Clearing up Uchiha Madara's intentions in leaving Konohagakure

[DaileyM]

Welcome to NB. That's all

 

[Tenasa Uchiha]

I lik this thread

 

[Melania]

That's basically how I viewed it when I read those chapters, but you worded it quite beautifully.

This is the main reason Madara is one of my fav characters.

 

[LostCause]

Hey, ditto on the long time registrations being down, watching and waiting to.. point out overlooked information?

Most things are true but only from madaras viewpoint, guess it would be since you are defending him.

I'd like you to think about this though and not just wave it away, all the events that made it "right" according to Madara to do what he did and plan for the moon eye plan.

Madara made them happen, he caused the rift in the village by attacking it.

Same goes with obito later attacking the village with the nine tails, he caused the suspisions of the uchiha clan - leading to the coup.

If madara had played nice and worked for the ideals hashi fought for, nothing bad would have happened with the uchiha.
since obito worked on madaras part madara is to blame for the coup.

granted the only thing that still would have happened was and is the death of ninjas.
(edit) i mean ninjas fighting with other ninja, as in not internally.)


but madara is the cause for his clans demise, if he'd stayed as their leader and not pursued they moon eye plan leaving them without their needed leader, they would have been integrated in the village as where hashis wishes.

tobirama was just careful and that would had stopped once he saw it could work, what madara did made him tense up against them..

sorry for misspellings and lowercase letters, i'm on my tablet.

 

[Melania]

Hey, ditto on the long time registrations being down, watching and waiting to.. point out overlooked information?

Most things are true but only from madaras viewpoint, guess it would be since you are defending him.

I'd like you to think about this though and not just wave it away, all the events that made it "right" according to Madara to do what he did and plan for the moon eye plan.

Madara made them happen, he caused the rift in the village by attacking it.

Same goes with obito later attacking the village with the nine tails, he caused the suspisions of the uchiha clan - leading to the coup.

If madara had played nice and worked for the ideals hashi fought for, nothing bad would have happened with the uchiha.
since obito worked on madaras part madara is to blame for the coup.

granted the only thing that still would have happened was and is the death of ninjas.


but madara is the cause for his clans demise, if he'd stayed as their leader and not pursued they moon eye plan leaving them without their needed leader, they would have been integrated in the village as where hashis wishes.

tobirama was just careful and that would had stopped once he saw it could work, what madara did made him tense up against them..

sorry for misspellings and lowercase letters, i'm on my tablet.

It's also interesting to note that Madara's story was from Hashirama's point of view, and he always saw good in him.

 

[Akasuna]

Hey, ditto on the long time registrations being down, watching and waiting to.. point out overlooked information?

Most things are true but only from madaras viewpoint, guess it would be since you are defending him.

I'd like you to think about this though and not just wave it away, all the events that made it "right" according to Madara to do what he did and plan for the moon eye plan.

Madara made them happen, he caused the rift in the village by attacking it.

Same goes with obito later attacking the village with the nine tails, he caused the suspisions of the uchiha clan - leading to the coup.

If madara had played nice and worked for the ideals hashi fought for, nothing bad would have happened with the uchiha.
since obito worked on madaras part madara is to blame for the coup.

granted the only thing that still would have happened was and is the death of ninjas.
(edit) i mean ninjas fighting with other ninja, as in not internally.)


but madara is the cause for his clans demise, if he'd stayed as their leader and not pursued they moon eye plan leaving them without their needed leader, they would have been integrated in the village as where hashis wishes.

tobirama was just careful and that would had stopped once he saw it could work, what madara did made him tense up against them..

sorry for misspellings and lowercase letters, i'm on my tablet.

I believe you're confusing your time frames along with some other key information.

We can only speculate on some of your theories, however it's very well possible that Madara staying as the leader of the Uchiha would have changed naught. The public themselves were against the Uchiha, specifically Madara, which is a key point in him leaving the village: he was not wanted there. Tobirama had been the one to suggest a democracy, which is why Madara was able to admit that he had very few chances of becoming Hokage. It was up to the public, who did not want him.

Your theory is possible, but let's not forget that Madara had deciphered most of the Uchiha tablet and knew things that Hashirama didn't. We don't know what would have happened when Tobirama became Hokage if Madara had stayed with the Uchiha, but with the information that we already have about Tobirama it's safe to say that not much would have changed. Tobirama has harbored a grudge against the Uchiha for a long time, as seen by his willingness to execute Madara quickly.

The suspicion had been placed on the Uchiha before Obito attacked with the Kyuubi, and as such ideas of a coup were circulating before the attack.

 

[Mattek2008]

So basically he left because no one loved him.

I think we all know that Hashi really loved him....

 

[shishomaru 21]

the suspicion on the uchiha dissipated to an extant until obito attacked the village, thats when danzo had the 3rd keep them out the fight even tho anyone of them could've took control of karama and stopped the attack. but since they didnt help with the fox the village turned on them even more. that's one of the reasons i think danzo was in on it with either maddy or obito..

 

[xcoyote]

Madara is a clown.

 

[Zealous Sparks]

Great analysis of Madara's character. I enjoyed reading it.

And welcome to NB!

 

[Yahcob13]

But he is putting his own foot in his mouth by bringing war for the sake of peace. He doesnt seek peace at all that was a facade to manipulate Obito. He desires dominion and absolute power. He seeks the thrill of combat and triumph over a worthy opponent, which is why he was so excited about confronting Hashirama and felt so privileged vs Guy. His deepest motivation is vengance for the death of his brothers and for their sake the entire world must suffer under his tyranny. The only reason he respected Hashirama so much is because he is a worthy opponent. He wouldnt let him commit seppuku for that very reason. "I look forward to going for your juggular" he says. Oh yeah he's definitely all about peacemaking. He calls it a failed world yet he contributes to its downfall. He couldve at least sent his minion to protect his clan from being executed or stopped the coup himself. It is his world that has failed and now he is being exploited in the same manner as he did Obito.

 

[Akasuna]

But he is putting his own foot in his mouth by bringing war for the sake of peace. He doesnt seek peace at all that was a facade to manipulate Obito. He desires dominion and absolute power. He seeks the thrill of combat and triumph over a worthy opponent, which is why he was so excited about confronting Hashirama and felt so privileged vs Guy. His deepest motivation is vengance for the death of his brothers and for their sake the entire world must suffer under his tyranny. The only reason he respected Hashirama so much is because he is a worthy opponent. He wouldnt let him commit seppuku for that very reason. "I look forward to going for your juggular" he says. Oh yeah he's definitely all about peacemaking. He calls it a failed world yet he contributes to its downfall. He couldve at least sent his minion to protect his clan from being executed or stopped the coup himself. It is his world that has failed and now he is being exploited in the same manner as he did Obito.

See, this is the interesting thing about Madara's character: he essentially believes everything will be reset - forgiven - in the Tsuki no Me. He doesn't share Naruto's textbook definitions of peace, as he sees cooperation in this physical world as nothing more than a quixotic dream that deserves no better than to fade away into the faded book of history. He correctly assumes that this current world is broken beyond repair: to attempt to pick up the fragments and piece them back together is useless. Tyranny? I think not. He at least believes that the world that he creates is fair. He cares not about the actions of the current world.

He respected Hashirama because they shared the same ideals originally.

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He seeks a new world in which everything is forgiven. Obito was a mere pawn to this plan; he was Madara's mouthpiece, to be frank.

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[Icelerate]

Nice thread. Show this to Madara Rules (

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I've felt sorry for Madara when reading his story, he was truly in a harsh position.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

You know nothing jon snow

 

[Akasuna]

Fegs necroposting and shit.