Hashirama is the strongest

[Lord Tywin]

Please show me where in the manga he has Ashura's chakra? Ashura simply reincarnated into him because they shared similar ideologies, much like all those who he reincarnated before Hashi.

Really? Then Itachi and shisui were Ashura's reincarnation as well since they had ideas of a hokage. All reincarnations of Ashura and Indra inherited the chakra as well

 

[HashiramaDescendant]

Hashirama and Naruto are the only reincarnations, so that makes them special. And strong as f*ck obviously.

That is true, but Naruto without Kurama is like the military without ammunition.

 

[Lord Tywin]

That is true, but Naruto without Kurama is like the military without ammunition.

where would Hashirama be without mokuton? He was the only one in senju with mokuton because he inherited something others didn't and it was ashura's chakra

 

[HashiramaDescendant]

Really? Then Itachi and shisui were Ashura's reincarnation as well since they had ideas of a hokage. All reincarnations of Ashura and Indra inherited the chakra as well

Until I get manga proof, it's just an assumption that he received powers from Ashura.
Ashura incarnated him because he was powerful (and they shared similar ideas), never did Ashura give any of his incarnates power nor did Indra.

 

[Ababeel]

Hashirama being the strongest, excluding the Hagaromo and Kaguya (Hashirama could beat Indra and Ashura, high-diff, imo), without outside/given/borrowed powers is not debatable; it's pretty much fact.

Lol, no.

Gai without having any inherited power, KKG, and being related to the sage is stronger than Hashirama.

 

[Youngkhalifa]

I agree completely. I never agreed that Hiruzen > Hashi.
But I don't agree with Hashi being the strongest.
What do you say to Hashi going against people like Minato, Obito, or Pain?
Not saying he couldn't kill Minato but it'd be rather hard b/c of FTG but the other two I seriously doubt he'd beat.

Sage mode counters FTG as Madara countered Tobirama FTG attack

 

[Lord Tywin]

Until I get manga proof, it's just an assumption that he received powers from Ashura.
Ashura incarnated him because he was powerful (and they shared similar ideas), never did Ashura give any of his incarnates power nor did Indra.

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Madara took a part of Ashura's chakra, meaning Hashirama here, and then fused with his own chakra to get sage's chakra

 

[Ashura San]

Sage mode counters FTG as Madara countered Tobirama FTG attack

So what about Obito then? Then only reason Naruto could touch Obito was b/c Kakshi was there. Kamui (right eye) may be the best defense technique out there.

 

[HashiramaDescendant]

Lol, no.

Gai without having any inherited power, KKG, and being related to the sage is stronger than Hashirama.

At the cost of his life, he could give Hashirama a run for his money, but there is no guarantee that Guy would prevail... Hashi's wounds would heal automatically and Guy would be on the ground dying.

 

[Vapid]

Lol, no.

Gai without having any inherited power, KKG, and being related to the sage is stronger than Hashirama.

Eight Gates Gai doesn't beat Sage Mode Hashirama.

 

[HashiramaDescendant]

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Madara took a part of Ashura's chakra, meaning Hashirama here, and then fused with his own chakra to get sage's chakra

That only means Senju and Uchiha chakra. Never has it been stated that Hashirama received any powers from Ashura or Madara with Indra. If that were the case, Naruto and Sasuke's chakra together would bring out the sage... except for the fact that it WOULDN'T, at least not before their power-up.

 

[startup97]

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[Vapid]

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Edo Madara and Nagato are enough to beat Hashirama. Kabuto has dozens of strong shinobi which together would rape hashirama

Except Nagato gets beat med-diff and Edo Madara was only equal to Edo Hashirama, who himself wasn't at full strength.

In a 1v1 with Hashi, Kabuto gets raped by the wood.

 

[Omnislash X SageMode]

so you limit everyone else but hashi? Bruh...

 

[Lord Tywin]

Except Nagato gets beat med-diff and Edo Madara was only equal to Edo Hashirama, who himself wasn't at full strength.

you forgot that I said kabuto has dozens of strong shinobi.

 

[HashiramaDescendant]

So what about Obito then? Then only reason Naruto could touch Obito was b/c Kakshi was there. Kamui (right eye) may be the best defense technique out there.

And defense ONLY. Offensive-wise, Obito wouldn't stand a chance against Hashirama w/o outside powers.

 

[Ashura San]

That only means Senju and Uchiha chakra. Never has it been stated that Hashirama received any powers from Ashura or Madara with Indra. If that were the case, Naruto and Sasuke's chakra together would bring out the sage... except for the fact that it WOULDN'T, at least not before their power-up.

You're contradicting the manga. Why wouldn't their chakra bring out the sage's power if Maddy and Hashi's did and they were both the reincarnations of Indra and Ashura.

 

[Lord Tywin]

That only means Senju and Uchiha chakra. Never has it been stated that Hashirama received any powers from Ashura or Madara with Indra. If that were the case, Naruto and Sasuke's chakra together would bring out the sage... except for the fact that it WOULDN'T, at least not before their power-up.

it seems you can't even read. sage clearly said that madara took chakra from Ashura, which was hashirama at that point, and fused it with his chakra, which was indra's, and awakened rinnegan. Naruto and Sasuke's chakra right now merged together would give birth to sage because they have Indra's and Ashura's chakra

 

[HashiramaDescendant]

so you limit everyone else but hashi? Bruh...

I'm only stating canon manga facts. Hashirama is the strongest w/o outside powers other than the 2 founder shinobi (Kaguya and Hagoromo) and possibly Guy when he's risking his own life.

 

[Youngkhalifa]

So what about Obito then? Then only reason Naruto could touch Obito was b/c Kakshi was there. Kamui (right eye) may be the best defense technique out there.

Its hard to say about Obito but if Hashirama have a jutsu that can last over 5 minutes he can defeat obito wins but the again what does obito have that can defeat Hashirama? Catching him using Kamui is is best bet but I cant see him catching a shinobi of Hashirama's caliber but hey it could go either way between these two. IMO Hashi=Obito