Lets get this straight Minato > Tobirama. Convince me otherise

[Howling Fox]

i think it is much closer than you are giving credit for but i will admit that minato is superior combat ninja. even the Godking admitted that minato has a better shunshin and teleport skills.

yellow flash is slightly better. though i voted for Tobirama cuz im bias

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[The Grand Pubba]

1. Sensing: this is easily a point in Tobirama's favor. The guy is so renowned in this area that he is able to a person chakra on such a level that he is able to tell what clan the person is from. He was also able to sense that Orochimaru's new body was made up of most Hashirama's DNA... No other shinobi in the manga has shown that..

2. Chakra: the guy is a SENJU, no needs to go into detail about this..

3. Intelligence/battle smarts: he created the chunnin exams, Anubis and the academy. He created Hiraishin, clones, and edo Tensei. He was the only shinobi on the battlefield to recognize the yin yang release Obito was using. He came up with several different strategies to attack Obito before naruto figured out Senjutsu was effective. He was only the only person to realize how the Uchiha sharingan is activated and the cause and effect behind it.

4. Ninjutsu/speed: since you combine these two, minato can only tie.. Not much need to be said but Tobirama is know to be the greatest suction user in history. He has suit on just for offense and defense.. Minato wins the speed, we all know this. But he doesn't even have a jutsu outside of resengan that he didn't steal from Minato.. He doesn't have a element..

5. Kenjutsu: Tobirama is a master swordsman...

6. Greatest feat: Minato defeated his 13 year old student and died...Tobirama defeated Izuna's Uchiha, a MS weilding Uchiha who was said to be on par with Madara before he gain EMS..

Conclusion: Kobe can never be better than MJ by being a imitation.. Same scenario here..

Sensing: When was Tobirama renowed for sensing. Minato has shown just as much skill in this department. He was able to sense the difference between clones and tell naruto had mastered Kyubi from miles away.

Chakra: 3rd raikage.... your argument about Senju does not really hold that much wieght

Inteligence/Battle: You just stated facts he knows. He is more book smart i agree, but in battle, minato has shown to be more tactical.

Feat: He did in 2 minutes to Tobi what took 2 perfect Jinjuriki, guy and kaskashi a hell of a lot longer. Plus they manges to do that due to Kakashi having the same eye, an advantage Minato did not have.

Kobe cant imitate MJ son. He can try. Plus this does not really apply since (MJ)Tobirama prectically stated (Kobe)MInato to be better in terms of mang of the areas I stated.

 

[DHOH]

Sensing: When was Tobirama renowed for sensing. Minato has shown just as much skill in this department. He was able to sense the difference between clones and tell naruto had mastered Kyubi from miles away.

Chakra: 3rd raikage.... your argument about Senju does not really hold that much wieght

Inteligence/Battle: You just stated facts he knows. He is more book smart i agree, but in battle, minato has shown to be more tactical.

Feat: He did in 2 minutes to Tobi what took 2 perfect Jinjuriki, guy and kaskashi a hell of a lot longer. Plus they manges to do that due to Kakashi having the same eye, an advantage Minato did not have.

Kobe cant imitate MJ son. He can try. Plus this does not really apply since (MJ)Tobirama prectically stated (Kobe)MInato to be better in terms of mang of the areas I stated.

As I said, Tobirama is the only one to show that he can sense chakra strong enough to tell what clan they're from. Minato haven't shown anything like that.

Okay. How about Tobirama teleporting naruto and Minato, who both were hold giant sage mode resengans to attack Obito without breaking a sweat? How about Tobirama getting his chakra suck by the god tree abd still had enough chakra to attack it? Minato can't compete with that.. FYI your raikage deal is a terrible example.

No what he did was beat a 13 year old kid. Two jins and two elite jounnin was battling a MS PLUS RINNENGAN wielding S rank ninja.

Please show a scan of Tobirama saying Minato was a better shinobi the he is. He only complemented Minato on his speed only.

 

[ShiroT]

If fact didn't when naruto brought an armada he needed ma and pa to do it for him?

no. naruto didnt summon any of them the toads summoned themselves there

 

[ShiroT]

As I said, Tobirama is the only one to show that he can sense chakra strong enough to tell what clan they're from. Minato haven't shown anything like that.

Okay. How about Tobirama teleporting naruto and Minato, who both were hold giant sage mode resengans to attack Obito without breaking a sweat? How about Tobirama getting his chakra suck by the god tree abd still had enough chakra to attack it? Minato can't compete with that.. FYI your raikage deal is a terrible example.

No what he did was beat a 13 year old kid. Two jins and two elite jounnin was battling a MS PLUS RINNENGAN wielding S rank ninja.

Please show a scan of Tobirama saying Minato was a better shinobi the he is. He only complemented Minato on his speed only.

tobirama already stated minato was faster. speed is a factor in a speed fight

 

[DHOH]

tobirama already stated minato was faster. speed is a factor in a speed fight

That would be true if the person had speed like Gaara. Speed won't make a difference in this fight. It's like saying Itachi can beat Sasuke in a Genjutsu fight.

 

[ShiroT]

That would be true if the person had speed like Gaara. Speed won't make a difference in this fight. It's like saying Itachi can beat Sasuke in a Genjutsu fight.

it does matter. this fight mostly comes down to speed, and the faster person will have the advantage. minato has the advantage in ninjutsu and there chakra and intelligence are to comparable to give some a definite edge so minato already as two things in his favor

 

[DHOH]

it does matter. this fight mostly comes down to speed, and the faster person will have the advantage. minato has the advantage in ninjutsu and there chakra and intelligence are to comparable to give some a definite edge so minato already as two things in his favor

How can Minato possible have the advantage in ninjutsu when he has one, and that's the basic resengan without any element? Tobirama has sution and have several jutsu with it, and is known to be the best in history. Chakra belongs to the Senjui without a doubt..I can agree, the intelligence is really the only thing that is comparable.

So the way I see is,Tobirama has two in his favor.

 

[Gold Lightning]

How can Minato possible have the advantage in ninjutsu when he has one, and that's the basic resengan without any element? Tobirama has sution and have several jutsu with it, and is known to be the best in history. Chakra belongs to the Senjui without a doubt..I can agree, the intelligence is really the only thing that is comparable.

So the way I see is,Tobirama has two in his favor.

known to be best in history? Stop lying please, where's the scan or evidence that says such things. Kisame and Mei rival Tobirama in water style, Kisame is probably the best.

Also u said Tobirama teleported 2 Kurama's but minato teleported the ten tails tailed beast bomb which is much bigger than 2 Kurama's combined.

Rasengan is one of the fastest attacks, requires no hand signs and little preparation, only needs one hand and can be readied in an instant. Which is why it's such a great offensive jutsu, it can be used faster than most opponents can pull off their jutsu.

The advantage is always in Minatos favour. If he scatters dozens of kunai across the battlefield, then Tobirama is pretty much trapped. Minato can come at him from all sides and angles, where as Tobirama doesn't use FTG in the same manor as minato, the most FTG kunai we've seen Tobirama with is 1.

 

[ShiroT]

How can Minato possible have the advantage in ninjutsu when he has one, and that's the basic resengan without any element? Tobirama has sution and have several jutsu with it, and is known to be the best in history. Chakra belongs to the Senjui without a doubt..I can agree, the intelligence is really the only thing that is comparable.

So the way I see is,Tobirama has two in his favor.

ftg users shine in cqc. a long range jutsu other then his water wall will play no major role in this fight. minato with rasangen will deal a deadlier blow then tobirama shooting water which would be dodged by ftg. which is why i said in a fight minato has the edge in ninjutsu, also minato has summonings.

 

[DHOH]

ftg users shine in cqc. a long range jutsu other then his water wall will play no major role in this fight. minato with rasangen will deal a deadlier blow then tobirama shooting water which would be dodged by ftg. which is why i said in a fight minato has the edge in ninjutsu, also minato has summonings.

A kunai or a sword is just as deadly as a resengan when dealing with individuals with no armor or defense. Summonings will play a small part I'll give you that.

 

[The Grand Pubba]

As I said, Tobirama is the only one to show that he can sense chakra strong enough to tell what clan they're from. Minato haven't shown anything like that.

Okay. How about Tobirama teleporting naruto and Minato, who both were hold giant sage mode resengans to attack Obito without breaking a sweat? How about Tobirama getting his chakra suck by the god tree abd still had enough chakra to attack it? Minato can't compete with that.. FYI your raikage deal is a terrible example.

No what he did was beat a 13 year old kid. Two jins and two elite jounnin was battling a MS PLUS RINNENGAN wielding S rank ninja.

Please show a scan of Tobirama saying Minato was a better shinobi the he is. He only complemented Minato on his speed only.

That would be true if the person had speed like Gaara. Speed won't make a difference in this fight. It's like saying Itachi can beat Sasuke in a Genjutsu fight.

Sensing is tricky. minato has shown to use one finger ot tell while tobirama used 2. Minato could tell that they were clones as well, something only the sharigan (not even the baukugan) as done and he did without looking. Tobirama could sense that karin was and uzamaki, minato could tell naruto had mastered kuybi charkra. In my book they are defiantly at least even.
Ohewise Im not going ot talk to much about sensing seeing as it is the least important thing in the fight seeing as they can both sense each other.

Tobirama teleported 2 half kyubis with one rsegan. Minato teleported full Kybi right after sumoning Gamabunta. PLus he teleported Juubi TTB. Which is bigger than the 2 kybuis, full kubi, rasengan put together. Why is the raikage dea la terrible example btw (other than you got to nocounter for it). It shows senju does not mean instant win. Both have enough for battle. I could even say that minato could go sage mode, done by people with enormous charkra reserves. Tobirama could not. His brother had it. They where in a war period where strength was key, why not use everthing you can. Also if he could he would have done so against Obito, instead of realing on Minato. Face it, Tobiram has no real advantage over Minato

How did Tob iuse the Rinngan in that fight anyway, other than controlling the bijuu. Also, when they were going to brak his mask when did he use anything from the rinnegan.

This, as stated earlier by ShiroT, a battle of speed. What water tech has Tobirama showed that can counter/protect against FTG?
He got nothing. The battle would come ot speed wher minato wins.

 

[ShiroT]

A kunai or a sword is just as deadly as a resengan when dealing with individuals with no armor or defense. Summonings will play a small part I'll give you that.

your changing the subject because you know im right lol thats kenjutsu, they both have kunai's we were strictly talking ninjutsu and like i said minato has this edge

 

[DHOH]

your changing the subject because you know im right lol thats kenjutsu, they both have kunai's we were strictly talking ninjutsu and like i said minato has this edge

I change the subject because you focus on a single area of the fight to give Minato's ninjutsu the advantage. Fats remains, Tobirama still has the better ninjutsu, maybe not in this fight but overall. Kenjutsu is just as deadly as Minato's ninjutsu so I don't see your point.

 

[ShiroT]

I change the subject because you focus on a single area of the fight to give Minato's ninjutsu the advantage. Fats remains, Tobirama still has the better ninjutsu, maybe not in this fight but overall. Kenjutsu is just as deadly as Minato's ninjutsu so I don't see your point.

what? i said in this fight minato's ninjutsu is better, and you replied no tobiramas is. so now that i have proved that my point stands you dont see how it matters? i said minato ninjutsu was better in this 1v1 and after you couldnt prove me wrong you jump to kenjutsu.

minato still trumps nin overall. rasengan for cqc. ftg for close,mid, and long range jutsu. and after i looked it up summoning jutsu is a space-time NINJUTSU putting him over tobirama in nin.

i could argue that minato better in ken because his whole fighting style involves a kunai meaning he would be a expert with it but i havent seen either fight enough with a kunai or a sword to give either a edge. as far as im concerned nobody gets a point in weapons unless you count that ll of minato's kunais have a ftg mark

 

[DHOH]

Sensing is tricky. minato has shown to use one finger ot tell while tobirama used 2. Minato could tell that they were clones as well, something only the sharigan (not even the baukugan) as done and he did without looking. Tobirama could sense that karin was and uzamaki, minato could tell naruto had mastered kuybi charkra. In my book they are defiantly at least even.
Ohewise Im not going ot talk to much about sensing seeing as it is the least important thing in the fight seeing as they can both sense each other.

Tobirama teleported 2 half kyubis with one rsegan. Minato teleported full Kybi right after sumoning Gamabunta. PLus he teleported Juubi TTB. Which is bigger than the 2 kybuis, full kubi, rasengan put together. Why is the raikage dea la terrible example btw (other than you got to nocounter for it). It shows senju does not mean instant win. Both have enough for battle. I could even say that minato could go sage mode, done by people with enormous charkra reserves. Tobirama could not. His brother had it. They where in a war period where strength was key, why not use everthing you can. Also if he could he would have done so against Obito, instead of realing on Minato. Face it, Tobiram has no real advantage over Minato

How did Tob iuse the Rinngan in that fight anyway, other than controlling the bijuu. Also, when they were going to brak his mask when did he use anything from the rinnegan.

This, as stated earlier by ShiroT, a battle of speed. What water tech has Tobirama showed that can counter/protect against FTG?
He got nothing. The battle would come ot speed wher minato wins.

I'll agree sensing and bigger chakra is not going to be a game changer, but don't start saying Tobirama didn't have sage mode cause he couldn't use or I'll just start ignoring your post. Don't just make up stuff to help your arguement. The reason raikage arguement is terrible, because Minato can't relate to him in the chakra department. The Uchiha trait is eyes the Senju trait is large chakra. I don't need to tell you that.

Each time Obito attempted to use rinnengan on naruto one of his comrades saved him.

Speed is not a advantage big enough to change the outcome of this fight.. The only advantage Minato has thatcan change the outcome of this battle is the way he uses Hiraishin..

 

[ShiroT]

I'll agree sensing and bigger chakra is not going to be a game changer, but don't start saying Tobirama didn't have sage mode cause he couldn't use or I'll just start ignoring your post. Don't just make up stuff to help your arguement. The reason raikage arguement is terrible, because Minato can't relate to him in the chakra department. The Uchiha trait is eyes the Senju trait is large chakra. I don't need to tell you that.

Each time Obito attempted to use rinnengan on naruto one of his comrades saved him.

Speed is not a advantage big enough to change the outcome of this fight.. The only advantage Minato has thatcan change the outcome of this battle is the way he uses Hiraishin..

and summoning jutsu

 

[DHOH]

what? i said in this fight minato's ninjutsu is better, and you replied no tobiramas is. so now that i have proved that my point stands you dont see how it matters? i said minato ninjutsu was better in this 1v1 and after you couldnt prove me wrong you jump to kenjutsu.

minato still trumps nin overall. rasengan for cqc. ftg for close,mid, and long range jutsu. and after i looked it up summoning jutsu is a space-time NINJUTSU putting him over tobirama in nin.

i could argue that minato better in ken because his whole fighting style involves a kunai meaning he would be a expert with it but i havent seen either fight enough with a kunai or a sword to give either a edge. as far as im concerned nobody gets a point in weapons unless you count that ll of minato's kunais have a ftg mark

First off, you never said Minato's ninjutsu was better in this 1on1 battle. You said his ninjutsu was better. I disagree and still believe Tobirama's better. Now pertaining to this battle, I agree, but tobiram's kenjutsu make up for it. Again, so it doesn't make a difference.

Lol we all know summoning was a space time jutsu.

Yea. Not true. Tobirama killed Izuna with his sword. Kenjutsu goes to Tobirama.

 

[DHOH]

and summoning jutsu

That's not going to make a difference in this fight. Tobirama would shred them with his water jutsu.

 

[ShiroT]

First off, you never said Minato's ninjutsu was better in this 1on1 battle. You said his ninjutsu was better. I disagree and still believe Tobirama's better. Now pertaining to this battle, I agree, but tobiram's kenjutsu make up for it. Again, so it doesn't make a difference.

Lol we all know summoning was a space time jutsu.

Yea. Not true. Tobirama killed Izuna with his sword. Kenjutsu goes to Tobirama.

summoning jutsu trumps all of tobirama's what? 2 water jutsus? minato's ftg > tobiramas. summoning make it a 2v1,3v1 etc. also his frogs counter any of tobirama's water jutsus with their own. minato i over tobirama in nin.

tobirama killed izuna with ftg slash, minato is better at ftg so the same wouldnt happen. but sure i'll give it to tobirama in ken but minato isnt bad with a weapons either, it takes skills to chuck them babies the way he does.

minato also with a paper tag can use gamabunta's toad oil to create a fire jutsu