[VS] Tobirama(Alive) vs. Minato(Alive)

[A v i]

Minato wins this even if he don't have KCM but Tobirama was a better Hokage than Minato as Minato died without doing much as a hokage.

 

[Penguin]

Minato is basically Tobirama but better.

I disagree, but to each his own.

His S/T is better,

Against a larger number of enemies.

his shunshin is better,

Yep, but he isn't blitzing Tobirama with shunshin.

constantly gets praise for his better accomplishments(whether with his skilful Kage Bunshin+FTG no jutsu usage or saving the world 2 times),

Tobirama deduced Onmyoudan's weakness, tagged Juubito to Minato's surprise, invented Edo Tensei, Kage Bunshin, and Hiraishin. I think Tobirama has better "accomplishments".

except for the gag about his unnecessary long names.

I think it was just a comic relief.

Mindless Juubito erases half of Tobirama

Tobirama used his edo body to get close to Juubito and tag him with hiraishin mark and four paper bombs. Tobirama had no mark to hiraishin to by the way.

while the controlled and stronger form of Juubito can only cut off minato's arm

He couldn't even hiraishin in time to save his arm. And he was on the offensive.

and still accomplished more things with a missing arm during almost the entire war(like weakening JJ Madara by stealing his balls).

Minato did do more during the war due to his hiraishin which is better than Tobirama's for large groups of people.

SM Madara beats Tobirama, JJ Madara cuts off Minato's arm.

SM Madara beat Tobirama, but Minato would have been raped just as bad Lol.

By feats and portrayal, Minato is stronger

In your opinion.

 

[Bogard]

Against a larger number of enemies.

Not only. Even in a 1vs1, with the advantage of kunais seals, he can easily outmanoeuver Tobirama anytime. Besides, he possess a level3 hyped to be faster than even Jubito can defend himself against

Yep, but he isn't blitzing Tobirama with shunshin.

Depends on the distance

Tobirama deduced Onmyoudan's weakness, tagged Juubito to Minato's surprise, invented Edo Tensei, Kage Bunshin, and Hiraishin. I think Tobirama has better "accomplishments".

I'm talking about their respective war accomplishments, but if you really want to think overall, edo tensei did more bad than good(even Orochimaru said that). Madara would have never caused this chaos for example if not edo tensei. On the other side, this war would have been lost a lot earlier if not Minato's plan on Naruto. Onymoudon weakness was discovered by Naruto as well, so it had no real purpose. Minato on the other hand stopped Madara's revival the first time, saved entire shinobi world 2 times, discovered another onmyoudon's weakness, weakened Jubidara by taking most of his balls

Tobirama used his edo body to get close to Juubito and tag him with hiraishin mark and four paper bombs. Tobirama had no mark to hiraishin to by the way.

To me it seemed more like he couldn't get away, but took advantage of the close range contact to put his tags at the same time. If he could get away, he would have. I'm pretty sure he has markings outside as well like in Konoha. Only that they weren't seen

He couldn't even hiraishin in time to save his arm. And he was on the offensive.

But he reacted to a stronger version of Jubito 2 times. Jubito was the one on the offensive. Minato tried to attack until he got surprised by Jubito's sudden transformation mid offense. Said Jubito then attacked Minato in a close range battle and Minato was forced to defend himself with his kunai that cracked during the impact with Jubito removing his arm with the second. It's what happened

Minato did do more during the war due to his hiraishin which is better than Tobirama's for large groups of people.

Not only that(see above)

SM Madara beat Tobirama, but Minato would have been raped just as bad Lol.

We don't know that

 

[Xantai]

Minato aprimmored tobirama's jutsu, in fact... I think minato would win...

 

[Unorthodox]

tobirama vs minato is basically bogard vs penguin and my money's on bogard all they way

minato wins better ftg overall faster and larger arsenal

 

[RedBuLL]

SM Madara beat Tobirama, but Minato would have been raped just as bad Lol.



In your opinion.

Lol SM+Juubi Jinchūriki Madara cut just 1 arm off.....loool and Tobirama was beaten by just SM Madara with ned diff U_U

 

[ARGUS]

Minato wins this..
Tobirama can potentially win with edos

 

[Bronze]

We don't know that

We clearly do.

OT: Minato high diff.​

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

Lol SM+Juubi Jinchūriki Madara cut just 1 arm off.....loool and Tobirama was beaten by just SM Madara with ned diff U_U

I fail to see how Minato losing an arm somehow quantifies as Minato having superior skill to anyone in any way.

Are all Minato fans, aside from like three, retarded?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I fail to see how Minato losing an arm somehow quantifies as Minato having superior skill to anyone in any way.

Are all Minato fans, aside from like three, retarded?

Cut him some slack. He's a genin. Anyways it doesn't change minato's superior mobility with ftg which in this fight its the only thing that matters.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I fail to see how Minato losing an arm somehow quantifies as Minato having superior skill to anyone in any way.

Are all Minato fans, aside from like three, retarded?

Cut him some slack. He's a genin. Anyways it doesn't change minato's superior mobility with ftg which in this fight its the only thing that matters.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

Cut him some slack. He's a genin. Anyways it doesn't change minato's superior mobility with ftg which in this fight its the only thing that matters.

It's not just him, I've seen a whole bunch of them that make outlandish claims like that on a regular basis.

I disagree, Tobirama is also able to use Kunai, Kage Bushin and Suiton to add to his versatility in this fight. And with his reactions I have no reason to believe Minato will ever touch him.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

It's not just him, I've seen a whole bunch of them that make outlandish claims like that on a regular basis.

I disagree, Tobirama is also able to use Kunai, Kage Bushin and Suiton to add to his versatility in this fight. And with his reactions I have no reason to believe Minato will ever touch him.

Tobirama has 1 inpromptu marked kunai. Their both clone users and tobirama's suiton isn't fast enough to touch minato.
Matter of fact nothing bar ftg is fast enough to touch him. Same goes for minato. Minato has the advantage since he has more jump spots and ftg barrier.

 

[End of Days]

I have seen reasons (for tobirama beating minato) like

-he put a crack on the wall
-he is a senju
-he is hashirama's brother
-he is older
-he is cooler

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

I have seen reasons (for tobirama beating minato) like

-he put a crack on the wall
-he is a senju
-he is hashirama's brother
-he is older
-he is cooler

All valid reasons I guess :|

I have not seen anything of the sort, and I would be the first to comment against these people.

Tobirama has 1 inpromptu marked kunai. Their both clone users and tobirama's suiton isn't fast enough to touch minato.
Matter of fact nothing bar ftg is fast enough to touch him. Same goes for minato. Minato has the advantage since he has more jump spots and ftg barrier.

There's absolutely nothing to suggest he'd have only one marked weapon, quite the opposite considering he was rolling around with marked swords since he killed Izuna. His "one Kunai" is obviously multiplied the more clones he makes, as does Minato's.
His Suiton is chakra, if he used it in the immediate area he has complete control over where he teleports too, it's in fact more versitile than Kunai.

I disagree again, Hirashin Giri can factor, it only narrowly missed Madara even when he had Sage Mode. But as it stands it's true speed is largely speculation.

The main reason I believe that this fight is so inconclusive is the fact that Kage Bushin have shown the ability to summon the original to the position they're at, meaning Minato and Tobirama will never be snuck up on.

I ultimately give it to Tobirama. Why? His FTG is in fact the more versitile of the two, and his stamina is higher as it stands.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I have seen reasons (for tobirama beating minato) like

-he put a crack on the wall
-he is a senju
-he is hashirama's brother
-he is older
-he is cooler

Lol. I can't even safety say tobirama's reserves are better(despite being senju) since minato has perfect sm.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I have seen reasons (for tobirama beating minato) like

-he put a crack on the wall
-he is a senju
-he is hashirama's brother
-he is older
-he is cooler

Lol. I can't even safety say tobirama's reserves are better(despite being senju) since minato has perfect sm.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

Lol. I can't even safety say tobirama's reserves are better(despite being senju) since minato has perfect sm.

And? It lasted not even a minute. Minato stated he couldn't manipulate sage chakra properly, otherwise it'd be maintained.

Tobirama fought for a whole day, Minato has yet to yield anything on that scale.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

There's absolutely nothing to suggest he'd have only one marked weapon, quite the opposite considering he was rolling around with marked swords since he killed Izuna.

proof? I never saw a mark on his sword.

His "one Kunai" is obviously multiplied the more clones he makes, as does Minato's.

still leaving minato with the advantage. For every extra kunai he gains via clones minato gains at bare minimun 31.

His Suiton is chakra, if he used it in the immediate area he has complete control over where he teleports too, it's in fact more versitile than Kunai.

you talk about us having bad reasons but then you bring unproven hypotheses like this to the table as if it's worth something. Smh.

I'll indulge you regardless. First his chakra is only in the water when he controls it for jutsu once the jutsu ends his range would go back down. Second it would only be helpful if his suiton could hit minato, but seeing as how minato's body flicker his superior to his by his own admittance I don't see any of tobirama's water techs touching minato. Not when his foot speed runs laps on them. No need for ftg.

I disagree again, Hirashin Giri can factor, it only narrowly missed Madara even when he had Sage Mode.

Barely? Madara had his back turned and still slapped his kunai out of his hand. Not to mention he used it in the same way minato employs ftgv2. Taking advantage of his opponents "victory" to get the upper hand.

The main reason I believe that this fight is so inconclusive is the fact that Kage Bushin have shown the ability to summon the original to the position they're at, meaning Minato and Tobirama will never be snuck up on.

while that's true making clones still leaves minato in a better position than tobirama as already explained above, not to mention minato's ability to specifically choose exactly what he wants to teleport.

I ultimately give it to Tobirama. Why? His FTG is in fact the more versitile of the two,

already disprovened

and his stamina is higher as it stands.

minato's a perfect sage. While tobirama May have lineage to fall back on(which is disputable) minato for a fact has massive reserves.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

And? It lasted not even a minute. Minato stated he couldn't manipulate sage chakra properly, otherwise it'd be maintained.

Tobirama fought for a whole day, Minato has yet to yield anything on that scale.

It doesn't matter how long it lasted. Becoming a perfect sage, heck an imperfect sage means you need extremely high reserves. Had it been average or low he would have succumb to petrification.