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Uzumaki & Senju & Uchiha
Hi all just wanted to make a thread to discuss the Uzumaki with regards to their bloodline vs the Senju, Uchiha and how it seems to tie into Madara (Rinnegan)/Gedo Mazo using chakra chains.
Uzumaki:
Bloodline powers:
Chakra chains (Elements of Yin release half Banbutso Sozo (Sasuke))
Strong life force (Strong yang chakra or does it mean something more?)
Ashura Transmigration
Senju:
Bloodline powers:
Mokuton?
Strong yang chakra
Ashura Transmigration
Uchiha:
Sharingan, evolved to Rinnegan (depending on circumstances).
Strong Yin chakra
Indra Transmigration
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Okay I listed it out I want to draw attention to the Chakra chains of the Uzumaki:
Unlike many ninja techniques that manipulate the elements or release natured chakra from the users body into the environment to produce effects the Uzumaki chains are created from the users body, which are actual chains.
For example it is not like Jiton which manipulates iron sand to create objects, it manipulates already existing matter through natured chakra. I don't believe any other ninja technique we have seen actually creates something just from their chakra being manifested.
Mokuton is similar I believe in that it creates trees, living beings from natured chakra. Then again Mokuton's own nature is very suspicious as a sub-element it makes me question what it actually is. It seems more like an aspect of Banbutso sozo than anything else, form and life to creating things no?
Creating something from nothing is an aspect of Banbutso sozo, the creation of all things.
However creating the chains of the Uzumaki is only one aspect of the Banbutsu sozo. Its aspect is the Yin half of the technique, giving physical form to chakra. The chains are not alive ergo they are only the Yin part of the technique. I believe its something Sasuke could also do if he so wished if he wasn't above such a technique in his current state.
How the Uzumaki can wield the YIN part of Banbutso sozo is very interesting and truly makes me question their relationship to both the Senju and the Uchiha.
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Now if you didn't want to entertain the above idea as anything possible lets discuss the other aspects of how the Uzumaki relate to the Uchiha and Senju.
Their "Body" seems to be the same as the Senju's own bloodline trait at first, however I have to question the leaf villages use of foreign ninja from Uzu to serve as the jinchuriki of the Kyuubi. They could have used a Senju just as easily, someone that would have been undoubtedly loyal to the village. Why use Kushina why not use someone else like Nawaki? Kushina says her chakra was special....well apparently not that special considering Karin the only other example of Uzumaki we have to draw on has the exact same ability.
The difference in their Era's isn't that great, Nawaki wouldn't have been much older than Kushina he could have been an acceptable candidate for Jinchuriki as well.
Then again I might just be farting out my ass. I still find it very suspicious though.
Overall I'm not convinced that the Uzumaki Bloodline trait is the same as the Senju's own. I'm probably wrong meh.
Why is it that the Uzumaki can produce chains from just their chakra much like the Yin half of Banbutso sozo yet be completely unrelated to the Uchiha?
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Now we have seen Madara using the Gedo Mazo to produce chakra chains to drag the tailed beasts into the Mazo, we have seen Obito do the same. Is this an ability of the Mazo? Or is it Madara's own chakra producing them. It certainly seemed like he had direct control over their movements.
Why is it that the Uzumaki chains and Gedo's look so similar, both have barbs. It can't be a coincidence, Kishi isn't one to do things that way. These chains have been described as the "evil" chains of the outer path of the Rinnegan. Banbutso Sozo would also be defined as an outer path technique, as you are creating things out with Samsara, you are creating new things. Why they are "evil" is a mystery to me, it didn't seem like there was anything particularly evil about them apart from being used by a madman like Madara.
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One aspect that speaks strongly for the Uzumaki and the Senju being one and the same is Ashura's transmigration. The fact that Ashura reincarnated into Naruto tells us that the Uzumaki must be related to the younger son in some way, either that or Minato was a senju lol, not as daft as it sounds in fact.
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Overall I've just listed a bunch of stuff for everyone to mull over, if you don't agree state why, don't just say "I don't think so." Lawl had enough of that so far. Also please state ideas as to how you think the Uzumaki might be related to the Uchiha for their Chakra chains to make sense.
Hi all just wanted to make a thread to discuss the Uzumaki with regards to their bloodline vs the Senju, Uchiha and how it seems to tie into Madara (Rinnegan)/Gedo Mazo using chakra chains.
Uzumaki:
Bloodline powers:
Chakra chains (Elements of Yin release half Banbutso Sozo (Sasuke))
Strong life force (Strong yang chakra or does it mean something more?)
Ashura Transmigration
Senju:
Bloodline powers:
Mokuton?
Strong yang chakra
Ashura Transmigration
Uchiha:
Sharingan, evolved to Rinnegan (depending on circumstances).
Strong Yin chakra
Indra Transmigration
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Okay I listed it out I want to draw attention to the Chakra chains of the Uzumaki:
Unlike many ninja techniques that manipulate the elements or release natured chakra from the users body into the environment to produce effects the Uzumaki chains are created from the users body, which are actual chains.
For example it is not like Jiton which manipulates iron sand to create objects, it manipulates already existing matter through natured chakra. I don't believe any other ninja technique we have seen actually creates something just from their chakra being manifested.
Mokuton is similar I believe in that it creates trees, living beings from natured chakra. Then again Mokuton's own nature is very suspicious as a sub-element it makes me question what it actually is. It seems more like an aspect of Banbutso sozo than anything else, form and life to creating things no?
Creating something from nothing is an aspect of Banbutso sozo, the creation of all things.
However creating the chains of the Uzumaki is only one aspect of the Banbutsu sozo. Its aspect is the Yin half of the technique, giving physical form to chakra. The chains are not alive ergo they are only the Yin part of the technique. I believe its something Sasuke could also do if he so wished if he wasn't above such a technique in his current state.
How the Uzumaki can wield the YIN part of Banbutso sozo is very interesting and truly makes me question their relationship to both the Senju and the Uchiha.
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Now if you didn't want to entertain the above idea as anything possible lets discuss the other aspects of how the Uzumaki relate to the Uchiha and Senju.
Their "Body" seems to be the same as the Senju's own bloodline trait at first, however I have to question the leaf villages use of foreign ninja from Uzu to serve as the jinchuriki of the Kyuubi. They could have used a Senju just as easily, someone that would have been undoubtedly loyal to the village. Why use Kushina why not use someone else like Nawaki? Kushina says her chakra was special....well apparently not that special considering Karin the only other example of Uzumaki we have to draw on has the exact same ability.
The difference in their Era's isn't that great, Nawaki wouldn't have been much older than Kushina he could have been an acceptable candidate for Jinchuriki as well.
Then again I might just be farting out my ass. I still find it very suspicious though.
Overall I'm not convinced that the Uzumaki Bloodline trait is the same as the Senju's own. I'm probably wrong meh.
Why is it that the Uzumaki can produce chains from just their chakra much like the Yin half of Banbutso sozo yet be completely unrelated to the Uchiha?
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Now we have seen Madara using the Gedo Mazo to produce chakra chains to drag the tailed beasts into the Mazo, we have seen Obito do the same. Is this an ability of the Mazo? Or is it Madara's own chakra producing them. It certainly seemed like he had direct control over their movements.
Why is it that the Uzumaki chains and Gedo's look so similar, both have barbs. It can't be a coincidence, Kishi isn't one to do things that way. These chains have been described as the "evil" chains of the outer path of the Rinnegan. Banbutso Sozo would also be defined as an outer path technique, as you are creating things out with Samsara, you are creating new things. Why they are "evil" is a mystery to me, it didn't seem like there was anything particularly evil about them apart from being used by a madman like Madara.
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One aspect that speaks strongly for the Uzumaki and the Senju being one and the same is Ashura's transmigration. The fact that Ashura reincarnated into Naruto tells us that the Uzumaki must be related to the younger son in some way, either that or Minato was a senju lol, not as daft as it sounds in fact.
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Overall I've just listed a bunch of stuff for everyone to mull over, if you don't agree state why, don't just say "I don't think so." Lawl had enough of that so far. Also please state ideas as to how you think the Uzumaki might be related to the Uchiha for their Chakra chains to make sense.
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an Kato is nota Senju.The Kato surname is proof of that alone with the fact that there wasn't one mention of Dan being a Senju in the manga
