[Theory] Where did Fujitora/Greenbull come from?

[same name]

it doesnt look like fujitora or green bull were in marines pre time skip so doesn't that make you wonder where they came from? and how can akainu and other higher ups trust them enough in just 2 years to give them the status of ADMIRALS.
so i thought of something and just wondering if you guys agree . here's what i am basing my theory on-
-bonney has powers to manipulate ages of other people
-preTS akainu caught bonney but recently we see that she is alive and free

theory-
after the war garp, sengoku and aokiji leave the marines so that means a big hole is created there and from one of the recent chapter we learn that fujitora is a determined man and wants to destroy the shichibukai system and i dont think its because he just had a dream one day and applied for marines but it might be because he always wanted to do that but was too old for it .
but then how come he is so strong?
he is actually a retired admiral maybe from sengoku's or z's time as an admiral or even before that and was made younger using bonney's ability and so WG and gorosei already trust him and are aware of his powers but the new generation is not aware of someone from that long ago

side theory-
well this is something even i think has very less chance of being true but it's well known now that zoro will definatly have a fight with fujitora in future and also beating mihawk to become the best swordsman in the world is just too cliche i dont buy that oda will do it so what if fujitora was actually 'the strongest swordsman' before mihawk but then he got too old and passed on the title to mihawk and now that he is back in his prime he might actually be more powerful than mihawk and become the last goal of zoro

 

[xXMadaraUchiaXx]

would be cool

 

[MugiwaraBoy]

I think Rayleigh was the strongest Swordsman to be honest, somebody posted something about it before and it seemed legit.

 

[akimofnevis]

Mihawk , zoro and everyone at marineford said that mihawk is the strongest swordsman with the strongest slash

 

[Mephew D Kensei]

I dont see Fuji as someone who wld hold the Title of World's strongest Swordsman not that i doubt he cld b that powerful just that to me becoz he is df amped then he isnt a pure swordsman and his power is attributed mostly to his skill with his df so the sword for me to him is a complimentary weopon rather that he basis of his might as with Zoro and Mihawk.

As for origin, i do see indeed how the Bonney therory cld b ehat happened and i can support it but im sure pple or at least the Admirals wld know coz the Navy obviosly has records and seeing how they regard Admirals there ought to b an entire library worth of written stuff abt them. Unless they were admirals from a couple or plus centuries ago then Yah maybe and i guess if Bonney does turn out to b as the theories suspect then i guess its all possible. I ryt now an just going with they were probably like Soldiers of some countries or maybe even high lvl bounty hunters so the hve history with the WG and the world consciption targeted pple like so if it were to take in the already strong guyz.

 

[Peace Maker]

If you remember phoenix, the one that Luffy's befriended on that icy stone walls or somesh*t the one that stole pirate flags... well Fujitora was the one that b*tch out phoenix, since i saw a lot of meteors than time and the sounds was the same as fujitora's meteors..

 

[sravan]

maybe or just he was ranked admiral just because he is powerful from military because akainu prefers strong & dedicated subordinates than stronger/lazy one's

 

[same name]

I think Rayleigh was the strongest Swordsman to be honest, somebody posted something about it before and it seemed legit.

Doubt it.

Mihawk , zoro and everyone at marineford said that mihawk is the strongest swordsman with the strongest slash

Yeah mihawk was the WSS at MF war time but what i am saying is , maybe fuji was that before him but then he got too old and passed on the title to mihawk. It's not like mihawk was born as WSS. He must have earned it. And now with fujitora back in the game he could have claimed the title back.

 

[Caliburn]

It was already said in the manga that Fujitora and Green bull were recruited during some kind of national assembly two years ago with the specific purpose of recruiting people. This was the start of a new era, so they needed now strong people and when they recruited both of them, it would be very illogical if they didn't do a thorough background search on them.

You can pretty much scratch any involvement of Bonney. For starters it's very questionable if her powers are permanent, the chance is very high it's similar to how Sugar's powers work and Bonney is currently not anymore in the hands of the Marines. So why would she keep him younger? Not to mention Fujitora isn't really young, if she was responsible, why didn't she make him a bit younger? I also don't find it logical to see Akainu turn to a pirate for help.

Also the title of Strongest Swordsman is not something that is given to you with the marines giving you a certificate saying you are the strongest swordsman or something like that. It doesn't work that way, you can't give such a title to someone. You become the strongest swordsman if people see you that way. It's not because someone gives you that title, that people will consider you the strongest, it's not an official title. There is a reason as why Zoro absolutely wants to beat Mihawk as the only way to prove you are the strongest is to beat the one that is considered the strongest, which is Mihawk. If Zoro beats Mihawk, it means he is now the strongest and people will see him that way. That title isn't some kind of object you can give away as you please.

People like Roger, Shanks and Rayleigh by default fall out of the boat as these are not real swordsmen. Oda makes a clear distinction between people who just use a sword as a means to fight and real swordsmen. Rayleigh and Shanks just have regular cutlasses. They are no doubt very proficient with it, however Zoro, Mihawk, Vista, Tashigi...they are real swordsmen who are known for their skills with the sword and using named swords. If Fujitora really ever was the strongest, he isn't it anymore because he lost to Mihawk then. Maybe Mihawk was even the guy who took his eyesight away.

 

[Kiiszame]

It was already said in the manga that Fujitora and Green bull were recruited during some kind of national assembly two years ago with the specific purpose of recruiting people. This was the start of a new era, so they needed now strong people and when they recruited both of them, it would be very illogical if they didn't do a thorough background search on them.

You can pretty much scratch any involvement of Bonney. For starters it's very questionable if her powers are permanent, the chance is very high it's similar to how Sugar's powers work and Bonney is currently not anymore in the hands of the Marines. So why would she keep him younger? Not to mention Fujitora isn't really young, if she was responsible, why didn't she make him a bit younger? I also don't find it logical to see Akainu turn to a pirate for help.

Also the title of Strongest Swordsman is not something that is given to you with the marines giving you a certificate saying you are the strongest swordsman or something like that. It doesn't work that way, you can't give such a title to someone. You become the strongest swordsman if people see you that way. It's not because someone gives you that title, that people will consider you the strongest, it's not an official title. There is a reason as why Zoro absolutely wants to beat Mihawk as the only way to prove you are the strongest is to beat the one that is considered the strongest, which is Mihawk. If Zoro beats Mihawk, it means he is now the strongest and people will see him that way. That title isn't some kind of object you can give away as you please.

People like Roger, Shanks and Rayleigh by default fall out of the boat as these are not real swordsmen. Oda makes a clear distinction between people who just use a sword as a means to fight and real swordsmen. Rayleigh and Shanks just have regular cutlasses. They are no doubt very proficient with it, however Zoro, Mihawk, Vista, Tashigi...they are real swordsmen who are known for their skills with the sword and using named swords. If Fujitora really ever was the strongest, he isn't it anymore because he lost to Mihawk then. Maybe Mihawk was even the guy who took his eyesight away.

I agree on every except where you say that Akauni wouldnt want her power. Maybe not for Fuji but for something else. Otherwise why would he go through the trouble of personally retrieving her from BB. She must hold some value.

 

[Love Cook]

I agree on every except where you say that Akauni wouldnt want her power. Maybe not for Fuji but for something else. Otherwise why would he go through the trouble of personally retrieving her from BB. She must hold some value.

There is a theory going around that she is his daughter, which would be pretty ironic and funny

 

[BanGinji]

I'm sure they're dying to tell us. You'll get your filler backstory in due time my friend.

as a side note; is it me or do all the admiral look like they could be related? Some sort of mix hawaiin/black

 

[Love Cook]

I'm sure they're dying to tell us. You'll get your filler backstory in due time my friend.

as a side note; is it me or do all the admiral look like they could be related? Some sort of mix hawaiin/black

Let's just stick with Japanese, because they're all inspired on famous Japanese actors:

Kunie Tanaka

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Bunta Saguwara (Also has the same tattoo pattern as Akainu)

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yusaku matsuda

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And the newest one:

[video=youtube;xcD4evqh4TI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcD4evqh4TI[/video]

 

[Dr Strangelove]

Nope to both theories.
Already stated in the mange that Issho and Ryokugyu were accepted into the Marines through the Military Draft thingy, i'm guessing it happened during the timeskip.

And imo the strongest swordsman before Mihawk was Rayleigh U_U

 

[same name]

It was already said in the manga that Fujitora and Green bull were recruited during some kind of national assembly two years ago with the specific purpose of recruiting people. This was the start of a new era, so they needed now strong people and when they recruited both of them, it would be very illogical if they didn't do a thorough background search on them.

You can pretty much scratch any involvement of Bonney. For starters it's very questionable if her powers are permanent, the chance is very high it's similar to how Sugar's powers work and Bonney is currently not anymore in the hands of the Marines. So why would she keep him younger? Not to mention Fujitora isn't really young, if she was responsible, why didn't she make him a bit younger? I also don't find it logical to see Akainu turn to a pirate for help.

Also the title of Strongest Swordsman is not something that is given to you with the marines giving you a certificate saying you are the strongest swordsman or something like that. It doesn't work that way, you can't give such a title to someone. You become the strongest swordsman if people see you that way. It's not because someone gives you that title, that people will consider you the strongest, it's not an official title. There is a reason as why Zoro absolutely wants to beat Mihawk as the only way to prove you are the strongest is to beat the one that is considered the strongest, which is Mihawk. If Zoro beats Mihawk, it means he is now the strongest and people will see him that way. That title isn't some kind of object you can give away as you please.

People like Roger, Shanks and Rayleigh by default fall out of the boat as these are not real swordsmen. Oda makes a clear distinction between people who just use a sword as a means to fight and real swordsmen. Rayleigh and Shanks just have regular cutlasses. They are no doubt very proficient with it, however Zoro, Mihawk, Vista, Tashigi...they are real swordsmen who are known for their skills with the sword and using named swords. If Fujitora really ever was the strongest, he isn't it anymore because he lost to Mihawk then. Maybe Mihawk was even the guy who took his eyesight away.

I know all that. It was said they were recruited with many others but then why are they so above every1 else who was recruited? I am just stating a possibility that they could be former admirals and since the WG didn't want to reveal what they were doing/planning , they told the world that they (fuji/bull) were recruited with every1 else. We haven't heard this from a top ranking marine official , it could be that they are hiding this or more.


As for the swordsman point, i know that WSS title is not an object. What i meant was that mihawk could have managed to defeat fuji because he got old but now that he is back , he could reclaim that title by defeating mihawk which he is not allowed to do in current condition but that doesn't mean he couldn't be stronger than him.

Also since Mihawk has never fought with vista who is most definately one of the strongest swordsman means he hasn't fought all the candidates for the top spot. So how else would have every1 else acknowledged him as the best? It is obviously if he had beaten the former WSS.

 

[same name]

Nope to both theories.
Already stated in the mange that Issho and Ryokugyu were accepted into the Marines through the Military Draft thingy, i'm guessing it happened during the timeskip.

And imo the strongest swordsman before Mihawk was Rayleigh U_U

read the above post , rayleigh might not even be a pure swordsman for all we know.

 

[Dr Strangelove]

read the above post , rayleigh might not even be a pure swordsman for all we know.

Yes, but he also might be.
Nobody knows as of yet.

 

[same name]

Yes, but he also might be.
Nobody knows as of yet.

Thats why there is a theory tag......