Theory: Why Sasuke got the 9 tomoe rinnegan

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Here is my theory: Sasuke awakened the rinnegan on his own in the same way that Madara did, but the tomoes came from the yin juubi chakara that Hagoromo gave him.

Logic: Sasuke is an Uchiha with eternal mangekyou sharingan that had a near death situation and got Senju DNA (just like Madara). Therefore it would make sense for him to awaken the rinnegan (the normal version) just as Madara did. So where did the tomoes come from and why didn't Madara get them?

Well consider this: What eye is often associated with tomoes? The sharingan of course! Now what type of chakara awakens and develops the sharingan? The answer is yin chakara. Therefore, tomoes are the product of yin chakara.

I am sure that we can all see that Naruto's sun mark represents Yang while Sasuke's moon is yin. This means that Hagoromo clearly gave Sasuke yin chakara, but we all knew this. The question is: How much yin chakara did he give Sasuke and was it exactly his own yin chakara?

This is where my theory comes in: Hagoromo gave Sasuke the shinju's reservoir of yin chakara. This amount of chakara equates to 9 tomoes. You may be wondering, "How did Hagoromo give Sasuke something that he did not have?".

Answer: He did have it. It just wasn't inherent to his own body. Remember this: When Hagoromo appeared, he still had truth seeking balls, the staff, the cloak, flight abilities and more despite being long dead. It was as if he were still the juubi's jinchuuriki. I theorize that he was in fact at least partially still the jinchuuriki or at least a pseudo jinchuuriki. When he did whatever he did in order to allow his chakara to persist through time, he must have left a large portion of juubi chakara inside of his own chakara incarnation. Thus the chakara incarnation that we saw was still essentially a juubi jinchuuriki.

All juubi jinchuurikis (not including Naruto's form) have access to the 9 tomoe eye despite the fact that they don't have it on their actual heads. Think about it: Obito was able to unleash and control the shinju. The tree was even stated by Hiruzen to be like an extension of Obito. The shinju has the 9 tomoe eye. Since, the shinju has the 9 tomoe eye and since Obtio had the shinju, by transitive property, Obito had the 9 tomoe eye. The 9 tomoe eye is 9 tomoes of yin chakara.

Additionally, jinchuurikis are able to give their bijuu's chakara to other people as evidenced by Naruto giving everybody Kurama's chakara.
It therefore makes sense that Hagoromo as a juubi jinchuuriki would have been able to give the shinju's chakara to Naruto and Sasuke. This is further evidenced by the fact that Naruto got truth seeking balls which is known to be a trait of juubi jinchuurikis. This further serves to prove my point that Hagoromo gave Naruto and Sasuke the juubi's chakara (not just his own). Therefore it is feasible that he gave Sasuke the juubi's yin chakara which was responsible for the 9 tomoes.

Summary:
1. Sasuke legitimately awakened the normal rinnegan on his own.
2. The 9 tomoes were a product of the shinju's yin chakara that Hagoromo gave to Sasuke.

Madara was presumably never given power by the sage. Therefore, he did not get the shinju's yin chakara (until now of course). That is why Madara only got the normal rinnegan.

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I highly doubt hagoromo had the sharinnegan. but i guess sasuke acquiring that yin chakra makes sense. I think naruto just got yang style from the sage and he got those orbs from having all the pieces of the bijuu chakras...
 

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Here is my theory: Sasuke awakened the rinnegan on his own in the same way that Madara did, but the tomoes came from the yin juubi chakara that Hagoromo gave him.

Logic: Sasuke is an Uchiha with eternal mangekyou sharingan that had a near death situation and got Senju DNA (just like Madara). Therefore it would make sense for him to awaken the rinnegan (the normal version) just as Madara did. So where did the tomoes come from and why didn't Madara get them?

Well consider this: What eye is often associated with tomoes? The sharingan of course! Now what type of chakara awakens and develops the sharingan? The answer is yin chakara. Therefore, tomoes are the product of yin chakara.

I am sure that we can all see that Naruto's sun mark represents Yang while Sasuke's moon is yin. This means that Hagoromo clearly gave Sasuke yin chakara, but we all knew this. The question is: How much yin chakara did he give Sasuke and was it exactly his own yin chakara?

This is where my theory comes in: Hagoromo gave Sasuke the shinju's reservoir of yin chakara. This amount of chakara equates to 9 tomoes. You may be wondering, "How did Hagoromo give Sasuke something that he did not have?".

Answer: He did have it. It just wasn't inherent to his own body. Remember this: When Hagoromo appeared, he still had truth seeking balls, the staff, the cloak, flight abilities and more despite being long dead. It was as if he were still the juubi's jinchuuriki. I theorize that he was in fact at least partially still the jinchuuriki or at least a pseudo jinchuuriki. When he did whatever he did in order to allow his chakara to persist through time, he must have left a large portion of juubi chakara inside of his own chakara incarnation. Thus the chakara incarnation that we saw was still essentially a juubi jinchuuriki.

All juubi jinchuurikis (not including Naruto's form) have access to the 9 tomoe eye despite the fact that they don't have it on their actual heads. Think about it: Obito was able to unleash and control the shinju. The tree was even stated by Hiruzen to be like an extension of Obito. The shinju has the 9 tomoe eye. Since, the shinju has the 9 tomoe eye and since Obtio had the shinju, by transitive property, Obito had the 9 tomoe eye. The 9 tomoe eye is 9 tomoes of yin chakara.

Additionally, jinchuurikis are able to give their bijuu's chakara to other people as evidenced by Naruto giving everybody Kurama's chakara.
It therefore makes sense that Hagoromo as a juubi jinchuuriki would have been able to give the shinju's chakara to Naruto and Sasuke. This is further evidenced by the fact that Naruto got truth seeking balls which is known to be a trait of juubi jinchuurikis. This further serves to prove my point that Hagoromo gave Naruto and Sasuke the juubi's chakara (not just his own). Therefore it is feasible that he gave Sasuke the juubi's yin chakara which was responsible for the 9 tomoes.

Summary:
1. Sasuke legitimately awakened the normal rinnegan on his own.
2. The 9 tomoes were a product of the shinju's yin chakara that Hagoromo gave to Sasuke.

Madara was presumably never given power by the sage. Therefore, he did not get the shinju's yin chakara (until now of course). That is why Madara only got the normal rinnegan.

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ok first senju dna does not matter as stated the sage said you need both asuras chakra and induras chakra to awaken the rinnegan or the sages chakra. Second madara said he awakend the same straight tome Rinnegan as me. He then said we must have somthing similar and madaras not sure what that similariety is. the fact is madara awakend the rinnegan because he was the reincarnation of one brother and hash was the other reincarnation so when he stole hash's dna and added to his he obtained both of there chakra and then latter awakend the rinnegan. Sasuke and naurto both recieved powers from the SO6P therefor sasuke awakened the Rinnegan from getting chakra from the sage which is similar to mixing both of his sons chakra together. As for the difference in appearance is most likey because its similar to how the sharigan is different for every user that or because he got dirrect chakra from the sage but also already had a part of the sages chakra by being a reincarnation of the son.
 

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Here is my theory: Sasuke awakened the rinnegan on his own in the same way that Madara did, but the tomoes came from the yin juubi chakara that Hagoromo gave him.

Logic: Sasuke is an Uchiha with eternal mangekyou sharingan that had a near death situation and got Senju DNA (just like Madara). Therefore it would make sense for him to awaken the rinnegan (the normal version) just as Madara did. So where did the tomoes come from and why didn't Madara get them?

Well consider this: What eye is often associated with tomoes? The sharingan of course! Now what type of chakara awakens and develops the sharingan? The answer is yin chakara. Therefore, tomoes are the product of yin chakara.

I am sure that we can all see that Naruto's sun mark represents Yang while Sasuke's moon is yin. This means that Hagoromo clearly gave Sasuke yin chakara, but we all knew this. The question is: How much yin chakara did he give Sasuke and was it exactly his own yin chakara?

This is where my theory comes in: Hagoromo gave Sasuke the shinju's reservoir of yin chakara. This amount of chakara equates to 9 tomoes. You may be wondering, "How did Hagoromo give Sasuke something that he did not have?".

Answer: He did have it. It just wasn't inherent to his own body. Remember this: When Hagoromo appeared, he still had truth seeking balls, the staff, the cloak, flight abilities and more despite being long dead. It was as if he were still the juubi's jinchuuriki. I theorize that he was in fact at least partially still the jinchuuriki or at least a pseudo jinchuuriki. When he did whatever he did in order to allow his chakara to persist through time, he must have left a large portion of juubi chakara inside of his own chakara incarnation. Thus the chakara incarnation that we saw was still essentially a juubi jinchuuriki.

All juubi jinchuurikis (not including Naruto's form) have access to the 9 tomoe eye despite the fact that they don't have it on their actual heads. Think about it: Obito was able to unleash and control the shinju. The tree was even stated by Hiruzen to be like an extension of Obito. The shinju has the 9 tomoe eye. Since, the shinju has the 9 tomoe eye and since Obtio had the shinju, by transitive property, Obito had the 9 tomoe eye. The 9 tomoe eye is 9 tomoes of yin chakara.

Additionally, jinchuurikis are able to give their bijuu's chakara to other people as evidenced by Naruto giving everybody Kurama's chakara.
It therefore makes sense that Hagoromo as a juubi jinchuuriki would have been able to give the shinju's chakara to Naruto and Sasuke. This is further evidenced by the fact that Naruto got truth seeking balls which is known to be a trait of juubi jinchuurikis. This further serves to prove my point that Hagoromo gave Naruto and Sasuke the juubi's chakara (not just his own). Therefore it is feasible that he gave Sasuke the juubi's yin chakara which was responsible for the 9 tomoes.

Summary:
1. Sasuke legitimately awakened the normal rinnegan on his own.
2. The 9 tomoes were a product of the shinju's yin chakara that Hagoromo gave to Sasuke.

Madara was presumably never given power by the sage. Therefore, he did not get the shinju's yin chakara (until now of course). That is why Madara only got the normal rinnegan.

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How so? He is an Uchiha. He has EMS. He got Hashirama's cells. What is wrong about this?

That's not how you unlock the rinnegan, have you read the last 5 chapters of the manga?
 

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ok first senju dna does not matter as stated the sage said you need both asuras chakra and induras chakra to awaken the rinnegan or the sages chakra. Second madara said he awakend the same straight tome Rinnegan as me. He then said we must have somthing similar and madaras not sure what that similariety is. the fact is madara awakend the rinnegan because he was the reincarnation of one brother and hash was the other reincarnation so when he stole hash's dna and added to his he obtained both of there chakra and then latter awakend the rinnegan. Sasuke and naurto both recieved powers from the SO6P therefor sasuke awakened the Rinnegan from getting chakra from the sage which is similar to mixing both of his sons chakra together. As for the difference in appearance is most likey because its similar to how the sharigan is different for every user that or because he got dirrect chakra from the sage but also already had a part of the sages chakra by being a reincarnation of the son.
OK, first you are speaking of the procedure for the standard Rinnengan, Sasuke's Rinnengan is not standard.

Second, Ashura's descendant=Ashura's power to a certain extent. Evidence can be seen of this from the fact that Nagato was able to weild the Rinnengan thanks to his senju heritage. Also we have proof that Uchiha+ Senju= Sage's power through Obito's Izanagi. Hashi DNA also allowed him to improve his connection to the Juubi.

Its weird that Sasuke's Rinnengan only appeared on his left side, the side where he was given Sage's chakra so I am sure it also had something to do with its manifestation.

The Rinnengan being only only in one eye can be thanks to Ashura's power being less potent seeing how Hashi is not Ashura. In other words the power from Ashura's descendant could have only been enough to awaken one eye
 
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because he has half of the sage's chakra and half Indra.

Madara got indra and Ashura, resulting to the full sage's chakra
 

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That's not how you unlock the rinnegan, have you read the last 5 chapters of the manga?
Read what Shiro Yakasha said. It is not just about Indra and Ashura. Madara read the tablet that was left by Hagoromo himself and still said that you needed Senju and Uchiha DNA (not just Indra and Ashura's).

Also, most if not all Senjus would have at least some degree of great Yang chakara due to genetics. Ashura's was just the greatest. People mistakenly think that the sage meant that only Indra and Ashura's chakara could awaken rinnegan. Those are just the two best options to use.
 

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because he has half of the sage's chakra and half Indra.

Madara got indra and Ashura, resulting to the full sage's chakra
Senju DNA would still have to contribute because u need Senju DNA to utilize Rinnengan
 

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Read what Shiro Yakasha said. It is not just about Indra and Ashura. Madara read the tablet that was left by Hagoromo himself and still said that you needed Senju and Uchiha DNA (not just Indra and Ashura's).

Also, most if not all Senjus would have at least some degree of great Yang chakara due to genetics. Ashura's was just the greatest. People mistakenly think that the sage meant that only Indra and Ashura's chakara could awaken rinnegan. Those are just the two best options to use.

I'd rather read what the manga said.
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I'd rather read what the manga said.
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Once again standard Rinnengan when Sasuke's Rinnengan is nonstandard

So no one will try to refute me:happy:
 
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Loved what u wrote but when I saw the words

Truth Seeking Balls I lost it and lmao hard
 

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ok first senju dna does not matter as stated the sage said you need both asuras chakra and induras chakra to awaken the rinnegan or the sages chakra. Second madara said he awakend the same straight tome Rinnegan as me. He then said we must have somthing similar and madaras not sure what that similariety is. the fact is madara awakend the rinnegan because he was the reincarnation of one brother and hash was the other reincarnation so when he stole hash's dna and added to his he obtained both of there chakra and then latter awakend the rinnegan. Sasuke and naurto both recieved powers from the SO6P therefor sasuke awakened the Rinnegan from getting chakra from the sage which is similar to mixing both of his sons chakra together. As for the difference in appearance is most likey because its similar to how the sharigan is different for every user that or because he got dirrect chakra from the sage but also already had a part of the sages chakra by being a reincarnation of the son.

Not confirmed That straight tomoe is rinnegan,evidence points to it being ems, he pointed it out When Sasuke didn't even have the juubi eye. He also said Only him nd Sasuke unlocked it, not him Sasuke and the Sage..
 

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A lot of these theories love to completely ignore the manga fact that sasuke was given both hashirama chakra by hashirama and hashirama cells by kabuto.don't know if its ignorance or just absent mindedness.....
 

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you are inccorrect on Madara saying he awoke the same straight tome rinnegan as him. chapter 657 page 10 I can feel it.. Your Mangekyou is a... straight comma. And saskue only awoke a 6 tome rinn. but on Narutopedia it says that his Rinn tomes dissapeared for an unknown reason but he still maintains the ability to us his MS abilitys.
 

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you are inccorrect on Madara saying he awoke the same straight tome rinnegan as him. chapter 657 page 10 I can feel it.. Your Mangekyou is a... straight comma. And saskue only awoke a 6 tome rinn. but on Narutopedia it says that his Rinn tomes dissapeared for an unknown reason but he still maintains the ability to us his MS abilitys.

This theory and this thread was made over a year ago.
 
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