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[Haizaki]

No one ever mentioned anything about Minato standing a chance against Gai yet you were using that as an argument to justify your reply to GL.




Read your own posts b4 talking nonsense.

You probably don't understand english properly so I can see why you didn't understand what I meant

What does stand a chance mean?

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there you go..I hope this would help you understand better..If Minato teleports away from the battlefield, how does he win...why you are wanking Gl and the other guy is none of my business as it's stupid...teleports home and then comes back..I'm confused...he doesn't "stand a chance" meaning the "Prospect of surviving this or being successful" in anyway...GL said he teleports away and comes back 5mins later...meaning Minato won

Since you my friend don't understand what "standing a chance" means then we can't argue....GL was trying to say Minato "wins"...he didn't even say he stands a chance of winning he was saying Minato wins by "teleporting home" and coming back...how is that a fight?

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Gai needs to be open the 8th gate in order to have chance against Base Minato .

 

[A v i]

You probably don't understand english properly so I can see why you didn't understand what I meant

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there you go..I hope this would help you understand better..If Minato teleports away from the battlefield, how does he win...why you are wanking Gl and the other guy is none of my business as it's stupid...teleports home and then comes back..I'm confused...he doesn't "stand a chance" meaning the "Prospect of surviving this or being successful" in anyway...GL said he teleports away and comes back 5mins later...meaning Minato won

Since you my friend don't understand what "standing a chance" means then we can't argue....GL was trying to say Minato "wins"...he didn't even say he stands a chance of winning he was saying Minato wins by "teleporting home" and coming back...how is that a fight?

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In most cases people of NB won't use literal meanings of some words/statements and "standing a chance" is one of them.You were using a scan of Minato getting kicked by Madara implying that Gai beats Minato the same way and said that Minato stands no chance where as they have never mentioned anything about Minato fighting Gai head on.If you are only concerned about Minato running away from the battle field then what is that scan doing there?:| You might be able to twist your words but you can't twist the message you were trying to convey by using that scan.:yeah:

 

[Brooks]

Minato better hope to God that Gai doesn't open the 8th Gate and use Sekizō(Evening Elephant)

whether Minato has Bijuu Mode or not is simply irrelevant after the 8th Gate.

In other words....Gai stomps him.​

 

[KidGamer65]

I never said that, I was speaking more towards reactions.

Reactions are a very important part of speed.

Madara had to make the space between them to actually counter. What is Hirodora? It's a punch, there's no difference in speed, only in the power exerted. Madara put down Sage Minato, when Minato "blitzed" with FTG like it was no bother. He didn't put Gai down as fast simply because he couldn't, hence why he backed up.

Hirudora isn't a faster punch? Manga disagrees. [

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Only because Gai's bodily movement speed (punches and kicks) and striking speed is superior. Again, doesn't mean that he'll blitz Gai. Don't know how you came up with this, but it makes no sense.

So Minato is going to have the stamina to redirect continuous attacks that are as big as Hirodora? Like I said, Minato is going to need to throw his Kunai pretty damn far if he wants to escape the blast radius.

Gai is the one who doesn't have the stamina to continuously spam Hirudora. Also, big? If he can warp away Full Kurama and still have chakra left, more than one

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isn't going to be an issue here at all. Not to mention he isn't going to get to continuously spam it.

Also, Hirudora didn't stretch across turtle island. Don't know where that came from, but its obviously false.

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-Manga clearly showed that it wasn't the whole island.

-And common sense disagrees with you as well. If it spread across the whole island, why didn't the others on the island get hit? Lmao.

Minato needed FTG to get into Madara's hitbox, Gai did it with speed alone.

That doesn't mean that he'll blitz Minato, that only means that his movement speed is superior to Minato's.

Slap yourself if you think 7G Gai is blitzing Minato and slap yourself even harder if you think Base Gai is winning.

Someone pls tell me how Minato beats Gai when 7G Gai's striking speed is as fast as Rikudo Madara's, and Rikudo Madara was able to land 3 strikes well before SM Minato could react, and SM Minato's reflexes are far greater than base Minato's.

Lol, stop. There are zero feats in the manga that lead you to this conclusion. NOTHING in

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supports this argument. Gai attacks Madara, Madara starts jumping back. Then when Gai is about to use what is suppose to be his fastest punch in the 7th Gate, Madara easily swings his staff before Hirudora can even fire and slams Gai into the ground. That spells out the opposite of your conclusion here.

 

[Touken]

Lol, stop. There are zero feats in the manga that lead you to this conclusion. NOTHING in

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supports this argument. Gai attacks Madara, Madara starts jumping back. Then when Gai is about to use what is suppose to be his fastest punch in the 7th Gate, Madara easily swings his staff before Hirudora can even fire and slams Gai into the ground. That spells out the opposite of your conclusion here.

His assault on Madara were all of his fastest punches. The only thing different with Hirudora is that it needs the unique hand seal representing a tiger to release that built up pressure. If Rikudo Madara's striking speed was superior than 7G Gai's then he would have done what he did against SM Minato [

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]; struck him before 7G Gai could strike, kinda like what 6G Gai did against Kisame [

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], Kisame strikes first but because 6G Gai's striking speed is superior, he's the one that hits his opponent first. That's what Rikudo Madara would have done if his striking speed was superior to 7G Gai's.

Hirudora exploded before Madara could strike Gai [

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[Princessu Kaaantchan]

Gai lacks the stamina to punch? :/

Hirodora is the decider, unless Minato can throw a Kunai for miles he's dead even if he teleports it - which'll probably be too fast even then.

 

[KidGamer65]

His assault on Madara were all of his fastest punches. The only thing different with Hirudora is that it needs the unique hand seal representing a tiger to release that built up pressure. If Rikudo Madara's striking speed was superior than 7G Gai's then he would have done what he did against SM Minato [

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]; struck him before 7G Gai could strike, kinda like what 6G Gai did against Kisame [

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], Kisame strikes first but because 6G Gai's striking speed is superior, he's the one that hits his opponent first. That's what Rikudo Madara would have done if his striking speed was superior to 7G Gai's.

Hirudora exploded before Madara could strike Gai [

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], not because Madara's strike landed.

Solid points. I guess I can agree. Though it doesn't necessarily mean that Gai will win, it only means that if Minato attacks him upfront, he's going to get killed.

 

[A v i]

Someone pls tell me how Minato beats Gai when 7G Gai's striking speed is as fast as Rikudo Madara's, and Rikudo Madara was able to land 3 strikes well before SM Minato could react, and SM Minato's reflexes are far greater than base Minato's.

Gai's attacks are fast but that dosen't mean that his attacks are as fast as Madara's.Even Hinata pushed Pain backwards the way same Gai did against Madara

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.Now you are not going to tell me Hinata's striking speed is same as that of Pain are you? We are talking about armless Minato.He was panting while fighting against Zetsu which indicates that he was in a weak state.In case of Madara as well as Obito it is Minato who was trying to attack and got trolled but in case of Gai he won't engage him like that as he knew the fact that he can't land a hit on a gates user in a CQC battle and everything Minato needs to do is to teleport away whenever gated Gai tries to attack him.

Minato canonically managed to avoid 8th gate speed which means that countering any attack from 7th gate Gai is a piece of cake for Minato. If Minato tries to fight him head on like he did against Juubi jins then Gai definitely hits him like you said but it is not going to happen if he plays defence against Gai.

 

[Tenasa Uchiha]

Minato i say

 

[lelerskates]

Base Gai takes base Minato without summons. 7G Gai should blitz and stomp.

LOLOLOLOLOL No. 7th gate Gai isn't even beating base Minato. Never in a million years. As a matter of fact. I don't think 8th gate Gai is beating Minato either. 6th gate Lee threw a kunai and Minato teleported to it, took the truth seeker orbs and teleported away before Gai moved closer towards Madara. Minato wins even if Gai goes 8 gates because Minato has instant movement while Gai just has super speed.

 

[Touken]

Gai's attacks are fast but that dosen't mean that his attacks are as fast as Madara's.Even Hinata pushed Pain backwards the way same Gai did against Madara

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.Now you are not going to tell me Hinata's striking speed is same as that of Pain are you? We are talking about armless Minato.He was panting while fighting against Zetsu which indicates that he was in a weak state.In case of Madara as well as Obito it is Minato who was trying to attack and got trolled but in case of Gai he won't engage him like that as he knew the fact that he can't land a hit on a gates user in a CQC battle and everything Minato needs to do is to teleport away whenever gated Gai tries to attack him.

xD, what? Hinata attacking God Realm isn't even comparable to 7G Gai attacking Rikudo Madara. God Realm wasn't fighting back, and when he did, Hinata almost died, plus, I'd assume Hinata's striking speed is greater than God Realm's considering she's a Hyuuga and they have the fastest striking speeds. Dude, he wasn't in a weak state. Madara trying to TnJ Obito gave Minato enough time to enter SM, and SM Minato >>> base Minato. So the plan for Minato is to try and wait out Gai?

Minato canonically managed to avoid 8th gate speed which means that countering any attack from 7th gate Gai is a piece of cake for Minato. If Minato tries to fight him head on like he did against Juubi jins then Gai definitely hits him like you said but it is not going to happen if he plays defence against Gai.

Show me where. If you're referring to this [

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] then I assure you that wasn't 8G Gai's fastest speed. He wasn't even running, he only took one step, and he did that to advance towards Madara. This is Gai's top speed in Gates [

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], kicking up air currents due to running. Did you see that when he advanced towards Madara in his 5th Step? No. 8G Gai completely blitzes any form of Minato.

 

[DMT]

8th gate is not restricted ?

Yagai destroys minato

 

[Bogard]

Someone pls tell me how Minato beats Gai when 7G Gai's striking speed is as fast as Rikudo Madara's, and Rikudo Madara was able to land 3 strikes well before SM Minato could react, and SM Minato's reflexes are far greater than base Minato's.

His striking speed is nowhere near as fast as Rikudo Madara's. He only went backwards because he wanted to. When he actually felt like it, he sent 7gated Gai with his fastest attack relying and broke his ribs and left arm in one swing

As for SM Minato, he was one-armed and was still forming a senpou rasengan before attacking all that before Rikudo Madara's sight and when you look at the panel closely you'll realise he was still close to hit Rikudo Madara, but Rikudo Madara reacted a split of second faster to cut his last arm with his staff. Now armless, he had no way to defend himself against the 2 other hits

His assault on Madara were all of his fastest punches. The only thing different with Hirudora is that it needs the unique hand seal representing a tiger to release that built up pressure. If Rikudo Madara's striking speed was superior than 7G Gai's then he would have done what he did against SM Minato [

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]; struck him before 7G Gai could strike, kinda like what 6G Gai did against Kisame [

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], Kisame strikes first but because 6G Gai's striking speed is superior, he's the one that hits his opponent first. That's what Rikudo Madara would have done if his striking speed was superior to 7G Gai's.

Hirudora exploded before Madara could strike Gai [

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], not because Madara's strike landed.

SM Minato was still forming a rasengan before even attacking Rikudo Madara. His arm was backwards and had to travel the opposite direction before hiting his opponent and Rikudo Madara simply cut it midway.

Gai clearly said Afternoon tiger is his fastest punch by describing it by being faster than any other [

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For example, Madara's Susanoo was inches away Naruto when Gai was far behind and Madara's Susanoo attacked Naruto before, but Gai was able to perform Hirudora faster than him despite being physically restrained by the woods [

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It requires no handseals. Gai said it's only a punch(faster than any other), and punch don't require handseals, so the joining arm only represent the attack punch stand

 

[A v i]

xD, what? Hinata attacking God Realm isn't even comparable to 7G Gai attacking Rikudo Madara. God Realm wasn't fighting back, and when he did, Hinata almost died, plus, I'd assume Hinata's striking speed is greater than God Realm's considering she's a Hyuuga and they have the fastest striking speeds. Dude, he wasn't in a weak state. Madara trying to TnJ Obito gave Minato enough time to enter SM, and SM Minato >>> base Minato.

I don't get how they aren't comparable.Those are similar feats on different scals and Minato was clearly weaker during his battle with Zetsu as you can see

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.Minato getting enough time to enter SM won't change anything unless you think that Minato restored himself during that time and no need to mention about Minato's hand and Bijju's extraction.Regardless,Minato was forced to attack Madara in that condition otherwise he wouldn't have carelessly tried to attack Madara.

So the plan for Minato is to try and wait out Gai?

No,In this case Gai'll be forced to use gates.If Gai won't use gates then Minato kills him in matter of secs so Gai's only option to do something to Minato is to use Gates and try to attack him as quickly as possible.Minato has considerable knowledge on gates so he is not going to engage gated Gai carelessly and he plays defence unti Gai runs out of gates then kills him.

Show me where. If you're referring to this [

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] then I assure you that wasn't 8G Gai's fastest speed. He wasn't even running, he only took one step, and he did that to advance towards Madara. This is Gai's top speed in Gates [

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], kicking up air currents due to running. Did you see that when he advanced towards Madara in his 5th Step? No. 8G Gai completely blitzes any form of Minato.

Gai was moving with same speed in all of those scans.Madara was following Gai's movements in the scan that you posted to show the top speed of Gai and even countered EE in next page without any probs.Regardless,Minato is one of two people among good guys to be able to follow 8th gate Gai's movements so 7th gate ain't surprising Minato by any means.I won't say that Minato can avoid all of 8th gate movements but he can avoid one or two attacks from Gai.8th Gate obviously stomps him.

 

[Touken]

His striking speed is nowhere near as fast as Rikudo Madara's. He only went backwards because he wanted to. When he actually felt like it, he sent 7gated Gai with his fastest attack relying and broke his ribs and left arm in one swing

As for SM Minato, he was one-armed and was still forming a senpou rasengan before attacking all that before Rikudo Madara's sight and when you look at the panel closely you'll realise he was still close to hit Rikudo Madara, but Rikudo Madara reacted a split of second faster to cut his last arm with his staff. Now armless, he had no way to defend himself against the 2 other hits

He only want backwards because he wanted to? C'mon man... I'm sorry, but that's a pretty bad excuse. Everything points to 7G Gai forcing Madara backwards, plus, it doesn't even make sense if he wanted to go backwards considering you're claiming he's superior in striking speeds. It literally makes no sense at all. As soon as he entered 7G, he had Madara on the back foot, and was even close to speeds which would have completely blitz Rikudo Madara [

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], hence why Madara widened his eye in surprise and also had an exclamation mark. You can clearly see in the first panel of the next page that Rikudo Madara barely had the time to put his arm down to guard himself against Gai's punch. The only reason he was able to strike Gai was because Gai stopped applying pressure on him (stopped attacking him) to form the hand seal for Hirudora, and no, his strike didn't connect with Gai. If it did, he'd be dead. His arm and ribs hurt because he just used 7G (in the Viz it says hurt, not broken).

Of course he was close to hitting Rikudo Madara, he used FTG. That alone is enough to catch almost all of NV off guard. Armless Minato could have FTG'd out before he took anymore damage, the fact that he didn't suggests he simply didn't react to Madara's attacks, so Rikudo Madara's striking speed was at least 3 times faster than Minato's reaction speed.

SM Minato was still forming a rasengan before even attacking Rikudo Madara. His arm was backwards and had to travel the opposite direction before hiting his opponent and Rikudo Madara simply cut it midway.

Yeah... you're talking about his striking speed. If the target isn't marked, the person using FTG to teleport to a kunai has to heavily rely on striking speed. This is because they're teleported right on the kunai and so have to move their arm more than they would if the target himself was marked.

Gai clearly said Afternoon tiger is his fastest punch by describing it by being faster than any other [

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For example, Madara's Susanoo was inches away Naruto when Gai was far behind and Madara's Susanoo attacked Naruto before, but Gai was able to perform Hirudora faster than him despite being physically restrained by the woods [

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It requires no handseals. Gai said it's only a punch(faster than any other), and punch don't require handseals, so the joining arm only represent the attack punch stand

The hand seal is needed to release the built up pressure. Anyway, this is all pretty much irrelevant, considering when Gai uses Hirudora, he has to wait for it all to explode, meaning it then no longer has anything to do with his striking speed.

 

[Bogard]

He only want backwards because he wanted to? C'mon man... I'm sorry, but that's a pretty bad excuse. Everything points to 7G Gai forcing Madara backwards, plus, it doesn't even make sense if he wanted to go backwards considering you're claiming he's superior in striking speeds. It literally makes no sense at all. As soon as he entered 7G, he had Madara on the back foot, and was even close to speeds which would have completely blitz Rikudo Madara [

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], hence why Madara widened his eye in surprise and also had an exclamation mark. You can clearly see in the first panel of the next page that Rikudo Madara barely had the time to put his arm down to guard himself against Gai's punch. The only reason he was able to strike Gai was because Gai stopped applying pressure on him (stopped attacking him) to form the hand seal for Hirudora, and no, his strike didn't connect with Gai. If it did, he'd be dead. His arm and ribs hurt because he just used 7G (in the Viz it says hurt, not broken).

Madara is a lazy fighter, always wanting to have fun in everything and sometimes allowing himself to get hit simply because it procures him this much fun. He would never actually go all out if he knows he is superior unless he has no other choice.

The context between Gai vs Rikudo Madara and Minato vs Rikudo Madara are different because

1- Minato was using senjutsu Madara knew was dangerous to him
2- Minato was trying to interfere with him getting a hold of the Yin half of Kurama and his left eye's Rinnegan. If he had not counter-attacked sooner, Kakashi may have had warped Obito out of his range

When against Gai

1- There was no urge at all
2- He would never feel those tiny punches, only when did Gai tried a more dangerous and direct attack that he actually felt like it and countered it in one swing

Of course he was close to hitting Rikudo Madara, he used FTG. That alone is enough to catch almost all of NV off guard. Armless Minato could have FTG'd out before he took anymore damage, the fact that he didn't suggests he simply didn't react to Madara's attacks, so Rikudo Madara's striking speed was at least 3 times faster than Minato's reaction speed.

FTG had nothing to do with it. All what FTG did was close the distance instantly. The rasengan formation, rasengan redirection and Madara's counter all that happened after teleportation

Minato had no intention to evade any attack. He was ported in his offensive before getting brutally blocked. And counter-blocking is always faster than using FTG because blocking is only physical movement when FTG requires a molding of chakra before usage. With the lack of an arm, he lacked the possibility to guard himself(which is faster than using FTG in such a close range situation). For example, Minato was actually trying to use FTG to save Naruto but got surprised by an attack coming from his side and had to block instead of teleport [

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], so not only it wasn't in his mindset, but he was physically restrained

So with the lack of arms, he couldn't physically block the 2 other kicks

Yeah... you're talking about his striking speed. If the target isn't marked, the person using FTG to teleport to a kunai has to heavily rely on striking speed. This is because they're teleported right on the kunai and so have to move their arm more than they would if the target himself was marked.

Not at all. I'm saying that after teleportation, there was an attack formation time(formation of rasengan) even before attempting to strike Madara. So between the formation of the rasengan and the actual striking attack, Madara had a room to counter

The hand seal is needed to release the built up pressure. Anyway, this is all pretty much irrelevant, considering when Gai uses Hirudora, he has to wait for it all to explode, meaning it then no longer has anything to do with his striking speed.

There is no waiting at all. The moment he cross his fingers, the attack goes, just like how the moment i clap my hands, there is a sound effect. It took no time for it to blow Madara's Susanoo away despite it attacking a closer target faster. The drawing around the fingers only represent the way the punch is made/formed. It's still a taijutsu move, not a ninjutsu like rasengan or FTG that actually requires a chakra molding

 

[Tenasa Uchiha]

Minato wins

 

[HNIC]

Madara was forced backwards, we clearly see that in that scan. Gai landed two blows that pushed Madara back, in the midst of transitioning into a roundhouse kick. It's literally right there in your faces and are still trying to argue against it, what logic is this?

 

[Bogard]

Madara was forced backwards, we clearly see that in that scan. Gai landed two blows that pushed Madara back, in the midst of transitioning into a roundhouse kick. It's literally right there in your faces and are still trying to argue against it, what logic is this?

You don't always go back when you're forced. You can go back just for fun, just like you can go back for prevention or for other motives. Gai landed no hit on Madara and was countered directly when he used his fastest attack in the mode

 

[HNIC]

I don't get how they aren't comparable.Those are similar feats on different scals and Minato was clearly weaker during his battle with Zetsu as you can see

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.Minato getting enough time to enter SM won't change anything unless you think that Minato restored himself during that time and no need to mention about Minato's hand and Bijju's extraction.Regardless,Minato was forced to attack Madara in that condition otherwise he wouldn't have carelessly tried to attack Madara.



No,In this case Gai'll be forced to use gates.If Gai won't use gates then Minato kills him in matter of secs so Gai's only option to do something to Minato is to use Gates and try to attack him as quickly as possible.Minato has considerable knowledge on gates so he is not going to engage gated Gai carelessly and he plays defence unti Gai runs out of gates then kills him.




Gai was moving with same speed in all of those scans.Madara was following Gai's movements in the scan that you posted to show the top speed of Gai and even countered EE in next page without any probs.Regardless,Minato is one of two people among good guys to be able to follow 8th gate Gai's movements so 7th gate ain't surprising Minato by any means.I won't say that Minato can avoid all of 8th gate movements but he can avoid one or two attacks from Gai.8th Gate obviously stomps him.

Restore? Weakened? You do know Edo don't tire or exhaust. Minato's encounter with Zetsu had no exhausting affect on him, unlike it would for Kakashi. Bijuu extraction on a body that feels no pain or anything of the human body means nothing in this regard.

Gai is only forced into agates with Minato threatens his reaction speed, particularly his hand speed. We already acknowledge that Gai has superior hand speed and previous scans show that others have either striked faster and evenly with Minato.

Gai at his own comfort can level-up in Gates if he sees fit, as each opened Gate itself enhances ones ability greatly.

Minato able to follow 8th gate Gai movements? Watching a fight in observation is completely different than having to encounter it in an actual fight. Similarly to the genin watching Lee's movement against Garra. Most are able to follow but obviously wouldn't be able to in an actual fight. If Minato's kunia aren't preset or removed, him being able to follow Gai would mean nothing if his can't react in time.