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Human knowledge is dependent on both experience and reason. Experience provides the “manifold” or material of knowledge; reason provides the necessary, infallible principles by which to abstract the general and to order the manifold of experience. In other words, human knowledge begins with sensory experience, which is an awareness of the concrete particular. Sense experience, however, gives the particular and never the general. Knowledge of the general is possible only on the possession of rational powers. Sense and reason, then, are two faculties which, while quite different, can supply objectively valid judgments of things only in conjunction with each other.

To have sense and sense organs is prerequisite for perception and the acquisition of knowledge about the external world. Sense organs receive impressions of perceptible objects and transmit them as raw materials to the mind. In addition, sense organs can report to the mind the precedence of the impressions, but it is not in the capacity of sense to comprehend the relations or establish connections among the sensory impressions. For instance, through the action of sense organs we do feel the curative effect of medicine after we take it, and, this experience repeated, we deduced that “medicine is the cause of cure.” The implicit syllogism underlying this conclusion consists of the premise that “medicine precedes cure cannot be accidental.” In other words, in argumentative syllogisms, if, for instance, the minor premise is reached through sense organs, the major premise must be general, rational law so that a conclusion may be drawn. Thus, to deduce a conclusion from sense impressions depends on the reasoning power of the intellect, without which man’s knowledge must be a pile of unrelated sense impressions.

A reference to the Qur’an2 :55: “And when you said: O Moses, we will not believe in thee till we see Allah manifestly, so the punishment overtook you while you looked on.”
A reference to the Qur’an,6 :103. The physical vision of man, working as it does only within narrow limits and being able only to see bodies, cannot comprehend the Infinite One. He sees everyone and everything but cannot be seen.

philosophy of Illumination

One of the most valuable schools of Islamic philosophy, the philosophy of Illumination combines Neoplatonic and Islamic ideas. According to this philosophy, the source of all things is Absolute Light. That which is visible requires no definition, and nothing is more visible than light, whose every nature consists in manifestation. We may distinguish two illuminations, i.e. modes of being of the Primal Light:

1/ pure, abstract, formless;
2/ accidental derivative, possessing form.

Pure light is self-conscious substance (spirit of soul), knowing itself through itself ‘for whatever knows itself must be pure light’. Accidental light is related to pure light as effect to cause and only exists as attribute in association with the illuminated object.

Accidental light is of two kinds:

a) dark substance;
B) dark forms, i.e. quantities,


and the combination of these two make up a material body. Since darkness is nothing but the absence of light, and light is identical with reality, the substance and forms of the universe consist of illumination diffused from Primal Light in infinite gradation of intensity. It follows that everything partakes of reality in proportion to the radiance which it receives and toward which it ever moves ‘with lover’s passion, in order to drink more and more of the original fountain of Light.’ This perpetual flow and ebb of desire produces the revolutions of the heavenly spheres, the processes of nature, and all human activities. While the entire universe is eternal as emanating from Eternal Light, but contingent if regarded as the object of irradiation, some illuminations are simple, others compound and therefore inferior. The intelligences, the celestial spheres, the souls of the heavens, time, motion, and the archetypes of the elements belong to a higher world, which may be called eternal in contrast with all below it, though in the relation existing between them not posteriority but parallelism is implied.
 

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really nice and deep thread i enjoyed reading every part of it
 

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what's your point? I don't get it...do you want to present Islam to us? show us it's philoshopical side?

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Can you summarize this? >.>
 

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what's your point? I don't get it...do you want to present Islam to us? show us it's philoshopical side?

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Existentialism:

According to Mulla Sadra, "existence precedes the essence and is thus principal since something has to exist first and then have an essence." It is notable that for Mulla Sadra this was a question that specifically applied to God and God's position in the universe, especially in the context of reconciling God's position in the Qur'an verses cosmological philosophies of Islam's Golden Era

Mulla Sadra metaphysics gave priority "Ab initio" to existence, over quiddity. That is to say, essences are determined and variable according to existential "intensity", (to use Henry Corbin's definition), and as such essences are not immutable.The advantage to this schema is that it is acceptable to the fundamental statements of the Qur'an, even as it does not necessarily debilitate any previous Islamic philosopher's Aristotelian or Platonic foundations.

Indeed, Mulla Sadra provides immutability only to God, while intrinsically linking essence and existence to each other, and God's power over existence. In so doing, Mulla Sadra simultaneously provided for God's authority over all things, while also solving the problem of God's knowledge of particulars, including those that are evil, without being inherently responsible for them — even as God's authority over the existence of existences that provide the framework for evil to exist. This clever solution provides for Freedom of Will, God's Supremacy, the Infiniteness of God's Knowledge, the existence of Evil, and a definition of existence and essence which leaves two inextricably linked insofar as Man is concerned, but fundamentally separate insofar as God is concerned.

To paraphrase Mulla Sadra's Logical Proof for God:

There is a being
This being is a perfection beyond all perfection
God is Perfect and Perfection in existence
Existence is a singular and simple reality
That singular reality is graded in intensity in a scale of perfection
That scale must have a limit point, a point of greatest intensity and of greatest existence
Therefore God exists
 

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Existentialism:

According to Mulla Sadra, "existence precedes the essence and is thus principal since something has to exist first and then have an essence." It is notable that for Mulla Sadra this was a question that specifically applied to God and God's position in the universe, especially in the context of reconciling God's position in the Qur'an verses cosmological philosophies of Islam's Golden Era

Mulla Sadra metaphysics gave priority "Ab initio" to existence, over quiddity. That is to say, essences are determined and variable according to existential "intensity", (to use Henry Corbin's definition), and as such essences are not immutable.The advantage to this schema is that it is acceptable to the fundamental statements of the Qur'an, even as it does not necessarily debilitate any previous Islamic philosopher's Aristotelian or Platonic foundations.

Indeed, Mulla Sadra provides immutability only to God, while intrinsically linking essence and existence to each other, and God's power over existence. In so doing, Mulla Sadra simultaneously provided for God's authority over all things, while also solving the problem of God's knowledge of particulars, including those that are evil, without being inherently responsible for them — even as God's authority over the existence of existences that provide the framework for evil to exist. This clever solution provides for Freedom of Will, God's Supremacy, the Infiniteness of God's Knowledge, the existence of Evil, and a definition of existence and essence which leaves two inextricably linked insofar as Man is concerned, but fundamentally separate insofar as God is concerned.

To paraphrase Mulla Sadra's Logical Proof for God:

There is a being
This being is a perfection beyond all perfection
God is Perfect and Perfection in existence
Existence is a singular and simple reality
That singular reality is graded in intensity in a scale of perfection
That scale must have a limit point, a point of greatest intensity and of greatest existence
Therefore God exists

Maybe a simplier version of this...

The sum of the qualities that describe God in religion amount to absolute perfection

Not Existing is a flaw

Therefore God exists
 

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Maybe a simplier version of this...

The sum of the qualities that describe God in religion amount to absolute perfection

Not Existing is a flaw

Therefore God exists

That's a very, very hard argument to push. It relies on the qualities of God that derive from a book to be fact.
 

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never said it was a good argument. I was just trying to say what he said but simpler.

Also the theory was coined by Rene Descartes whom was a philosophical rationalist that said that the qualities associated with God were intuitive. (having nothing to do with the bible. it's instinct)

Basically, since i can fathom "perfection" it must exist in some form... There is no such thing as an idea without a root. The concept of God had to come from somewhere and Descartes believes it came from God himself. we are born with it.
 

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never said it was a good argument. I was just trying to say what he said but simpler.

Also the theory was coined by Rene Descartes whom was a philosophical rationalist that said that the qualities associated with God were intuitive. (having nothing to do with the bible. it's instinct)

Basically, since i can fathom "perfection" it must exist in some form... There is no such thing as an idea without a root. The concept of God had to come from somewhere and Descartes believes it came from God himself. we are born with it.

Perhaps the idea of perfection comes from us acknowledging that we are flawed. Humans are simple creatures and we like to see parallels wherever we can.

I will admit that this isn't really a good topic to argue as all it comes down to is philosophical views which can't be refuted.
 

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Perhaps the idea of perfection comes from us acknowledging that we are flawed. Humans are simple creatures and we like to see parallels wherever we can.

I will admit that this isn't really a good topic to argue as all it comes down to is philosophical views which can't be refuted.

but that's why philosophy is fun. There's much less argument and more bouncing around insane/brilliant concepts until there's a functional system of thoughts that can explain the foundations of reality. Pushing our minds outside the box. When it's done right, it usually has very little to do with mainstream religions. Only grasping at certain parts.

The fact that we can do this makes us far from "simple"
 

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but that's why philosophy is fun. There's much less argument and more bouncing around insane/brilliant concepts until there's a functional system of thoughts that can explain the foundations of reality. Pushing our minds outside the box. When it's done right, it usually has very little to do with mainstream religions. Only grasping at certain parts.

The fact that we can do this makes us far from "simple"

True, the ability to ponder makes us unique among animals(as far as we know)but for it to mean anything to me, it has to make some semblance of sense. If someone were to theorise that space power rangers created the universe by spinning a cosmic basketball around the rim of existence, i'd note their ability to ponder though it wouldn't mean much to me.
 
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