[Discussion] Clearing a misconception once and for all: Madara using susano'o without his eyes

[SkyGodHorus]

Okay, I'm going to try to be as calm as I can in this thread, but considering how aggravating people can be about it, it's going to be tough for me; so try to be as reasonable and objective as you can and clearly read every word I have to say as well as examine every scan I have to link before replying.

Madara using susano'o without his eyes in their sockets was not a plot hole. It's wasn't a Diabolus ex Machina (the literary and correct term for "asspull" as you urban teens appear to be abusing these days) and it wasn't done on account of susano'o "not being a doujutsu" or "not requiring the eyes to be used, only unlocked." There is only one true explanation for it that even though not directly stated, I have the utmost faith in being the truth.

It was done by Madara resonating with his eyes via the gidou mazou rods in his body and the zetsus who were in possession of both eyes, in the vicinity at the time and are composed of the same power as the mazou and rods. People even called this "wireless susano'o" and to this day still do.

The zetsus were constructed not only through Hashirama's cells but through the power of the mazou, and the gidou rods are pieces of the mazou that possess its power and laid in Madara's body, just as they laid in Nagato's and his avatars. Due to this, Nagato was able to resonate with his avatars and transmit and receive the rinnegan's chakra from them.

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This was also how he Madara was able to restrain Hashirama after being revived and losing his eyes, because the rods were stuck into Hashirama.

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Furthermore, Madara transformed zetsu into his will and turned him black like the gidou rods.

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Even further, the left side of Obito's body was composed of a zetsu that Madara manipulated twice with the rods inside it to force him to use Rinne Tensei. Black Zetsu is also Madara's will and took over Obito's right side with the right Rinnegan.

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This completes my thesis on the matter. If you require anymore scans, just ask.

 

[esenn1]

Nice theory. I liked that

 

[Rohan]

Makes Sense, I guess, + Rep to you.

 

[SixPathsOfTobi]

People are still on this.. as far as i'm concerned susannoo isn't a doujutsu, tsukuyomi and amaterasu are cast from the eye susanoo isn't, also in japanese myth it was born together with amaterasu and tsukuyomi who were born from the eyes and susanoo from the nose..

also the whole manga explanation of the brain of the uchiha should explain a lot.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

People are still on this.. as far as i'm concerned susannoo isn't a doujutsu, tsukuyomi and amaterasu are cast from the eye susanoo isn't, also in japanese myth it was born together with amaterasu and tsukuyomi who were born from the eyes and susanoo from the nose..

also the whole manga explanation of the brain of the uchiha should explain a lot.

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[Xlad]

I was thinking more of the reverse Six Paths ability in a way. Nagato/Pain was using the ability to transfer chakra to the 6 Paths through the Chakra Rods. Madara was likely using the reversed version of that same power to transfer the Rinnegan ninjutsus to himself instead. By using the Mazo and Black Zetsu, he is allowed to use the Rinnegan from Obito with Black Zetsu and the rods. The first time he did this was when he absorbed Odama FRS.

Honestly, this is my train of thought as to how using Susanoo and Preta Path was possible.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

I was thinking more of the reverse Six Paths ability in a way. Nagato/Pain was using the ability to transfer chakra to the 6 Paths through the Chakra Rods. Madara was likely using the reversed version of that same power to transfer the Rinnegan ninjutsus to himself instead. By using the Mazo and Black Zetsu, he is allowed to use the Rinnegan from Obito with Black Zetsu and the rods. The first time he did this was when he absorbed Odama FRS.

Honestly, this is my train of thought as to how using Susanoo and Preta Path was possible.

In other words....exactly what I just said? I fail to see the difference.

 

[Xlad]

In other words....exactly what I just said? I fail to see the difference.

I reread it. It does mean the same thing. Lol That's a fail. But yeah.
Nice read again.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

I reread it. It does mean the same thing. Lol That's a fail. But yeah.
Nice read again.

I do tend to over-word my descriptions. Maybe that was the problem. Sorry.