Which aspect of lazy writing hurts Naruto's story the most?

[Inert Brian]

Love Naruto, and the story. But there are times when Kishimoto skips over stuff that should not have been skipped over. If you guys are unsure and think i'm just trolling/hating for views, then refer to the following:


-Hardly ever mentioning Izuna, Madara is the main freaking Villain and Izuna's death is what literally drives all the bad things happening currently in the story. Yet we hardly got anything on Maddy-Izuna's relationship.

-Hardly ever mentioning Shisui, Shisui is supposed to be the reason Itachi obtained MS, the best genjutsu user ever, his eyes were shown controversial at the Kage summit, if Shisui and Itachi were besties, shouldn't the story have covered more of Itachi and Shisui's relationship for more depth? Itachi did get MS out of it after all.

-Making Naruto's 2 year timeskip a complete waste, Kishimoto tried to make it look like he improved significantly in the Kakashi vs Sakura and Naruto fight, but really Naruto hardly improved. He got what, Oodama Rasengan? His height increased more than his skill did. The only thing we ever really saw from the timeskip is the flashback of Jman talking about all the hate in the world.

-Skipping 7 swordsman of the mist, now this may have been done for anime filler...but Kishi needs to put his manga first before the anime. Why do these guys get more mentioning in the story than Izuna and Shisui, yet not only did they mean nothing except for killing Dai, but Mangetsu who is supposed to be the strongest got skipped in the manga and the anime! This is Suigetsu's brother after all, and he had all this hype behind him.

-5, 6, and 7 tails off screen capture, Jins and bijuus were a driving plot device for the villains in the story. We saw that Akatsuki got 2 of them before Gaara, but why were so many of these fights skipped? They were key fights for the story, even Roshi was skipped yet Kishimoto was nice enough to show the guy half-dead on Samehada? It wasn't even until this war that suddenly the Jinchuurikis got all of this attention, it wasn't even until a random cover page that we knew who the other jins were!

Learning nothing about the other villages until the kage summit, before the war arc we knew about the Sand village, we knew the mist was a screwed up village, we knew the lightning tried to steal Hinata, but we had nothing on the Stone village. Why wouldn't Kishimoto build up each of the Village's hatred for each other? It would have made the Shinobi so much more significant for story's sake. To be fair, Kishimoto did at least show the relationship with the Leaf and Sand. But the Leaf and Sand had an established alliance at the beginning of part 2!

Neglecting Side characters such as K11, now I understand this story is mainly is about Naruto and Sasuke. But look at a show like Bleach, Bleach gives the side characters their time to shine, giving more depth to the story! So many people talk about how Part 1 was better because it had so many interesting characters unlike Part 2, I can somewhat agree, we had kick ass characters like Lee and Neji that were dropped from the story after Part 1. Hell characters like Tenten, and Shino (he did have his bout with Kankuro) never even got a chance to shine to begin with.

Do you guys agree? Or am I simply a blind hater that can't criticize a masterpiece story?

 

[Gagster]

The fact that you read the manga for free hurts it the most.

 

[iNotorious]

naruto's timeskip wasted, Skipping 7 swordsmen and Jinchuuriki fights off screen.

 

[Inert Brian]

The fact that you read the manga for free hurts it the most.

I'd be lying if I said this wasn't true.

 

[LustyLover]

Izuna all the way. We literally know little to nothing about him, and he was supposed to be respected as equally by the Uchiha as Madara was. Madara's past is incomplete, and Izuna was a huge part of his life. It drove him mad to the point of where he wanted to kill Hashirama, who used to be his closest friend, and Tobirama with his bear hands. I agree with the Shisui part too; there's so much left out about him and his powers that's it's not even funny.

Oh, and the Jinchuuriki too.

 

[Pirate King]

I agree with you buddy, soooo many things we never got to see it is disappointing

 

[Inert Brian]

Izuna all the way. We literally know little to nothing about him, and he was supposed to be respected as equally by the Uchiha as Madara was. Madara's past is incomplete, and Izuna was a huge part of his life. It drove him mad to the point of where he wanted to kill Hashirama, who used to be his closest friend, and Tobirama with his bear hands. I agree with the Shisui part too; there's so much left out about him and his powers that's it's not even funny.

THIS! Rep. I think Izuna's lack of depth hurts the story the most.

 

[LustyLover]

THIS! Rep. I think Izuna's lack of depth hurts the story the most.

Rep for giving rep Lol

 

[-Punk-]

I hate the parallels , everything parallels in Naruto , fights , scenes etc ....to me that's lazy .

Naruto's timeskip was wasted , skipping Kakashis fight the 7 swordsmen , why the rush bru ? should have gone into depth with them & Kakashi .

 

[Inert Brian]

Rep for giving rep Lol

Apparently I repped too much recently. Sorry holy

I hate the parallels , everything parallels in Naruto , fights , scenes etc ....to me that's lazy .

Naruto's timeskip was wasted , skipping Kakashi fighting the 7 swordsmen , why the rush bru ? should have gone into depth with them & Kakashi .

I can understand the parallels, it does create a very unrealistic atmosphere, at least it was explained with the whole Indra-Ashura thing.

 

[Gagster]

I hate the parallels , everything parallels in Naruto , fights , scenes etc ....to me that's lazy .

Naruto's timeskip was wasted , skipping Kakashis fight the 7 swordsmen , why the rush bru ? should have gone into depth with them & Kakashi .

-The time skip wasn't wasted, Naruto just grew in other ways than fighting ability.J-man wasn't just training him but mentoring and caring for him. He became much more worldly and mature, he also was shown to use his already present skills more effectively, like clones and rasengan feints.

-The parrelels are used to remind us that this already happened, and this cycle of war and hatred must be stopped, that is the real enemy.

-Fights get skipped due to budget and time constraints, o well.

 

[Rustled]

-Making Naruto's 2 year timeskip a complete waste
-Learning nothing about the other villages until the kage summit.

These two can be done at the same time. we get a Naruto travel arc.
Naruto learning more about other villages by traveling from country to country and bonding with more people so we can see more emotional impacts in the 4th war. Not just some random fodders got stomped :|

 

[-Punk-]

-The time skip wasn't wasted, Naruto just grew in other ways than fighting ability.J-man wasn't just training him but mentoring and caring for him. He became much more worldly and mature, he also was shown to use his already present skills more effectively, like clones and rasengan feints.

-The parrelels are used to remind us that this already happened, and this cycle of war and hatred must be stopped, that is the real enemy.

-Fights get skipped due to budget and time constraints, o well.

That's your take on it , I don't agree .

 

[Inert Brian]

-Making Naruto's 2 year timeskip a complete waste
-Learning nothing about the other villages until the kage summit.

These two can be done at the same time. we get a Naruto travel arc.
Naruto learning more about other villages by traveling from country to country and bonding with more people so we can see more emotional impacts in the 4th war. Not just some random fodders got stomped

Completely agree with this!

I really do hope after Naruto is over Kishi goes back to do bonus stories like he did with Kakashi Gaiden.

 

[Gagster]

Completely agree with this!

I really do hope after Naruto is over Kishi goes back to do bonus stories like he did with Kakashi Gaiden.

Did you just change genders?

 

[Inert Brian]

Did you just change genders?

From boy-girl, or girl-boy?

I'm a girl, Inert Brianna takes too many characters so I just stuck with Brian.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

-Hardly ever mentioning Izuna, Madara is the main freaking Villain and Izuna's death is what literally drives all the bad things happening currently in the story.

No, it's not. What drives Madara is his jealousy of Hashirama, feeling subjugated by the Senju, being alienated by his own clan and reading the Uchiha stone. Izuna died and he still made peace with them. And before that, he lost four or five other brothers. If you want to say Izuna was a factor, more power to you, but he was nowhere near the only factor.

Yet we hardly got anything on Maddy-Izuna's relationship.

Izuna is too one-dimensional for me to care about his story, as subjective and superficial as that comes off. Shisui and the Ootsutsukis in my opinion are far more compelling.

-Hardly ever mentioning Shisui, Shisui is supposed to be the reason Itachi obtained MS, the best genjutsu user ever, his eyes were shown controversial at the Kage summit, if Shisui and Itachi were besties, shouldn't the story have covered more of Itachi and Shisui's relationship for more depth? Itachi did get MS out of it after all.

The anime and the new game are covering Shisui.

-Making Naruto's 2 year timeskip a complete waste, Kishimoto tried to make it look like he improved significantly in the Kakashi vs Sakura and Naruto fight, but really Naruto hardly improved. He got what, Oodama Rasengan? His height increased more than his skill did. The only thing we ever really saw from the timeskip is the flashback of Jman talking about all the hate in the world.

I agree there. Jiraiya should have taught him a nature release, sealing techniques, Bukijutsu, possibly sage mode and given him a legendary weapon like Kusangi, but it is what it is. He did teach him how to handle genjutsu better however lols. He also made him more tactical, observant and objective for battle, as well as improved his world view. I guess Kishimoto wanted to keep Naruto weak to make Sasuke look strong and to keep senjutsu in the dark until the Pein arc. And the arc sure as hell wasn't a waste for other characters like Sakura, Sasuke, Gaara, Kakashi, and the other K11.

-Skipping 7 swordsman of the mist, now this may have been done for anime filler...but Kishi needs to put his manga first before the anime. Why do these guys get more mentioning in the story than Izuna and Shisui, yet not only did they mean nothing except for killing Dai, but Mangetsu who is supposed to be the strongest got skipped in the manga and the anime! This is Suigetsu's brother after all, and he had all this hype behind him.

Agree a lot here. This is one of my three biggest criticisms of Naruto. I believe the seven swordsmen could have had their own arc in the war, been as strong as Akatsuki, fought and developed several other characters and been involved in the main plot more but for some reason they were cut out. My theory is that Kishimoto's jerk off editors and publishers made him cut them out along with several other fights in order to get to Madara, Obito and Kabuto faster. They did this with Hidan.

-5, 6, and 7 tails off screen capture, Jins and bijuus were a driving plot device for the villains in the story. We saw that Akatsuki got 2 of them before Gaara, but why were so many of these fights skipped? They were key fights for the story, even Roshi was skipped yet Kishimoto was nice enough to show the guy half-dead on Samehada? It wasn't even until this war that suddenly the Jinchuurikis got all of this attention, it wasn't even until a random cover page that we knew who the other jins were!

Actually, Utakata the six tails got his own arc in the anime, but I believe the direction with the bijuus was done well for the most part. Naruto didn't know them, they weren't main, powerful driving characters like Naruto, Gaara and Bee and showing them all fighting only to be captured in the end would have become repetitive, predictable and none-constructive to the story for me. I'd say the only exception would be Yagura since he, the swordsmen and the mist have had large development and involvement in the plot since the start of the series. He was also a kage, manipulated by Obito and Madara and seemingly the only Jin other than Naruto and Bee who harmonized with his bijuu. With this, I believe Kishimoto may have been forced to cut him out as well.

Learning nothing about the other villages until the kage summit, before the war arc we knew about the Sand village, we knew the mist was a screwed up village, we knew the lightning tried to steal Hinata, but we had nothing on the Stone village.

The stone village had no involvement in the plot prior to the kage arc however.

Why wouldn't Kishimoto build up each of the Village's hatred for each other? It would have made the Shinobi so much more significant for story's sake. To be fair, Kishimoto did at least show the relationship with the Leaf and Sand. But the Leaf and Sand had an established alliance at the beginning of part 2!

Kishimoto would have had to radically change the story to develop all five villages in the same manner as Konoha and Suna.

Neglecting Side characters such as K11, now I understand this story is mainly is about Naruto and Sasuke. But look at a show like Bleach, Bleach gives the side characters their time to shine, giving more depth to the story!

True, but for every light side, there's a dark. Not everyone enjoys the supporting characters of Bleach and often complain to see the main ones instead.

So many people talk about how Part 1 was better because it had so many interesting characters unlike Part 2, I can somewhat agree, we had kick ass characters like Lee and Neji that were dropped from the story after Part 1. Hell characters like Tenten, and Shino (he did have his bout with Kankuro) never even got a chance to shine to begin with.

While I believe team Asuma was done well, I agree team Gai and Kurenai could have been done better in part 2, yes. I especially wanted more involvement with Hinata, Neji and the Hyuuga in the story but I believe Kishimoto may have cut them out because he couldn't find a way to mesh them in, at least not in the way that he liked. The Hyuuga was also quite overpowered from the beginning of the series.

Do you guys agree? Or am I simply a blind hater that can't criticize a masterpiece story?

No, I believe you hit the spot quite well and were objective about it. The K11's small involvement in part 2, the edo seven swordsmen being cut out and Naruto not changing much in technique after the time-skip are my biggest criticisms as well. I wouldn't go so far as to call it lazy writing however. Kishimoto has deadlines, controlling editors and publishers and struggles to write at times as much as the next mangaka I'm sure.

Izuna all the way. We literally know little to nothing about him, and he was supposed to be respected as equally by the Uchiha as Madara was.

Oh baloney. Madara was the leader, the only one who fought Hashirama off and on and Izuna outright stated Madara was stronger when they were kids. Just because they both unlocked MS and sparred together doesn't mean they were equal.

 

[Gagster]

From boy-girl, or girl-boy?

I'm a girl, Inert Brianna takes too many characters so I just stuck with Brian.

k .

 

[Roronoa Solos]

Izuna all the way. We literally know little to nothing about him, and he was supposed to be respected as equally by the Uchiha as Madara was. Madara's past is incomplete, and Izuna was a huge part of his life. It drove him mad to the point of where he wanted to kill Hashirama, who used to be his closest friend, and Tobirama with his bear hands. I agree with the Shisui part too; there's so much left out about him and his powers that's it's not even funny.

Oh, and the Jinchuuriki too.

This, Izuna has to be one of the biggest backstory mysteries we have yet to learn about that is connected to so much things in the current plot . I mean you would think as one of the first ever mangekyou sharingan users we would at least know his abilities. I can't remember but did we even find out how Izuna and Madara first awakened their mangekyou in the first place.

 

[Inert Brian]

No, it's not. What drives Madara is his jealousy of Hashirama, feeling subjugated by the Senju, being alienated by his own clan and reading the Uchiha stone. Izuna died and he still made peace with them. And before that, he lost four or five other brothers. If you want to say Izuna was a factor, more power to you, but he was nowhere near the only factor.

Hmmm, that's very true that those factors play in to it as well. But wouldn't Izuna be the biggest part? Tobi (talking as Madara) talks about how Izuna sacrificed himself for the Uchiha clan, only to end up at peace with the Senju, which led to the chain reaction where Madara wanted to do more (there was the whole issue with what Tobirama said), which led to his clan turning their back on him.

I agree the Uchiha stone drove the plot, but it drove it in the sense of the way Madara wanted to achieve peace, not necessarily his motivation to change completely, as Tobirama said that Uchiha's go nuts when people close to them die (Obito, and Sasuke have shown this), even Hashirama made the bold claim that Madara-Izuna > Sasuke-Itachi relationship.

Izuna is too one-dimensional for me to care about his story, as subjective and superficial as that comes off. Shisui and the Ootsutsukis in my opinion are far more compelling.

I can understand this I suppose, Shisui is definitely the more interesting character because he was at least given enough backstory + fillers made him interesting. I just think Izuna needs at least some push in the anime, he did have MS after all, I feel like Tobirama's feat of killing him isn't much until we see what Izuna with MS was capable of.

That's what really pissed me off honestly, was how Uchihas have been hyped so much since the start, yet we literally saw nothing what the Senju could do, and the Senju beat them! I wish I added this to the thread, but that's why we have the "other" option lol.

Actually, Utakata the six tails got his own arc in the anime, but I believe the direction with the bijuus was done well for the most part. Naruto didn't know them, they weren't main, powerful driving characters like Naruto, Gaara and Bee and showing them all fighting only to be captured in the end would have become repetitive, predictable and none-constructive to the story for me. I'd say the only exception would be Yagura since he, the swordsmen and the mist have had large development and involvement in the plot since the start of the series. He was also a kage, manipulated by Obito and Madara and seemingly the only Jin other than Naruto and Bee who harmonized with his bijuu. With this, I believe Kishimoto may have been forced to cut him out as well.

He did get his arc, fair enough. I suppose I understand because you're right, the Bijuus had nothing to do with Naruto except that they all were given equal treatment. That is also true that it would have been repetitive, but they could've just shown some of the fighting, not necessarily the whole thing. Look at characters such as Sasori, and Kakuzu. We only saw them in one big fight.

My one problem is that as I said earlier, it was the driving force of the plot. It never really seemed suspenseful that Akatsuki was gathering bijuu, the idea just felt "there", it really wasn't until they sent Sasuke after Killer Bee that it even seemed like a growing conflict, since afterwards once they form the alliance there are talks about hiding Naruto and Bee. The other thing is that wouldn't the lightning village have done something after finding out Nii Yugito was captured? I find it odd Raikage would have sat there quietly, knowing that his brother was also going to be targeted.