why do people take away minato's feat as a jin?

[Draphsin]

Still he died as a jinchuriki no matter what he did .

Exactly, he died a jinchuuriki, he didn't live while a jin, so he doesn't have it while alive.

1. we havent seen itachi fight while he was healthy. also awakening them doesnt men he was proficient in them as he was when he was sick. when sasuke first used amateratsu he wasnt as good at it as say kage summit/fight with danzo. also it was less strain on his eyes.

1. Yes we have, edo itachi shows us what a healthy itachi is capable of, just like edo minato shows us what a SM minato is capable of.

2. Where did I say he automatically became proficient at using them? Itachi awakened his mangekyou at the age of 13, & died at the age of 21. That gives him 8 years to train his mangekyou before his death, sasuke mastered his MS in one-two days. Laughable if you think that itachi didn't master his MS during that time & especially considering he was more skilled than sasuke.

2. thats like saying madara and obito can use all six paths even though they havent. nagato hasnt either. he didnt show them to jirairy(on screen) either so we dont really know when he learned they, we only know when he showed them. same could be said for madara(before juubijn) prime madara doesnt have rinnegan but edo does. nobody had a problem with giving madara edo feats.

Nagato can use all the paths, do you even know how the rinnegan works? Lol

& Nobody gave alive madara edo feats, I have no idea where you got that from.

3. what i meant by that is saying minato isnt a jin is like saying im only going to uses minato up to this point in the story.

That doesn't even make sense. Minato died halfway through the story & got revived later on with more powers. I'm only using the alive version of minato up to the point of his death. That makes sense if you ask me.

when i said under the right circumstances i meant had minato survived as a jin, we would already have a idea of how good he would be as a jin.

But minato didn't survive as a jin, so saying that he can do what he's been doing as an edo is fanfiction. Whereas SM was a skill he gained during his life.

minato died a jin and only using minato's feats up to a certian point is wrong.

Using alive minato's feats up until his death is right. Sorry but combining two different versions of a character is what's wrong.

many people believe minato beat kurama in the reapers stomach but that would mean you have chakra in the after life(i have no reason to believe that you do). so if he did he could just as easily do it if he survived as a jin. also i believe that yin kurama is just nice and is lending minato his powers.

Again this is a "what if" scenario. The bottom line is simple, an alive character doesn't get edo feats unless they had the ability while alive. Kurama doesn't count because minato had to kill himself to seal it.

 

[Valhorus]

Exactly, he died a jinchuuriki, he didn't live while a jin, so he doesn't have it while alive.



1. Yes we have, edo itachi shows us what a healthy itachi is capable of, just like edo minato shows us what a SM minato is capable of.

2. Where did I say he automatically became proficient at using them? Itachi awakened his mangekyou at the age of 13, & died at the age of 21. That gives him 8 years to train his mangekyou before his death, sasuke mastered his MS in one-two days. Laughable if you think that itachi didn't master his MS during that time & especially considering he was more skilled than sasuke.



Nagato can use all the paths, do you even know how the rinnegan works? Lol

& Nobody gave alive madara edo feats, I have no idea where you got that from.



That doesn't even make sense. Minato died halfway through the story & got revived later on with more powers. I'm only using the alive version of minato up to the point of his death. That makes sense if you ask me.



But minato didn't survive as a jin, so saying that he can do what he's been doing as an edo is fanfiction. Whereas SM was a skill he gained during his life.



Using alive minato's feats up until his death is right. Sorry but combining two different versions of a character is what's wrong.



Again this is a "what if" scenario. The bottom line is simple, an alive character doesn't get edo feats unless they had the ability while alive. Kurama doesn't count because minato had to kill himself to seal it.

The same way I can say Edo Minato showed us what he were capable of if he lived as a jinchuriki , right ? You don't know if Itach wasn't sick in p1 too . I see double standards . Anyways it is matter of an opnions .

 

[blackstar9]

So now u will take Minato's SM out ? Get lost brah . Show me a scan where Alive Itachi used Yasaka Magatama .

I didn't take his sage mode feats. Minato did when he. admitted neve r using it in battle! Your right abouts. Magatama. But. What. Other. Tech. Did. Edo. Itachi. Use. That alive itachi didn't? Don't. Fanboy. Alive. Minato has not displayed jinn abilities
and Minato himself said he didn't use sagemode in. Battle manga fact

 

[Draphsin]

The same way I can say Edo Minato showed us what he were capable of if he lived as a jinchuriki , right ?

Please read my posts before responding, I already covered "what if" scenarios.

You don't know if Itach wasn't sick in p1 too . I see double standards . Anyways it is matter of an opnions .

I know that itachi awakened his MS jutsus at 13, I know he had 8 years to master them, I know that he's more skilled than sasuke, & I know that zetsu expected itachi to have better reflexes.

Zetsu points towards itachi being healthy for most of his life & sick only towards the end.

& even if he was sick for a significant period of time he had more than enough time to hone his abilities.

 

[ShiroT]

Exactly, he died a jinchuuriki, he didn't live while a jin, so he doesn't have it while alive.



1. Yes we have, edo itachi shows us what a healthy itachi is capable of, just like edo minato shows us what a SM minato is capable of.

2. Where did I say he automatically became proficient at using them? Itachi awakened his mangekyou at the age of 13, & died at the age of 21. That gives him 8 years to train his mangekyou before his death, sasuke mastered his MS in one-two days. Laughable if you think that itachi didn't master his MS during that time & especially considering he was more skilled than sasuke.



Nagato can use all the paths, do you even know how the rinnegan works? Lol

& Nobody gave alive madara edo feats, I have no idea where you got that from.



That doesn't even make sense. Minato died halfway through the story & got revived later on with more powers. I'm only using the alive version of minato up to the point of his death. That makes sense if you ask me.



But minato didn't survive as a jin, so saying that he can do what he's been doing as an edo is fanfiction. Whereas SM was a skill he gained during his life.



Using alive minato's feats up until his death is right. Sorry but combining two different versions of a character is what's wrong.



Again this is a "what if" scenario. The bottom line is simple, an alive character doesn't get edo feats unless they had the ability while alive. Kurama doesn't count because minato had to kill himself to seal it.

1/2. Also shows us what minato as a jin is capable of. I mean that you keep bringing up itachi during the anbu as saying we have a good example of a healthy itachi. I was saying that we've never seen him fight and even though he mightve had the ms abilities we never seen him use those either and he mightve sucked with them. edo itachi is the only true halthy itachi we can count on.

3. the nagato, if you read the rest of that one part i explain that i meant he didnt show his rinnegan abilities until he was crippled. nobodies never seen them until he was crippled. the only one he did show was summoning the gedo mezu, so edo nagato is the only TRUE healthy nagato we can refer to. people gave madara rinnegan all the time

4. all im saying is edo minato is a perfect jin. which is a accurate showing of how minato would be if he was a perfect jin. just as if he'd been revived with the 7th path he would still be a jin. whats so wrong with saying alive minato with kurama would be just like edo minato since canonically before being a edo kurama was his power whether he was a perfect jin or not. what i meant but up to a certain point in the story is that at the end of minato's life he became a jin. but people insist on using minato before this point. we know exactly how alive minato with kurama would be(the fact that kishi made him a perfect jin to me suggests that he would be a perfect jin alive) so whats wrong with applying edo feats like we do with other characters(as explained in the itachi and nagato part).

 

[ShiroT]

I didn't take his sage mode feats. Minato did when he. admitted neve r using it in battle! Your right abouts. Magatama. But. What. Other. Tech. Did. Edo. Itachi. Use. That alive itachi didn't? Don't. Fanboy. Alive. Minato has not displayed jinn abilities
and Minato himself said he didn't use sagemode in. Battle manga fact

the fact is alive minato still has sage mode. he obviously had to learn it alive to use it in edo. i didnt include sage mode because i assumed everyone knew this

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

So now u will take Minato's SM out ? Get lost brah . Show me a scan where Alive Itachi used Yasaka Magatama .

Minato did'nt use SM while alive so it should'nt be used in VS debates.And you already know Itachi did'nt use Yasaka Magatama while alive so don't be obtuse.

 

[ShiroT]

1/2. Also shows us what minato as a jin is capable of. I mean that you keep bringing up itachi during the anbu as saying we have a good example of a healthy itachi. I was saying that we've never seen him fight and even though he mightve had the ms abilities we never seen him use those either and he mightve sucked with them. edo itachi is the only true halthy itachi we can count on.

3. the nagato, if you read the rest of that one part i explain that i meant he didnt show his rinnegan abilities until he was crippled. nobodies never seen them until he was crippled. the only one he did show was summoning the gedo mezu, so edo nagato is the only TRUE healthy nagato we can refer to. people gave madara rinnegan all the time

4. all im saying is edo minato is a perfect jin. which is a accurate showing of how minato would be if he was a perfect jin. just as if he'd been revived with the 7th path he would still be a jin. whats so wrong with saying alive minato with kurama would be just like edo minato since canonically before being a edo kurama was his power whether he was a perfect jin or not. what i meant but up to a certain point in the story is that at the end of minato's life he became a jin. but people insist on using minato before this point. we know exactly how alive minato with kurama would be(the fact that kishi made him a perfect jin to me suggests that he would be a perfect jin alive) so whats wrong with applying edo feats like we do with other characters(as explained in the itachi and nagato part).

to sum it up, edo minato is a accurate depiction of minato living with kurama and edo itachi is a accurate depiction of a healthy itachi(same for nagato)

 

[Draphsin]

1/2. Also shows us what minato as a jin is capable of. I mean that you keep bringing up itachi during the anbu as saying we have a good example of a healthy itachi. I was saying that we've never seen him fight and even though he mightve had the ms abilities we never seen him use those either and he mightve sucked with them. edo itachi is the only true halthy itachi we can count on.

3. the nagato, if you read the rest of that one part i explain that i meant he didnt show his rinnegan abilities until he was crippled. nobodies never seen them until he was crippled. the only one he did show was summoning the gedo mezu, so edo nagato is the only TRUE healthy nagato we can refer to. people gave madara rinnegan all the time

4. all im saying is edo minato is a perfect jin. which is a accurate showing of how minato would be if he was a perfect jin. just as if he'd been revived with the 7th path he would still be a jin. whats so wrong with saying alive minato with kurama would be just like edo minato since canonically before being a edo kurama was his power whether he was a perfect jin or not. what i meant but up to a certain point in the story is that at the end of minato's life he became a jin. but people insist on using minato before this point. we know exactly how alive minato with kurama would be(the fact that kishi made him a perfect jin to me suggests that he would be a perfect jin alive) so whats wrong with applying edo feats like we do with other characters(as explained in the itachi and nagato part).

Done arguing, all you're doing is continuing the same nonsense over again. I already proved my points but you're just repeating what I already explained.

Anyone who can think logically will know that alive minato isn't a jin, no need to continue a pointless debate that will go nowhere with your kind of ignorance.

 

[LuckyMan]

The jinchūriki (人柱力; Literally meaning "Power of Human Sacrifice") are humans that have tailed beasts sealed within them. They exhibit extraordinary powers due to the immense chakra reserves they possess.

Minato sealed Yin Kurama inside himself. Regardless if he was only alive for 5 minutes after, the beast was sealed within him and therefore he was a jinchuriki no matter what one tries to argue.

 

[Draphsin]

The jinchūriki (人柱力; Literally meaning "Power of Human Sacrifice") are humans that have tailed beasts sealed within them. They exhibit extraordinary powers due to the immense chakra reserves they possess.

Minato sealed Yin Kurama inside himself. Regardless if he was only alive for 5 minutes after, the beast was sealed within him and therefore he was a jinchuriki no matter what one tries to argue.

What did he use to seal kurama? he used a jutsu that causes death. Meaning minato can't be a jin without having the RDS seal on him, meaning in the first 2-5 minutes of the battle minato dies because the reaper steals his soul.

 

[ShiroT]

Minato did'nt use SM while alive so it should'nt be used in VS debates.And you already know Itachi did'nt use Yasaka Magatama while alive so don't be obtuse.

you know you dont learn sage mode in the after life .. . . .so that means he learned it alive. so alive minato knew sage mode, as its not something you just develop on the fly in the heat of battle

 

[blackstar9]

the fact is alive minato still has sage mode. he obviously had to learn it alive to use it in edo. i didnt include sage mode because i assumed everyone knew this

Minato words over yours. Minato said he. Didn't use. It in. Battles! So why would a fan say. Alive minato used. It. In. Battle?

 

[LuckyMan]

What did he use to seal kurama? he used a jutsu that causes death. Meaning minato can't be a jin without having the RDS seal on him, meaning in the first 2-5 minutes of the battle minato dies because the reaper steals his soul.

Naruto also has the RDS on him. Your point is invalid.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

you know you dont learn sage mode in the after life .. . . .so that means he learned it alive. so alive minato knew sage mode, as its not something you just develop on the fly in the heat of battle

He learned SM but did'nt use it while alive,therefore it can't be used as a feat.

 

[ShiroT]

Done arguing, all you're doing is continuing the same nonsense over again. I already proved my points but you're just repeating what I already explained.

Anyone who can think logically will know that alive minato isn't a jin, no need to continue a pointless debate that will go nowhere with your kind of ignorance.

its not nonsense. its a fact that we've only seen itachi at his stongest when he was sick. and we've only seen nagato use all 6 paths when he was crippled FACT. no where in any of there flash backs have we seen them using there techniques, FACT. and your calling me ignorant? like i said the most accurate image we have of them healthy AT THERE STRONGEST is edo.

itachi when SHOWN at his strongest was sick again fact. so there is no healthy top 10 itachi. the real healthy itachi has no major feats. just like the real alive minato has no feats as a jin. just like edo itachi represents a healthy itachi at his strongest, edo minato represents minato as a perfect jin. what is wrong with giving him jin feats that he has shown in edo? the REAL itachi could never hold a susanno like in his fight because it would kill him. Yet were all fine with giving him feats the REAL itachi has never shown right? and then you call me ignorant for trying to apply the same to minato sure buddy.

again just restating. itachi can hardly spam susanno when he was alive. but you seem fine with the IF itachi was alive part. you seem fine with the WHAT IF itachi was healthy, but there is no healthy alive itachi that has shown to be as strong as the sick itachi. why is it just minato? your only major point that wasnt hypocritical was the seal being related to the shinigami so he would most likely die anyway. but his seal looked exactly like naruto's so i doubt it has anything to do with the seal itself just that it takes your soul afterwards

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Naruto also has the RDS on him. Your point is invalid.

Wrong,Naruto has a different seal on him.

 

[LuckyMan]

Wrong,Naruto has a different seal on him.

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Same seal. Its the RDS. Please stop. Minato is a jinchuriki. Deal with it.

 

[shelke]

^ I am pretty sure it's the Uzumaki whirlpool pattern.

 

[ShiroT]

Minato words over yours. Minato said he. Didn't use. It in. Battles! So why would a fan say. Alive minato used. It. In. Battle?

i never said he used it in battle. minato said he never used it in battle meaning he had it before just never used it