Madara surpassed Kaguya ?

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Your grasp of what is happening is... Not good.
Everything Madara has was originally the Sage's... And Madara has less of it. Therefore the Sage still has more power than Madara for the time being.
And the fruit hasn't grown on the tree... You seriously just made that part up.

Now, since the Sage has more power than Madara, and the Sage admitted inferiority to Kaguya, and all three have the same powers, Kaguya is at the top, the Sage is second, and Madara is third.
But I seriously doubt you'll understand that. You're just going to fanboy at me if anything.

[ ] Juubi missing Chakra doesn't effect its power.
[ ] Madara absorbing the Shinju shows the fruit is at full power.

AS USUAL, no scans to support your nonsense, and you spew it like a fact, when its an OPINION of a bias. I know you want Kaguya to be final villain, but it wont happen (Lol). Try again.
 

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If it was as powerful as it was in its prime then Obito wouldn't of said he would of preferred to have it in its original state
 

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not yet he surpassed Hagoromo but not Kaguya i think
 

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Chakra power/amount wise: Kaguya>=Hagoromo > Madara (due to Having Yin Kurama which Madara lacks)
Skillwise/amount of abilities : Madara > Hagoromo > Kagyua (Madara: Double Rinnegan + Juubi eye, nuff said)
Powerwise(Overall): Madara ~Hagoromo~Kagyua

Result: I think overall they are all on par with each other while everyone of them have advanatge in one field and disadvantage in other.

Just my thoughs
 

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Chakra power/amount wise: Kaguya>=Hagoromo > Madara (due to Having Yin Kurama which Madara lacks)
Skillwise/amount of abilities : Madara > Hagoromo > Kagyua (Madara: Double Rinnegan + Juubi eye, nuff said)
Powerwise(Overall): Madara ~Hagoromo~Kagyua

Result: I think overall they are all on par with each other while everyone of them have advanatge in one field and disadvantage in other.

Just my thoughs

I can agree with this..... I suppose they are really generally around the same level nao.....

Though I believe Madara has the strongest chakra.....

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I can agree with this..... I suppose they are really generally around the same level nao.....

Though I believe Madara has the strongest chakra.....

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He said he's the last one with the strongest chakra. Hagoromo and Kaguya are dead.
 

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[ ] Juubi missing Chakra doesn't effect its power.
[ ] Madara absorbing the Shinju shows the fruit is at full power.

AS USUAL, no scans to support your nonsense, and you spew it like a fact, when its an OPINION of a bias. I know you want Kaguya to be final villain, but it wont happen (Lol). Try again.

I concede that, apparently, just having a fraction of a whole = a whole... Even though that makes no sense. Either that, or it was merely enough power to create the Juubi, which was enough for Tobi's goal. Open to interpretation. But let's act like a fraction equals a whole, Madara is at the Sage's level, not Kaguya's.
But secondly, no. It does not. There was no mention of the fruit and it was never shown. That scan doesn't prove anything, except for Kaguya's presence.

And at the bold... Don't even start with those double standards lol. When I give scans of Yata Mirror being unbreakable you go off on your own invalid opinion about how Kishi has to give proof or something, but now you act like Kishi's word is final?
Lol, you joke.

And regarding Kaguya being FV... Where did this totally new topic come from? Just aching to beat off to Madara more than you already do?
 
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Yes....I feel this to be a logical way of thinking... Though I project nothing it is just how I feel.

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This is the most current of the three. RikudouMadara, The Rikudou, and Kaguya. If The Rikudou says he's trying to get close to he and his mothers power....and Madara just obtained Kaguyas power... He has surpassed The Rikudou. When he absorbed the Tree the Tomoe on his cloak increased to signify a power up.....He has more than everyone. I believe this is when he was slightly weaker than The Rikudou..... When he obtained both Rinnegan I feel he surpassed him... When he obtained The Juubi eye....it is when he surpassed Kaguya....

If he has The dreadful power of Kaguya that The Rikudou said made her so powerful..... How is Madara not stronger.....? Everything in the past matters not. Kaguyas power>The Rikudous.... Madara has that power so Madara>The Rikudou.... Nao I believe he is above Kaguya because she has The Juubi eye and two Byakugan..... Madara has the Trees eye and two Rinnegan. Iirc Rinnegan>>>>>>>>Byakugan..... Though the strength depends on the user and Madara I feel is more than adept with it.

@Lady Kaguya, Kaguya does not have the Rinnegan..... The Juubi eye is a sharingan.... Only Madara and The Rikudou awakened the full power of the Rinnegan. She gained the eye via way of the fruit. Not through the moon and Rinnegan.

Well I think your premise is correct however your point of view surely affect your opinion.

@ bold part, Of course I agree that Madara acquired Kagyua's powers/abilities a top of his own + double Rinnegan's abilities. He also surprassed The Rikudou skillwise/ amount of abilties most likely, but he is still below chakra amount wise as he lacks Yin Kurama still, bit of tailed beasts chakra which Naruto got are irreleveant, but Yin Kurama matters.

@ underlined part, Well once again you show that your logic is correct and have strong base for your thoughts, however you can not ignore that Madara still lack Yin Kurama which he will never get most likely. If Madara had Yin Kurama as of now then I would indoublty says Madara is the strongest in NV not matter skillwise or chakra amount/raw power wise.

@ Red color font, well I don't have any proof but I am almost sure Hagoromo only considered himself as Noone JIn when he compared himself and others to his mother, in other word Prime jin Hagoromo could be on par or around her level at least. The fact that Prime Jin Hagoromo had no threat to fight/face at his time hints that he has never had opportunity to check his power/strength so I can be correct.

I can go along with rest you stated, except putting Madara higher then Hagoromo and Kagyua in ALL CATEGORIES...

This is how I see them:

Chakra power/amount wise: Kaguya>=Hagoromo > Madara (due to Having Yin Kurama which Madara lacks)
Skillwise/amount of abilities : Madara > Hagoromo > Kagyua (Madara: Double Rinnegan + Juubi eye, nuff said)
Powerwise(Overall): Madara ~Hagoromo~Kagyua

Result: I think overall they are all on par with each other while everyone of them have advanatge in one field and disadvantage in other.

Just my thoughs. Of course I can change my mind when I see more from Madara in incomming chapters.

I can agree with this..... I suppose they are really generally around the same level nao.....

Though I believe Madara has the strongest chakra.....

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Let Madara takes Yin Kurama and I easily claim Madara is the strongest in all categories and overall, but until then he is on par with them. Kagyua and Hagoromo have raw chakra amount advantage while Madara has amount of skills advantage.
 
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He said he's the last one with the strongest chakra. Hagoromo and Kaguya are dead.

Yes I know... Though he says he is with the strongest of chakra.... Anywho... The Viz is very different I believe.... In the *********** he says in the end I will have the strongest chakra.... Though I still believe him to be superior to all other characters.... that's just me. No disrespect to what you believe....
 

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Yes I know... Though he says he is with the strongest of chakra.... Anywho... The Viz is very different I believe.... In the *********** he says in the end I will have the strongest chakra.... Though I still believe him to be superior to all other characters.... that's just me. No disrespect to what you believe....

No problem
 

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Well I think your premise is correct however your point of view surely affect your opinion.

@ bold part, Of course I agree that Madara acquired Kagyua's powers/abilities a top of his own + double Rinnegan's abilities. He also surprassed The Rikudou skillwise/ amount of abilties most likely, but he is still below chakra amount wise as he lacks Yin Kurama still, bit of tailed beasts chakra which Naruto got are irreleveant, but Yin Kurama matters.

@ underlined part, Well once again you show that your logic is correct and have strong base for your thoughts, however you can not ignore that Madara still lack Yin Kurama which he will never get most likely. If Madara had Yin Kurama as of now then I would indoublty says Madara is the strongest in NV not matter skillwise or chakra amount/raw power wise.

@ Red color font, well I don't have any proof but I am almost share Hagoromo only considered himself as Noone JIn when he compared himself and others to his mother, in other word Prime jin Hagoromo could be on par or around her level at least. The fact that Prime Jin Hagoromo had no threat to fight/face at his time hints that he has never had opportunity to check his power/strength so I can be correct.

I can go along with rest you stated, except putting Madara higher then Hagoromo and Kagyua in ALL CATEGORIES...

This is how I see them:

Chakra power/amount wise: Kaguya>=Hagoromo > Madara (due to Having Yin Kurama which Madara lacks)
Skillwise/amount of abilities : Madara > Hagoromo > Kagyua (Madara: Double Rinnegan + Juubi eye, nuff said)
Powerwise(Overall): Madara ~Hagoromo~Kagyua

Result: I think overall they are all on par with each other while everyone of them have advanatge in one field and disadvantage in other.

Just my thoughs. Of course I can change my mind when I see more from Madara in incomming chapters.



Let Madara takes Yin Kurama and I easily claim Madara is the strongest in all categories and overall, but until then he is on par with them. Kagyua and Hagoromo have raw chakra amount advantage while Madara has amount of skills advantage.

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Well I had believed that Madara atleast surpassed Hagoromo but others convinced me otherwise.

IMO

Kaguya > Hagoromo > Madara
 

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Madara has yet to eat the fruit so no.and he doesnt even wield the same scale of chakra than the sage.half of kurama is a lot actually.so kaguya>hagoromo>madara
 

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Madara has yet to eat the fruit so no.and he doesnt even wield the same scale of chakra than the sage.half of kurama is a lot actually.so kaguya>hagoromo>madara
Chakra is nothing anymore at this level . Dude EMS / Mokuton/PS/Metorites spam etc etc etc are more needed in this Top.....**** thiy shit
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