Origins of mysterious weapons and jutsus

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Here you can theorize where unelaborated weapons and techniques originated from.

Totsuka Blade and Yata Mirror

The Totsuka Blade is said to be an etherial weapon that no one could see or find. My guess with Itachi si that he was able to find it by using his sharingan and a text he found when he explored ruins as a child here.

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I believe these ruins were likely the those of the Uzumaki village and that through their inscriptions he was able to find both the Totsuka Blade and Yata Mirror which I believe were either forged by the Uzumakis or Hagoromo's brother. Both are sealing weapons that absorb or nullify all jutsu and entities and the marking on the Yata Mirror resembles the Uzumaki crest.

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In regards to being made by Hagoromo's brother, they appear to be mystic items just like the six paths tools giving the impression that they parallel them.

Kamui

We all know Kamui is Obito's MS technique, but what of its mysterious dimension? Where exactly is this place? Inside his mind, his eye, his body or just outside of reality period?

My belief is that it's in his eye and that Indra was in fact the one who created the dimension. Indra was the sire of the Uchiha, thus it's a safe bet he may have possessed several MS techniques. His MS is also spiral, reflecting Kamui's shape.

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I believe that Obito unlocking Kamui was a technique trait/kekkei Genki he obtained from Indra's bloodline that allowd him to access the dimension. This also reflects Madara being able to summon the Mazou and obtain the six paths from his rinnegan.

It's also stated he and the Uchiha found out the secret to unlocking the rinnegan, which would give them access to it and possibly onmyouton. The fact that the Uchiha were also able to invent Izanagi and Izanami derived from the same thing also supports this.

Reaper Death Seal

Many have theorized that Kaguya may in fact be the shinigami either sealed in the reaper death seal jutsu or taking the form of death as punishment for her deeds. Her features, stances and silhoutettes greatly support this as well as Hagoromo's revelation that she became like a demon.

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However, being that the shinigami appears to be a man and also takes on Hagoromo's brother's features, is it also possible it could be him? He appearing to be a sealer could also support this and his resembles a buddhist monk staff used for exorcism and the warding off of evil.

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Flying Thunder God

It's stated that Flying Thunder god is a space/time jutsu that takes you to a dimensional void just like Kamui, however, it's also stated it is Tobirama's technique. Nevertheless, I can't recall him directly stating he invented it, just that it's his jutsu. How could he develop such a jutsu and gain access to such a place if he does not possess the techniques and chakras of the Rikudou, Uchihas and Uzumakis? It baffles me and I have little to go on, but, it appears he and Minato etch formula seals on the kunai to use the technique. This could imply it is actually an Uzumaki technique and that they may have created the dimension somehow, similar to the inside of the shinigami's stomach.

Seven Mist Swords

I'd say it's safe to assume the swords of the seven swordsmen of the mist are also mystic items. One, the samehada, is a living breathing being that absorbs chakra, another absorbs the bearer's chakra and manipulates it, a third regenerates by devouring an opponent's blood and a forth has supernatural penetrating force. A scroll of unknown origin also has the power to seal or summon all of them. Based on this, I'd say they are mystic items created by either Hagoromo or his brother using pieces of the juubi. The samehada possesses the ability like the shinju to absorb chakra and the executioner blade can regenerate in a similar manner. I had a theory a long time ago when the edo seven swordsmen were revealed that their swords combined would create Hagoromo's sword. Basically the one he wielded in battle with the juubi and more or less the sword of nunoboko that Obito pull out. Though that appeared to not be the case, I belive Kishimoto may have originally intended it but cut the plot for it out due to time restraints and editors.

Orochimaru's white snake form

It was never elaborately explained exactly how Orochimaru obtained that strange snake form or how he invented that transmigration dimension but I have a theory. Sasuke stated transmigrating and experimenting on his body must have done it. I'd say that Orochimaru himself is somehow descended from Hagoromo or his brother as well but misused the powers he obtained from them and it morphed his body. I believe he may have had the ability to master senjutsu, but did not possess the objectivity of nature or the tranquil mind, body or patience to, thus he injected juugo's cells into himself, and, reacting to his lineage, it morphed him. Transmigrating and taking on the dna and chakras of others may have hastened and further concocted this and it unnaturally unlocked his potential chakra and allowed him to create a dimension inside of himself using the unstable senjutsu and DNA of juugo's clan.

The Sannin summons

Based on Gamamaru's age, he being an oracle and Hagoromo knowing him, I've theorized he may have been his summon. To parallel this, it may also mean the white snake sage may have also been his brother's summon while Katsuyu's full form may have been Kaguya's.

Going further with this, based on Gamakichi being Naruto's first summon and he growing up with him, I'd say it's also possible, based on his knowledge of the bijuus, being old himself as well as the chief sage that Gamabunta may have been Ashura's summon that grew up with him. To parallel this, Manda may have been Indra's, being that they seem to reflect each others' personalities and it would also reflect Hebi Sasuke and Orochimaru's antagonism.

The Kusanagi swords

The Kusanagi swords are also mysterious weapons of unknown origin with incredible cutting power and resilience. The best I can think of with these is that they are either the swords wielded by Hagoromo and his brother when they fought the juubi or were possibly swords forged by the snake sages. Jiraiya himself also possessed swords of unknown origin he used against Pein called the stone swords which could also support this.

Senjutsu mastery

Why do you think it is that Hashirama, Naruto and Kabuto were able to master sage mode while Jiraiya, Minato and even Orochimaru were not able to? There are many theories. First and foremost is that it appears the use of senjutsu originated from Hagoromo and his brother, which could imply those with the closest lineage to them would possess a greater affinity and skill with it. Hashirama is a pure Senju descended from Ashura as well as his reincarnation. Naruto is not a pure blood senju or even a pure uzumaki, but he is still descended from both bloodlines, is half Uzumaki and also Ashura's reincarnation. We do not know the origins of Minat's family, but given that his Bijuu mode parallels Naruto's and he was a prodigy able to master several forbidden jutsus as well as invent his own, perhaps this means he is descended from Senju after all, especially since he hailed from their village, however his blood ties to them may be be much more thinned compared to Naruto and Kushina's. This could apply to Jiraiya, whom I also believe is descended from the senju as well as Orochimaru. Although in Orochimaru's case, as I stated earlier, I believe he possessed great potential but lacked the calmness and understanding of nature and had a troubled and tainted mind, body and heart to master senjutsu. In Kabuto's case, seeing as his village was destroyed around the time Naruto was born, I'd say it's a safe bet he hailed from Uzushiogakure and shared blood ties with the Uzumakis. This combined with his great intellect, patience and calmness may have allowed him to master senjutsu. I also believe he may have actually done it long before the war arc.
 
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Kabubo didn't master sage mode.
 

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Interesting. I agree with most of it except indra possessing all MS powers. I don't think indra posseses all MS powers because Ashura wouldn't stand a chance against him with those.
 

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Incorrect. He mastered Snake Sage Mode, transcending onto Dragon Sage Mode. He said it himself.

He was boasting. He needed others DNA to access sage mode and he still had physical deformities, which is a clear sign of imperfect sage mode.
 

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About Sage Mode:

Minato: Has control but can't absorb enough chakra to be perfect
Jiraya: Can absorb enough chakra hut can't control it
Orochimaru: His body can't take it
 

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The series is ending, do people really care about this
 

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other than relating everything to SO6P, his brother and/or uzumaki/uchiha can you come up with other theories? I find it somewhat implausible that almost everything revolves around them regarding these
 

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The series is ending, do people really care about this

Just because the manga is ending does not mean Kishimoto will not further expand on it in some way. Akatsuki's origins and Shisui will be revealed in the coming game.

other than relating everything to SO6P, his brother and/or uzumaki/uchiha can you come up with other theories? I find it somewhat implausible that almost everything revolves around them regarding these

I did. I also related the juubi, Kaguya, the snake sages and Juugo's clan to them.
 
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