Shadow Phantasm
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So after reading a well thought out thread about how TNJ has a point in the story because Naruto can connect with other people,I decided to make a thread that serves as a counter to that.It'll be somewhat lengthy so bear with me.
The first thing I want to talk about is the argument that TNJ makes sense because Naruto connect to other people by using his own life experience to influence their views.That would hardly matter to anyone who did'nt grow up hated and alone,so how Naruto be able to connect to people who don't share his lonely background?
This is one of the many reasons TNJ is illogical because you have people who are less likely to change their views because of what Naruto had been through,since they themselves did'nt have a tragic life.
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eople never ever change their opinions or world view based on a five to ten minute speech.Whether they were raised in a certain enviroment or had years of life experience people are hardly swayed as easily as some who were TNJ'ed.
Once we have developed the experiences from our surroundings then it's pretty much ingrained in us,for example why would people like Obito and Nagato who had decades to solidify their beliefs and views be so easily influenced by a 16 year old who made a feel good speech?
If anybody tried to do that in real life they would discover it takes a real effort to change someone's views on something.I've seen people bring up Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr in order to suggest that TNJ exists in real life as well,the main difference is unlike Naruto both of them had to spend years speaking out to others while facing intense opposition.They did'nt just make a 5 - 10 speech and suddenly everyone who listened changed their ways,it took years of effort and sadly both of these men never lived long enough to see their message make a difference.
Third:The change of heart is way too sudden to be believable.Both Obito and Nagato are a perfect example of this since like I said before they had decades to become entrenched in their beliefs.So when they suddenly have a change of heart based on what a teenager said then it comes across as subtle brainwashing for them to throw all of their beliefs away and abandon their goals.
Normal people won't suddenly change their beliefs unless they join some sort of cult,and given the fact TNJ can be interpreted as brainwashing that certainly is something to consider.
Fourth:TNJ endorses the exclusion of differing beliefs and views.What did Nagato,Naruto,and Obito have in common?They both believe in world peace.
However they all have different ways of achieving peace,Nagata wanted to join the world together through pain,Obito wanted to create a world where everyone is happy,and Naruto wants to bring the world together by ending the cycle of hatred.Yet why does TNJ seem to suggest only Naruto's way of doing things is correct?It sends a message that anyone who thinks differently to Naruto needs to be 'talked' into seeing his way is the right one.That's probaly the main problem I have with TNJ,it gives off this creepy vibe that only one set of beliefs,opinion,and viewpoint is the 'correct' one.
That's about it,I look forward to having a interesting discussion about this.Thanks for reading.
The first thing I want to talk about is the argument that TNJ makes sense because Naruto connect to other people by using his own life experience to influence their views.That would hardly matter to anyone who did'nt grow up hated and alone,so how Naruto be able to connect to people who don't share his lonely background?
This is one of the many reasons TNJ is illogical because you have people who are less likely to change their views because of what Naruto had been through,since they themselves did'nt have a tragic life.
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eople never ever change their opinions or world view based on a five to ten minute speech.Whether they were raised in a certain enviroment or had years of life experience people are hardly swayed as easily as some who were TNJ'ed.Once we have developed the experiences from our surroundings then it's pretty much ingrained in us,for example why would people like Obito and Nagato who had decades to solidify their beliefs and views be so easily influenced by a 16 year old who made a feel good speech?
If anybody tried to do that in real life they would discover it takes a real effort to change someone's views on something.I've seen people bring up Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr in order to suggest that TNJ exists in real life as well,the main difference is unlike Naruto both of them had to spend years speaking out to others while facing intense opposition.They did'nt just make a 5 - 10 speech and suddenly everyone who listened changed their ways,it took years of effort and sadly both of these men never lived long enough to see their message make a difference.
Third:The change of heart is way too sudden to be believable.Both Obito and Nagato are a perfect example of this since like I said before they had decades to become entrenched in their beliefs.So when they suddenly have a change of heart based on what a teenager said then it comes across as subtle brainwashing for them to throw all of their beliefs away and abandon their goals.
Normal people won't suddenly change their beliefs unless they join some sort of cult,and given the fact TNJ can be interpreted as brainwashing that certainly is something to consider.
Fourth:TNJ endorses the exclusion of differing beliefs and views.What did Nagato,Naruto,and Obito have in common?They both believe in world peace.
However they all have different ways of achieving peace,Nagata wanted to join the world together through pain,Obito wanted to create a world where everyone is happy,and Naruto wants to bring the world together by ending the cycle of hatred.Yet why does TNJ seem to suggest only Naruto's way of doing things is correct?It sends a message that anyone who thinks differently to Naruto needs to be 'talked' into seeing his way is the right one.That's probaly the main problem I have with TNJ,it gives off this creepy vibe that only one set of beliefs,opinion,and viewpoint is the 'correct' one.
That's about it,I look forward to having a interesting discussion about this.Thanks for reading.
