Obito vs. Hashirama

[Draphsin]

No it's actually a fact...before Obito became a Juubi Jin, Manga already made it clear that only Madara was able to compete with Hashi and he was still inferior

All you're doing is stating hype, I guess prime hiruzen sh*ts according to your logic as well?

I still see no counter for kamui, kabuto was speaking nonsense & edo madara has never seen obito go all out with kamui + rinnegan.

Nothing puts hashirama above obito except for empty hype that can't be backed up with feats despite seeing them both going all out.

Lool it's Kishi's way of making things clear.....Tsunade's lover even said only Hashi could defeat Maddy..so the part about Kabuto knowing Hashi's friends doesn't matter..surely Kabuto can't be making that up about Hashi

& How much weight do dan's words hold? Does he somehow know hashirama & madara's power? Does he know obito's power? Again it's all hype that can't be supported.

& Please tell me more about how you know what kishi is thinking.

It's pretty obvious MS Obito is not winning against Hashirama..and also Rennigan Obito

It's pretty obvious base hashi isn't winning against obito...and also SM hashi.

See? I can just say things too, without the proper info on kamui hashi always loses, there is no debate.

 

[Haizaki]

How does Obito counter Kokuangyo no Jutsu and flower tree world

 

[LustyLover]

Hashirama > Obito


I thought this was basic fact

 

[Draphsin]

How does Obito counter Kokuangyo no Jutsu and flower tree world

Sharingan can see chakra, obito can still track hashi but sharingan genjutsu is useless.

Obito can warp to his dimension & then the genjutsu will be broken as the chakra connection will be cut.

Or he can avoid it altogether by staying atop kurama's head [in MS] or the gedo's head [with rinnegan] which forces hashi to use his powerful mokuton jutsus.

Flower tree world is countered by juubi sized katon/bijuudamas/gedo shockwaves. & Ftw is a double edged sword because if hashi is immune then why isn't someone with his dna/power immune? If hashi doesn't have to leave the pollen's radius then why does obito have to? But regardless ftw is taken care of.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

How does Obito counter Kokuangyo no Jutsu and flower tree world

Sharingan see's through Bringer of Darkness, Juubi sized Katons burn Flowers before they bloom, And Obito can just teleport behind Hashirama and absorb him.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Hashirama > Obito


I thought this was basic fact

Obito > Hashirama

I though this was a basic fact

See? I can spew out bullshit with no evidence too.

 

[LustyLover]

Obito > Hashirama

I though this was a basic fact

See? I can spew out bullshit with no evidence too.

Hashirama beat Madara, multiple times.

By your logic, Obito > Hashirama, and therefore Obito > Madara?

Definitely.


The manga supplies all the evidence I need. Go read.

 

[Haizaki]

Sharingan can see chakra, obito can still track hashi but sharingan genjutsu is useless.

Obito can warp to his dimension & then the genjutsu will be broken as the chakra connection will be cut.

Or he can avoid it altogether by staying atop kurama's head [in MS] or the gedo's head [with rinnegan] which forces hashi to use his powerful mokuton jutsus.

Flower tree world is countered by juubi sized katon/bijuudamas/gedo shockwaves. & Ftw is a double edged sword because if hashi is immune then why isn't someone with his dna/power immune? If hashi doesn't have to leave the pollen's radius then why does obito have to? But regardless ftw is taken care of.

I don't think Kurama was unrestricted...also won't kurama be put to sleep?
And Hashi isn't stupid..he won't cast a justu that would affect him...Obito would defintely be immune to it...the fact that he has "part" of Hashirama's living clone doesn't mean he won't be affected by it

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Hashirama beat Madara, multiple times.

By your logic, Obito > Hashirama, and therefore Obito > Madara?

Definitely.


The manga supplies all the evidence I need. Go read.

And with that bullshitty evidence, you have lost the argument. Not only are you relying on ABC Logic, but you aren't explaining how hashirama beats Kamui.

Anyway, the Obito vs Madara thread isn't this one.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Prime obito could beat him

 

[LustyLover]

And with that bullshitty evidence, you have lost the argument. Not only are you relying on ABC Logic, but you aren't explaining how hashirama beats Kamui.

Anyway, the Obito vs Madara thread isn't this one.

I'm not arguing lulz, Hashirama beats Obito. Denial is fun to watch ;3

How's Obito battling 5 wood clones and Hashirama himself? They won't allow him to phase in and out when they're combining their Juubi-sized attacks. It's not possible. Hashirama was never beat for a reason.

 

[LustyLover]

Sorry, if this is Juubito though, he wrecks. Not sure if that's the case tho.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

I'm not arguing lulz, Hashirama beats Obito. Denial is fun to watch ;3

How's Obito battling 5 wood clones and Hashirama himself? They won't allow him to phase in and out when they're combining their Juubi-sized attacks. It's not possible. Hashirama was never beat for a reason.

Oh it's simple how he beats them.

First, he does

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to Hashirama.

Then he wins

 

[Draphsin]

I don't think Kurama was unrestricted...also won't kurama be put to sleep?

Kurama is obito's summon, it would need to be restricted, not unrestricted. Why are we gimping obito anyways if you believe hashi can take down any version of him? Well this is an unrestricted obito.

By the time hashi grabs kurama to put it to sleep obito will be teleporting behind hashirama. Once kurama gets put to sleep it means nothing as hashi will already be in the kamui dimension.

He has no info on kamui, so he has no idea that a kamui warp from behind is imminent, just like minato who could only escape by the skin of his teeth thanks to FTG.

And Hashi isn't stupid..he won't cast a justu that would affect him...Obito would defintely be immune to it...the fact that he has "part" of Hashirama's living clone doesn't mean he won't be affected by it

And do you have any evidence that suggests that hashi's jutsu is special to him & not obito? It doesn't matter if he has part of it he possesses hashirama's dna & is able to use mokuton like he is, he can even heal & absorb chakra. [

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] He has all of hashi's abilities, why is immunity to ftw not an option?

& Besides I already covered ftw with multiple large scale jutsus.

 

[LustyLover]

Oh it's simple how he beats them.

First, he does

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to Hashirama.

Then he wins

He would engage him first with a wood clone and Obito would end up warping that instead, since he wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Hashirama is smarter than people give him credit for.

 

[Haizaki]

Kurama is obito's summon, it would need to be restricted, not unrestricted. Why are we gimping obito anyways if you believe hashi can take down any version of him? Well this is an unrestricted obito.

By the time hashi grabs kurama to put it to sleep obito will be teleporting behind hashirama. Once kurama gets put to sleep it means nothing as hashi will already be in the kamui dimension.

He has no info on kamui, so he has no idea that a kamui warp from behind is imminent, just like minato who could only escape by the skin of his teeth thanks to FTG.



And do you have any evidence that suggests that hashi's jutsu is special to him & not obito? It doesn't matter if he has part of it he possesses hashirama's dna & is able to use mokuton like he is, he can even heal & absorb chakra. [

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] He has all of hashi's abilities, why is immunity to ftw not an option?

& Besides I already covered ftw with multiple large scale jutsus.

I don't get..if this cell thing was really necessary, why can't Obito use FTW?...after all he had Hashi's cell and Hashi was dead...you're kind of assuming he can do everything Hashi can do...how does having his cells mean he isn't immune to FTW

You don't have proof that Obito isn't immune to that jutsu...we are going by Manga facts...so having "part" of his cells doesn't mean he'll not be affected by it unless stated in the Manga

Lool ok Kurama isn't restricted...Buddha destroys then...those amount of hands smacking Obito would be like konan's paper bombs

Well I'm agreeing that Obito would win "just" cuz of no info...with info, Hashi takes this with probably no diff or at least low

 

[Icelerate]

Adult MS Obito doesn't have the Kyuubi so I'm leaving the Kyuubi out of the equation. Hashirama takes this mid difficulty without knowledge and low difficulty with knowledge.

The only method of Obito attacking Hashirama is by warping him away but it takes some time to warp him considering Konan was fast enough to attack Obito before Obito managed to warp her away (

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). This can be exploited by Hashirama, who has top tier reaction time and speed considering his speed is comparable to Madara whose speed caught a speedster like SM Naruto off guard. Not to mention Hashirama's reaction feats include reacting to tailed beast bombs from the Kyuubi and perfect susanoo sword slashes which can travel massive landscape distances within a short time interval. In CQC, Hashirama is far superior considering his CQC skills were on par with Madara's while Obito was bested by Kakashi. Hashirama can grow

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which was fast enough to restrain Juubito so that mokuton can be used to strike Obito before he can warp Hashirama away.

As for Obito's katon, it is useless in terms of offence for obvious reasons and it isn't a valid counter for Flower Tree World considering he has to

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before exhaling fire from his mouth so he'll be put to sleep like Mei was when she attempted to execute a water dragon from her mouth (

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). In the end, Obito can keep his lungs in the kamui dimension for 5 minutes but after that, he is put to sleep unless he uses Izanagi.

Speaking of Izanagi, it will stall Hashirama and extend the duration of the battle but Obito randomly spawning behind Hashirama won't work because

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and can counter him with ease much like Madara did to Tobirama (

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I haven't even touched upon Mokuton bunshin which Obito can't see through and will allow Hashirama to trick Obito into warping those clones to the Kamui dimension which means Obito will no longer be safe in either dimension thus he is screwed. Mokuton bunshin can be used to test Obito and gain intel on his abilities.

I initially said Hashirama wins mid difficulty without knowledge but now I think he wins low difficulty even without knowledge for the reasons stated above.

 

[ARGUS]

Hashirama wins this

-Once he goes SM,, he would have the reflexes and reaction feats to evade the kamui warp,,, as shown how Madara was able to gain reflexes that helped him evade FTG,, which is faster than Kamui,,,, Madara was able to do that after gaining hashirammas SM,,so Hashirama would obviously have the same abilities,,,

-Through the aid of Mokuton KB,, Hashirama would have the adequate diversions,, to disrupt Obitos kamui based moveset,,, annd would allow one of the diversions to attack Obito, once he solidifies to warp one of the KB (which he wont be able to decipher from the real)

-Hashiramas Flower Tree World can bypass the 5 minute limit of Obitos Kamui,, as he has no real counters to it,, since he lacks the firepower in his MS form to destroy the pollen,,, His Katons would simply enhance the affects of the pollen as Madara did so as well against the 5 kage,,,,,

-With Kamui being countered and reflexes in SM that can even aid him in dodging something as fast as FTG,, Obitos lol kamui warp is not happening,,,,

-Outside of Kamui,, Obito is not standing a chance against hashiramas firepower such as wood dragons and SS,,Obitos mokuton is infferior to Hashiramas,, and his katons are not doing anything to hashirama at all,,,

 

[Haizaki]

How exactly did Hashi deal with Amaterasu..a jutsu with such speed?..considering he probably had no intel on it most likely

 

[VongolaX]

It's funny how people in this base think Obito only has Katon and kamui :|

No, it's sad that people think that Obito is so limited in power.

You guys know nothing :|