[VS] Minato and Jiraiya vs Itachi and Kisame

LustyLover

Anbu Operative 🎭
Veteran
Joined
Apr 4, 2014
Messages
4,367
Reaction score
299
Honestly man just stop, if this is how you want to debate then I really don't want to be part of it and your bias.

Like seriously? What the hell is imperfect sage fusion, something you just made up?

You're calling me biased while being named "Gold Lightning" with a Minato profile picture and debating on a Minato thread.

Right.

Anyways, Jiraiya never fully mastered Sage Mode as well as Minato. This was stated in both the anime and manga long ago. Minato himself even flat out said his Sage Mode blew. Naruto, Hashirama, and Kabuto are the only ones to have mastered it fully. And seeing as he needs to FUSE with Ma or Pa in order to enter SM, it is, believe or not, called "Fusion." Astonishing, right?
 
Last edited:

A v i

Anbu Operative 🎭
Veteran
Joined
Mar 10, 2014
Messages
4,396
Reaction score
175
You're calling me biased while being named "Gold Lightning" with a Minato profile picture and debating on a Minato thread.

Right.

Anyways, Jiraiya never fully mastered Sage Mode as well as Minato. Minato himself even flat out said his Sage Mode blew. This was stated in both the anime and manga long ago. Therefore it IS imperfect. Naruto, Hashirama, and Kabuto are the only ones to have mastered it fully. And seeing as he needs to FUSE with Ma or Pa in order to enter SM, it is, believe or not, called "Fusion." Astonishing, right?

Do you know the meaning of a perfect Sage?
 

A v i

Anbu Operative 🎭
Veteran
Joined
Mar 10, 2014
Messages
4,396
Reaction score
175
Jiraiya never mastered Senjutsu.

Manga > you

Add another question to my prv question: Do you know the meaning of Senjutsu?

Now answer for both of my questions.
 
Last edited:

Gold Lightning

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Jun 16, 2012
Messages
6,823
Reaction score
448
You're calling me biased while being named "Gold Lightning" with a Minato profile picture and debating on a Minato thread.

Right.

Anyways, Jiraiya never fully mastered Sage Mode as well as Minato. Minato himself even flat out said his Sage Mode blew. This was stated in both the anime and manga long ago. Therefore it IS imperfect. Naruto, Hashirama, and Kabuto are the only ones to have mastered it fully.

"gold lightning" has nothing to do with minato at all, it's just a name I like. And your bias is causing you to downplay others abilties just because you can't debate to save your life. At least I don't have to downplay kisame and itachi to get my point across, that's just lame. Tell me how Jiraya being an imperfect sage while having a toad sage on his shoulder effect his power? His imperfect sage mode is an appearance issue only, his sage mode is still equivalent to the like of Naruto, Kabuto etc, especially since he never has to run out.

And this is how I know you are retarded, because Minato has a perfect sage mode. The whole reason for the toad fusion debate was to remove the drawbacks of sage mode, so you trying so desperately to downplay it really is sad since there is nothing to downplay as long as fukasaku and shima are there.

And in case you still aren't smart enough to get it, let me clarify for you. Minato is a perfect sage, he has fully mastered senjutsu. Only problem wrong with his sage mode is lack of practice, Naruto had the same problems as him but he improved it with training. HOWEVER, with a toad sage on his shoulder this is irrelevant since he can stay in sage mode for extended periods of time, even longer than the likes of Hashirama. Jiraya having imperfect sage mode doesn't make his sage mode weaker either, he just isn't able to utilize it on his own and he takes the appearance of a toad, BUT with a toad sage on his shoulder he is able to scrap all the drawbacks and fully maintain his sage mode and fight at full power. DO I NEED TO BREAK THIS DOWN FOR YOU EVEN FURTHER TO ELEMENTARY LEVEL??
 

LustyLover

Anbu Operative 🎭
Veteran
Joined
Apr 4, 2014
Messages
4,367
Reaction score
299
"gold lightning" has nothing to do with minato at all, it's just a name I like. And your bias is causing you to downplay others abilties just because you can't debate to save your life. At least I don't have to downplay kisame and itachi to get my point across, that's just lame. Tell me how Jiraya being an imperfect sage while having a toad sage on his shoulder effect his power? His imperfect sage mode is an appearance issue only, his sage mode is still equivalent to the like of Naruto, Kabuto etc, especially since he never has to run out.

And this is how I know you are retarded, because Minato has a perfect sage mode. The whole reason for the toad fusion debate was to remove the drawbacks of sage mode, so you trying so desperately to downplay it really is sad since there is nothing to downplay as long as fukasaku and shima are there.

And in case you still aren't smart enough to get it, let me clarify for you. Minato is a perfect sage, he has fully mastered senjutsu. Only problem wrong with his sage mode is lack of practice, Naruto had the same problems as him but he improved it with training. HOWEVER, with a toad sage on his shoulder this is irrelevant since he can stay in sage mode for extended periods of time, even longer than the likes of Hashirama. Jiraya having imperfect sage mode doesn't make his sage mode weaker either, he just isn't able to utilize it on his own and he takes the appearance of a toad, BUT with a toad sage on his shoulder he is able to scrap all the drawbacks and fully maintain his sage mode and fight at full power. DO I NEED TO BREAK THIS DOWN FOR YOU EVEN FURTHER TO ELEMENTARY LEVEL??

You needn't rise to such a higher intelligence range. I'm afraid my neurons may combust from the intense concentration required to comprehend such complexities.
 

makosheva7

Jōnin Strategist 🧠
Regular
Joined
Mar 21, 2014
Messages
1,318
Reaction score
35
You needn't rise to such a higher intelligence range. I'm afraid my neurons may combust from the intense concentration required to comprehend such complexities.

hahahahahahaha
 

makosheva7

Jōnin Strategist 🧠
Regular
Joined
Mar 21, 2014
Messages
1,318
Reaction score
35
If we're talking bloodlusted mindset here, Itachi could just Tsukuyomi off the bat so team 2 low-mid diff at most. If we're talking IC, team 1 wins as Minato can tag Itachi and blitz while Jiraiya can handle Kisame, so team 2 mid-high diff.
 

ARGUS

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Mar 14, 2014
Messages
6,324
Reaction score
319
Minato and jiraiya win this
 

VongolaX

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Jul 28, 2012
Messages
17,132
Reaction score
630
If minato fights Kisame and Itachi one on one, he'll surely win.

Both of them at the same time, I don't know if he'll win.

Jiraiya gets slaughtered, he is no way facing a bijuu level guy and a Susanoo user.
 

Minator93

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Oct 14, 2011
Messages
14,301
Reaction score
2,260
Team-1 takes this comfortably. Tbh either of the team-1 member soloes given that Itachi is the main opponent, Kisame gets killed in the crossfire U_U
 

WreckRoll

Member
Joined
Apr 21, 2014
Messages
172
Reaction score
8
Team-1 takes this comfortably. Tbh either of the team-1 member soloes given that Itachi is the main opponent, Kisame gets killed in the crossfire U_U

lmao jiraiya solos ? he gets fried and minato gets owned by kisame inside the giant water bubble
 
Joined
Apr 3, 2014
Messages
198
Reaction score
10
Minato took on obi to whis kamui is better than itachis ms and jiriyia took on pain who is stronger than both same had a is wat absorbs the chakra not kisame him self
 

ShiroT

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Jun 14, 2012
Messages
5,485
Reaction score
186
Jiraiya is a negative factor here. If Ma and Pa try ANY genjutsu on Itachi, they'll suddenly find out that they're the ones in the Genjutsu. Both of their Sage Modes are imperfect, and both of them have no counter to Tsukuyomi. Jiraiya even said he was absolutely atrocious at Genjutsu, and if Jiraiya taught Minato...well, I'll let that explain itself. Kisame isn't even needed. Itachi solos.

minato is a perfect sage
 
Top