created. I read the manga 677 and i read this guy's thread.
Knowing what is written in both things it leads me to believe 1: Sasuke is assuming that Naruto is not immuned. 2: I have not yet seen a panel where it shows Kabuto is under the genjutsu, you cannot compare Kabuto's eyes to the baby&mother who are sleeping and caught in genjutsu because any bright light can go through normal eye lids, but Kabuto's eyes are completely shut which he hiimself said that no light can penetrate it in fight against itachi and sasuke. Therefore the chances of Kabuto not being under IT is there and should not be denied.

Like i said, even though i am a neutral party in this community. Seeing 1000x threads about this subject alone i had to do my thinking and research which only led me to believe that. Don't mind me i will write this in capital alphabets because it's important.

SASUKE IS ASSUMING THAT NARUTO IS NOT IMMUNE TO ETERNAL-TSYUKOMI, NO ONE ELSE. We cannot compare kabuto to naruto either because kabuto does not have 9 tails in him, he does not have Sage's chakra or Ashura's chakra in him either.

My best advice is that we wait and see, it's only 1 or 2 chapters before all of this is cleared. Patience my friend Patience.

 

[Conspirator.]

Well I read the exact same thread that you read and i did not detect any as you may call "fanboism" in his post, He wanted to clear a misconception that people or Sasuke "fanboys" as you say have created. I read the manga 677 and i read this guy's thread.
Knowing what is written in both things it leads me to believe 1: Sasuke is assuming that Naruto is not immuned. 2: I have not yet seen a panel where it shows Kabuto is under the genjutsu, you cannot compare Kabuto's eyes to the baby&mother who are sleeping and caught in genjutsu because any bright light can go through normal eye lids, but Kabuto's eyes are completely shut which he hiimself said that no light can penetrate it in fight against itachi and sasuke. Therefore the chances of Kabuto not being under IT is there and should not be denied.

Like i said, even though i am a neutral party in this community. Seeing 1000x threads about this subject alone i had to do my thinking and research which only led me to believe that. Don't mind me i will write this in capital alphabets because it's important.

SASUKE IS ASSUMING THAT NARUTO IS NOT IMMUNE TO ETERNAL-TSYUKOMI, NO ONE ELSE. We cannot compare kabuto to naruto either because kabuto does not have 9 tails in him, he does not have Sage's chakra or Ashura's chakra in him either.

My best advice is that we wait and see, it's only 1 or 2 chapters before all of this is cleared. Patience my friend Patience.

Kabuto is under the genjutsu obviously, as when Tobirama said "What's wrong" no one responded. Tobirama also wondered "why doesn't it work on me" If kabuto was immune, he would not have chosen those words. ANd until proven otherwise, only sasuke's rinegan is immune to the genjutsu.(and edos)

 

[narutoblitz]

Hilarious rationalizations by pathetic, desperate fanboys. LOL

Thanks OP, I needed a morning laugh.

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I agree on one thing. Sasuke isn't saving anyone except himself and Naruto. He realizes that it's a temporary solution at best. Sasuke has not saved them -- he has resolved to let the entire alliance die to the Shin Tree Why? Because it's the best tactical option they have.

It shows he's not immature and impulsive like Naruto. In war, you cannot save everyone.

 

[NaruSasuRival]

The problem is, which is the point which people make when they disagree with him is that he isn't being objective, objectiveness is the smokescreen for the views he claims. His views are clearly subjective which he should own up to because it can be seen, just like how the possibility of sasuke being right is a possibility yet this is not explored, he summed that bit up by claiming its fan boys/girls who are suggesting it.

What does it mean to be objective? Roughly speaking, this means to give an accurate account or interpretation of the matter without mixing unnecessary or personal biases. Now, in the case of my thread, the title says Another view of chapter 677. Why?

Because it has become customary in the forums to see 1000 of thread that throw a one-line OP without any explanation or logic. The over view of chapter 677 were already given, and they have stated what you want me to say about Sasuke's statement. They did not even tell us why they state their view without considering the other possibility.

Not only I says in my OP that that view is legit and supported by Sasuke being an Uchiha who probably knows about genjutsu, but I analyzed also the chapter to document the other view, which is the main meat of my thread. In fact, I gave many things in the thread besides the topic of Sasuke.

In my opinion, I think I was much more objective than those who claimed that Sasuke saved Naruto and others when actually, Sasuke himself claimed that without Naruto, he cannot defeat Madara. Sasuke himself also said that IT is not the only reason Naruto need to stay under the shelter. Rather, he asserted that he consider the Limbo shadows as a danger.

Due to the fact that kabuto who has snake senjutsu was caught in IT and this can be inferred by tobimara saying why isn't it affecting me? Along with my previous criticism of naruto overestimating his power is clearly not explored but focusing on sasuke belief and that sasuke can't be right, though his battle sense has received praise by a lot of people friend and enemy alike, is clearly being objective isn't it?

A . Comparing Naruto to Kabuto is a lack of objectivity, and it seems that you don't realize it.

1. Kabuto: Snake Senjutsu that need Juugo's cells, snake horn to sense. Kabuto's Senjutsu cannot be compared to Naruto's Senjutsu at all. What else does Kabuto have?

2. Naruto: He has Ashura's chakra or power that is until now considered as an equal to Indra's. Basically, when speaking of Naruto on his reincarnated power, you should understand that that power is equal to Sasuke's if not greater based on the Naruto-Hashirama pairing. Next, Naruto has 9 bijus inside him, and he is Uzumaki - a power that Kabuto borrowed. Naruto has the sinjutsu of the six paths which allows hiom to use all the natural energy around him, a much more perfect Senjutsu.

B. Sasuke's battle sense, you said!

I have hard time seeing that battle sense. Against, most of you ignore completely the source of Sasuke's power and action. It is all about the dojutsus. Battle sense simply means that he can use his eyes to have better insight into the battle. Seeing DeiDara's earth seal to negate the bomb did not come from the brain, but a pure vision. Throwing Kunai with precision and complicated curve also is guided by the eyes.

In our current discussion, I don't see any battle sense from Sasuke. Hiding under a shelter and hoping that some magic will happen to what? Is Kishi going to stop the IT after some time? Will Kishi cut the Shinju tree and negate his effect? What if Madara drop a meteor on Sasuke's Susanoo? What if Madara drop 2 meteor, or even more?

See, the more I listen to you, the more I start to think some people want Kishi to use some stupid plot to handle the fight. Clearly, I continue to say that Sasuke is scared, and his action are impaired by his fear.

Besides, you were not objective here because you spoke as if Naruto has no battle sense. Do you remember how many hell Naruto has gone through since the beginning of the series, and specifically in this war?


PS: Finally, since you think I am not objective, I am surprised that you did not reply to my other post. You mentioned it, but you think my post was bad relatively to your criticism about Naruto's rushing against Madara. I respectfully think you are biased, and you are one sided in your argument. This is why I created this thread. The goal is to bring the missing arguments.

 

[Byakugan12x]

What does it mean to be objective? Roughly speaking, this means to give an accurate account or interpretation of the matter without mixing unnecessary or personal biases. Now, in the case of my thread, the title says Another view of chapter 677. Why?

Because it has become customary in the forums to see 1000 of thread that throw a one-line OP without any explanation or logic. The over view of chapter 677 were already given, and they have stated what you want me to say about Sasuke's statement. They did not even tell us why they state their view without considering the other possibility.

Not only I says in my OP that that view is legit and supported by Sasuke being an Uchiha who probably knows about genjutsu, but I analyzed also the chapter to document the other view, which is the main meat of my thread. In fact, I gave many things in the thread besides the topic of Sasuke.

In my opinion, I think I was much more objective than those who claimed that Sasuke saved Naruto and others when actually, Sasuke himself claimed that without Naruto, he cannot defeat Madara. Sasuke himself also said that IT is not the only reason Naruto need to stay under the shelter. Rather, he asserted that he consider the Limbo shadows as a danger.

Okay lets start here... *Sigh* I should have never started an argument with a fanboy... if you said its another view of chapter 677 then fair enough this is your view, but then you take an extra step by saying its an objective view. now im not saying that there aren't sasuke fanboys who go crazy when sasuke does something good in one chapter, just like how there are naruto fanboys who do the same. The problem comes when one of either camp then starts to undermine the accomplishments made by the other in a chapter.

Thus your thread begins....

now if your view was objective, regardless of if other people have made threads which to your view have been subjective, you would still need to review both sides of the argument in yours if you truly claim objectivity, by taking what is true in their subjective view... which btw you didnt... e.g. zetsu explaining a reason why

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and where in your opening post did you ever say "Not only I says in my OP that that view is legit and supported by Sasuke being an Uchiha who probably knows about genjutsu"....

oh and if you want more of your subjectivity heres a quote from your first post

"My opinion, is that since Naruto did not talk in these two panels, something happened, and Kishi chose to hide it. This will happen in next chapter, and it will show that actually, Naruto can move freely outside, and is immune to the IT."

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A . Comparing Naruto to Kabuto is a lack of objectivity, and it seems that you don't realize it.

1. Kabuto: Snake Senjutsu that need Juugo's cells, snake horn to sense. Kabuto's Senjutsu cannot be compared to Naruto's Senjutsu at all. What else does Kabuto have?

2. Naruto: He has Ashura's chakra or power that is until now considered as an equal to Indra's. Basically, when speaking of Naruto on his reincarnated power, you should understand that that power is equal to Sasuke's if not greater based on the Naruto-Hashirama pairing. Next, Naruto has 9 bijus inside him, and he is Uzumaki - a power that Kabuto borrowed. Naruto has the sinjutsu of the six paths which allows hiom to use all the natural energy around him, a much more perfect Senjutsu.

Comparing naruto to kabuto is not a lack of objectivity. One senjtusu user is being compared to another senjustu user... this is being subjective? not forgetting that it took the sage and his brother to seal the juubi mentioning all of narutos feats still pales in comparison that you still need help as even the sage couldnt do it alone. Plus you forgot to mention that kabuto as he stated can make himself blind as to not fall under genjutsu. yet he seems to have fallen into it based on what tobimara said

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^ this is a point which many people and I have inferred. If however you disagree about it disagree but to suggest that this is subjective isn't entirely accurate

Next, Im glad you mention that his power is equal to sasukes ... im not gonna dwell on this too much or else a war might start but think about it. if sasuke who is equal to power with naruto is showing hesitancy this should be considered... which as ive said previously but you have dubbed as a belief and sasuke being scared in your op.

B. Sasuke's battle sense, you said!

I have hard time seeing that battle sense. Against, most of you ignore completely the source of Sasuke's power and action. It is all about the dojutsus. Battle sense simply means that he can use his eyes to have better insight into the battle. Seeing DeiDara's earth seal to negate the bomb did not come from the brain, but a pure vision. Throwing Kunai with precision and complicated curve also is guided by the eyes.

In our current discussion, I don't see any battle sense from Sasuke. Hiding under a shelter and hoping that some magic will happen to what? Is Kishi going to stop the IT after some time? Will Kishi cut the Shinju tree and negate his effect? What if Madara drop a meteor on Sasuke's Susanoo? What if Madara drop 2 meteor, or even more?

No, battle sense does not just mean his eyes have better insight into the battle, it means he knows how to conduct himself in battle, have great analytical skills and can use the battle to his advantage. you named a few which he used which depend on good eyes what about these

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So thats tobimara complement... nothing to do with eyes

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Madara comments that "on top of having the same eye as me".... so his battle sense is just dojustu right?...

and you should really look at the predictions page of this forum and understand some ideas of what could happen such as them combing their powers or sasuke splitting his susanoo, so as i've said again you are taking your own opinion too far and are not examining other possibilities.

Next,

See, the more I listen to you, the more I start to think some people want Kishi to use some stupid plot to handle the fight. Clearly, I continue to say that Sasuke is scared, and his action are impaired by his fear.

Besides, you were not objective here because you spoke as if Naruto has no battle sense. Do you remember how many hell Naruto has gone through since the beginning of the series, and specifically in this war?

Never said naruto doesnt have any battle sense i said naruto thinks with his heart and not with his head. Which i think most people would agree with. and i am suggesting that sasuke has superior battle sense which i think is a valid argument but again im not claiming objectivity like you are ¬_¬ I am in no way denying any accomplishments narutos made, there are many like; destroying all of the boulders.
My point in replying to this thread is to suggest that your judgement is being clouded which i still think is a valid argument... i said in my first point that what you say could be right, but there is the other side of the coin and i think your wrong and here are my reasons for it...

Then you make a sweeping assumption that sasuke is scared... wow.. you would think by sasuke saying "not now" they may come a time when sasuke would say now is the right time... that feels more logical than just saying sasuke is scared which i think shows your fanboyism but hey let the people decide.

Next,

PS: Finally, since you think I am not objective, I am surprised that you did not reply to my other post. You mentioned it, but you think my post was bad relatively to your criticism about Naruto's rushing against Madara. I respectfully think you are biased, and you are one sided in your argument. This is why I created this thread. The goal is to bring the missing arguments.

The real reason im not gonna start commenting on every post you Make is because im starting to learn never get into an argument with a fanboy... as shown here i could if i wanted to if i thought it would help but im learning that no amount of proof is ever enough for fan boys/girls and they will treat the argument as if im arguing with an idiot, in which, they would bring me down to their level and beat me with experience... i just cant be asked to be honest.

You dont understand how much i actually respect your views and thats just it your subjective views but you made comments which i think amount to great speculation and great over-estimation of narutos power. remember naruto needs sasuke just as much as sasuke needs naruto hence the reason that the sage gave both of them power and naruto when fighting madara said i wont stop you we will (referring to him and sasuke).

Lastly you can claim that im one sided but well
1) I dont think so, I think im being logical
2) Even if i was being subjective (not that i claim that i am) but objectivity was not a claim i set out to make, YOU DID.

Im done.

 

[Byakugan12x]

So how do you naruto fanboys all feel now....

 

[seanmadison]

as byakugan12x stated, your observations were incorrect )

 

[Mr Hiru]

So how do you naruto fanboys all feel now....

I'm not a fanboy, so I won't be identified right now.

But, what I can tell, is that Sasuke is acting by generalization, he uses the brains.

Logically speaking, he is being rational, he thinks Naruto is not immune to IT, as everyone else. Even if Naruto were immune, there are not second chances, and as Naruto is one of the two keys to win the war, hence making the wrong move would be a luxury, the end of the world: Sasuke can't take that risk.

But being careful doesn't mean being right. So, for Sasuke fanboys: The only think I give you is that he is being extremely careful, he is making sense. But, he is not necesarily right, it has not been proved that Naruto is not immune to IT.