LustyLover
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"I haven't been this excited since Hashirama." Do you remember that sentence? If not, and you seriously think Madara was beating 8th gated Gai, reread the chapters.
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"I haven't been this excited since Hashirama." Do you remember that sentence? If not, and you seriously think Madara was beating 8th gated Gai, reread the chapters.
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Gai did not shit on Madara, If Gai really shitted on Madara than why is Gai laying on the ground dying? Madara was still able to fight just fine, Besides Madara was just playing around and wanted to see the extent of Gai's power.
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Then why would he compare his EMS self to Hashirama, a person whom he never managed to beat even once pre-Edo?
He stated multiple times that he couldn't even react fast enough to propose a counter-attack, which he didn't. My point is that speed alone has won many battles. If Gai could of maintained that speed for a longer while, he would of potentially defeated him.
He said that after a combination of Gai, Minato, Lee, Kakashi and Gaara protected him (
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I dunno where you got the idea that Gai shitted on Madara ._.
This is off topic so i suggest we don't discuss this much further.
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Because if he doesn't hide Lee is going to know they are clones and will most likely bypass them altogether to blitz Jiraiya.
And that's the problem. They are too slow.
The Raikages say hi. So does KCM Naruto. And Guy.
I don't care how much "skill" Jiraiya has. Half of that "skill" disappeared the moment summons were restricted, and his remaining skillset does not account for Lee's speed. Everything he has can be dodged, and he himself can be intercepted before finishing the handseals for his jutsus.
The only time Kisame "kept up" with Guy was when Guy wasn't using Gates. When Guy does decide to use Gates, however...
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Lee knows he is fighting a Sannin. That is reason enough to end the match quickly.
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I know about that, But Gai did not shit on him. btw @bold that is just an assumption. And yes, Speed alone has won many battles. But it can't be said about every situation like in this match up.
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You're right. It is off topic, because it doesn't change the fact that Lee would beat Jiraiya.
- In the strategy i suggested the clones aren't there to fool Lee or Neji about Jiraiya's true location. That would be useless considering Neji's byakugan. Creating them before his opponents eyes makes no difference whatsoever.
- How are they too slow? ._. The objective is to make Lee avoid their attacks in order to lead him into Jiraiya's trap, not to actually hit him.
- Yet, Lee isn't on pair with none of those characters. So far everyone has kept up with him since the CE.
Its not impossible to defend against those characters either:
Where was Ay's speed that not even the sharingan can follow during the Gokage vs Madara fight? Tsunade herself(who's considered to have academy level speed around here) was willing to fight Ay 1v1 despite knowing about his speed (implying she has a way to deal with it).
Where was Naruto's speed vs the other Jinchuuriki, the 3rd Raikage or Madara?
Where was Gai's speed vs Kisame?
- Kisame was perfectly able to use his GSB against Hirudora... And that takes hand seals as well.
- W/o first seeing what Jiraiya can do in order to counter him or avoid getting countered assuming his attack wouldn't work? I don't think so.
That's Kiba level of impulsivity and not a wise thing to do. Lee is smarter than that.
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Who has kept up with Gated Lee in Part 2? And what proof do you have that Jiraiya is around this person(s) level of speed?
Naruto and Bee were there. There's nothing implying she would have had to take on A by herself. Or that she would have used speed to take him on when she can regenerate. Or that she would have won.
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The images in my last post are there for a reason.
And?
Guy wasn't trying to blitz Kisame in that instance in the first place. He was looking for the scroll, and decided that destroying the sharks would be his best bet. Even then, he still overwhelmed a giant water shark construct whilst underwater by punching really fast.
Even if Lee waits around for some reason to see what Jiraiya does, he's still way too fast to be caught by any of Jiraiya's jutsus. Again, none of Base Jiraiya's attacks are as fast as Kamui. Lee is faster than that even without the 6th Gate.
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Brilliant counter. I'm totally sold
Counter this: if Gaara's nearly instantaneous sand reaction speed couldn't keep up with a non-gated Lee with his weights off, how is Jiraiya, who has a much slower reaction time than Gaara without SM, keeping up with a weightless, 6th gate-activated Lee?
P.S: he can't.
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Perhaps it was an exaggeration
. However, the bold isn't an assumption, seeing as I said potentially, as in he stood a fair chance. You're quite right for the rest, though.Logging for a bit.
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Jiaraya wins, high diff.
- Did he even used the gates during part 2? ._. That's a hint that maybe he's not that uncounterable while using them.
He doesn't need to possess similar speed, speed determines who wins a race, not a battle. Lee is faster than Gaara, but still lost. Orochimaru is faster than Tsunade, still got pawned...
There's a reason why Jiraiya was considered for Hokage and Lee is still a Chunin. They're simply not on the same level. Realistically, could you imagine Lee taking out an S-level opponent, say, Onoki, simply because he's faster?
- The whole point of her fighting the Raikage was to let Naruto go to war (
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- You proved the attack hit, not that Kisame couldn't react. If you're talking about 6th gate Gai blitzing Kisame's clone, that hold's no weight because the real Kisame was keeping up with 7th gate Gai the whole time.
- Goes to show that just because character A is faster on foot it doesn't mean character B can't react, put up a defence or counter attack.
He wanted to incapacitate Kisame, a blitz would've been great for that effect, he just couldn't pull it off w/o Kisame counter attacking first.
- He can be outsmarted into falling onto Jiraiya's pool of mud if he's too focused on avoiding a Katon and doesn't pay enough attention to his surroundings.
I feel like i'm standing for Jiraiya's certain victory here when that's not the case at all.
I came up with a strategy that might or might not work, but saying an Hokage level shinobi gets insta blitzed by a character with such low relevance makes no sense to me. That's what i'm debating for.
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Because Lee will go 6th gate mode the second this match starts...
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You only further helped facilitate my argument... tyvm ttyl.
How?
Kisame was keeping up with a 7th gate Gai.
Jiraiya has an higher score for speed in the databooks, why can't he keep up as well with a slower version?