[Theory] Sasuke's Rinnegan Tech: Renewable Izanagi

[valandil988]

Just for all you people out there that haven't twigged yet on what Sasuke's left eye can do.

Sasuke has demonstrated several abilities that are what we would term "unnatural" Madara himself stated that his "dodge" wasn't in fact a "dodge" ie Sasuke did not dodge the attack or even get hit by it. (like how Danzo's Izanagi worked)

When Madara launched his lightning at Sasuke what happened is that Sasuke changed his own existence. He simply offset his "coordinates" by a few meters, Ie he basically told reality that he was in fact over there not at the original coordinates. This is not a Space time ninjutsu as many are saying. It is something far more potent than a simple ST jutsu. It can be used for far more than say even the Hiraishin.

Many would argue that using a space time jutsu is not "dodging" well I would beg to differ, the user in question still has to activate his jutsu to escape and physically move to a new location. Sasuke on the other hand can simply tell reality to shove its causality up its ass by being in a new location simply because "he always was" in essence reality is conforming to his will.

Sasuke has gained an unparalleled control over Izanagi, ie it is not so simple as Danzo's own grasp of the technique which involved negating mortal damage. Sasuke can alter everything about his own state of being, ie health, position, and manipulate other objects and people, as he did with Naruto by altering his own position.

Truly I'm not sure there are any limits to this jutsu's capabilities in WHAT it can do.

The limitations I believe are:

Imagination, Sasuke has to understand what he is trying to do, if he can't come up with a way to use his jutsu its effectively worthless.

Chakra, I expect that while not extremely tiring as he has used it successively in the recent battle with madara I believe that it has no small chakra requirement.

And last but not least (as pointed out by numerous others on the forum) the number of Tomoe on his Rinnegan eye, he has nine in total, ergo he can use Izanagi a total of 3 times before needing to wait for them to "regenerate", they seemed to regen quite fast during battle needing only a matter of seconds to regen much like Nagato's own Shinra Tensei limitation of 5 seconds. Ergo much like with other Rinnegan techniques it does have a weakness.

Overall I believe this is a very cool addition to Sasuke's abilities and fits his skill set quite nicely. I can't wait to see a Izanagi powered genjutsu...

The reason I say its not a teleporting technique like ST jutsu is this:

Oh a space time jutsu that can only be used 3 times in succession??? Wow man that SUCKS. Minato would eat him alive in that case.

 

[daredevil123]

that would be total BS i hope that doesent happen

 

[Tenasa Uchiha]

I agree with you man

 

[valandil988]

that would be total BS i hope that doesent happen

It has, that's what his techs do lol . Trying to believe otherwise is more or less going against manga fact.

I'm not a Sasuke fan but I am pleased to see more use of a jutsu that has more or less been forgotten.

 

[Colonel Armstrong]

well.....long time ago somebody said he would be able to stop time so anything is possible now

 

[dark legion]

Renewable ??!!

Do u know what that means .!! He would be the new God of NV,,, a man that never dies !!! Sage would never give sasuke such a power (kishi to be more specific )-- there is no man who deserves such as Renewable Izanagi ..cuz in the 1st place it doesn't exists .

that's why "effect of using izanagi loses sight" -so it don't be overused , bored, or making the main role in a combat .

 

[valandil988]

Renewable ??!!

Do u know what that means .!! He would be the new God of NV,,, a man that never dies !!! Sage would never give sasuke such a power (kishi to be more specific )-- there is no man who deserves such as Renewable Izanagi ..cuz in the 1st place it doesn't exists .

that's why "effect of using izanagi loses sight" -so it don't be overused , bored, or making the main role in a combat .

Essentially yes.

However remember he can die, if he uses up all three charges of Izanagi he would become vulnerable for a few seconds. Against someone super fast like Naruto that could spell disaster. Ultimately Sasuke needs a technique like this to give him a chance against people like Naruto.

 

[roncato]

You're wrong here.

 

[valandil988]

You're wrong here.

.......*waits for explanation incoming*

 

[-ahhimane-]

Your theory is FAR from saying the theory analysis on Sasuke's ability from chapter 674.
It's like a fanfic which you totally made up by considering only the dodging from lightning part.
If I had to believe in your theory then I had to agree that his sword can also use Izanagi to say " My place isn't inside a rock, it's in Madara's chest" Lol
Sorry for such rude words but I thought I needed to say it.

 

[Tdogg]

Just for all you people out there that haven't twigged yet on what Sasuke's left eye can do.

Sasuke has demonstrated several abilities that are what we would term "unnatural" Madara himself stated that his "dodge" wasn't in fact a "dodge" ie Sasuke did not dodge the attack or even get hit by it. (like how Danzo's Izanagi worked)

When Madara launched his lightning at Sasuke what happened is that Sasuke changed his own existence. He simply offset his "coordinates" by a few meters, Ie he basically told reality that he was in fact over there not at the original coordinates. This is not a Space time ninjutsu as many are saying. It is something far more potent than a simple ST jutsu. It can be used for far more than say even the Hiraishin.

Many would argue that using a space time jutsu is not "dodging" well I would beg to differ, the user in question still has to activate his jutsu to escape and physically move to a new location. Sasuke on the other hand can simply tell reality to shove its causality up its ass by being in a new location simply because "he always was" in essence reality is conforming to his will.

Sasuke has gained an unparalleled control over Izanagi, ie it is not so simple as Danzo's own grasp of the technique which involved negating mortal damage. Sasuke can alter everything about his own state of being, ie health, position, and manipulate other objects and people, as he did with Naruto by altering his own position.

Truly I'm not sure there are any limits to this jutsu's capabilities in WHAT it can do.

The limitations I believe are:

Imagination, Sasuke has to understand what he is trying to do, if he can't come up with a way to use his jutsu its effectively worthless.

Chakra, I expect that while not extremely tiring as he has used it successively in the recent battle with madara I believe that it has no small chakra requirement.

And last but not least (as pointed out by numerous others on the forum) the number of Tomoe on his Rinnegan eye, he has nine in total, ergo he can use Izanagi a total of 3 times before needing to wait for them to "regenerate", they seemed to regen quite fast during battle needing only a matter of seconds to regen much like Nagato's own Shinra Tensei limitation of 5 seconds. Ergo much like with other Rinnegan techniques it does have a weakness.

Overall I believe this is a very cool addition to Sasuke's abilities and fits his skill set quite nicely. I can't wait to see a Izanagi powered genjutsu...

The reason I say its not a teleporting technique like ST jutsu is this:

Oh a space time jutsu that can only be used 3 times in succession??? Wow man that SUCKS. Minato would eat him alive in that case.

Since we saw his rinnegan in spoilers before it came out that week I have been saying he will have "Perfect Izanagi" and when we saw the loss of tomoe I first assumed drawing error, but after rereading the pain fight I believe it to be as you said, on a timer like Shinra Tensei. Good post!

 

[valandil988]

Your theory is FAR from saying the theory analysis on Sasuke's ability from chapter 674.
It's like a fanfic which you totally made up by considering only the dodging from lightning part.
If I had to believe in your theory then I had to agree that his sword can also use Izanagi to say " My place isn't inside a rock, it's in Madara's chest" Lol
Sorry for such rude words but I thought I needed to say it.

Hm okay,

I said Sasuke could also affect the world around him not just internally as with Danzo's own Izanagi which could only effect his own state of being.

Ergo Sasuke could also effect his swords place in reality just as he did with Naruto's position when they attacked Madara, or change Madara's position.

Now instead of us talking about this idea (which isn't just mine btw a few other people had this idea before me), lets argue the finer points of it being a space time ninjutsu.

Now Madara would have NO trouble at all identifying a space time ninjutsu, he has had LOTS of experience with it from Obito and Tobirama's own jutsu. IE he would know if something even remotely similar was being used. Ergo what Sasuke did must be sufficiently different from a Space time ninjutsu to confuse Madara of all people from figuring it out straight away. It can't be something so obvious as ST jutsu.

And compared to Naruto's power up its pretty weak in my opinion if that is the case.

At numerous points throughout the chapter we see Sasuke's eyes with varying numbers of Tomoe, they can't ALL be drawing mistakes. First with 9, then with 6 then with 0. I'm sorry but to me that's all Kishi has to do to point out the obvious of whats going on.

If you need him to spell it out to you that's fine but don't trash talk an idea just because you don't want to even entertain the idea for what ever reason -which I might add you failed to state why you dislike the idea.

 

[002]

Although this is far fetched and probably very inaccurate, what if the page where Sasuke's Rinne-Sharringan eye thing (call it what ever, i have no name for it) is blank due to the fact of him soley activating a rinnegan technique that didnt require the sharringan at the time. The sharringan probably got temporarily deactivated to use the technique that only required the rinnegan. What if Sasuke could willingly utilize both the rinnegan and sharringan in his peft eye seperately as well as simultaneously? Just a quick, far fetched thought. Of course, yes, it could really just be a drawing error on Kishimoto's part, but I figured I would just toss out what was on my mind regarding the fact.

Also renewable Izanagi seems retarded. I know Danzo already used it but it is a stupid idea to re-incorporate such a technique.

 

[Complex]

I don't thinks so.

 

[valandil988]

Although this is far fetched and probably very inaccurate, what if the page where Sasuke's Rinne-Sharringan eye thing (call it what ever, i have no name for it) is blank due to the fact of him soley activating a rinnegan technique that didnt require the sharringan at the time. The sharringan probably got temporarily deactivated to use the technique that only required the rinnegan. What if Sasuke could willingly utilize both the rinnegan and sharringan in his peft eye seperately as well as simultaneously? Just a quick, far fetched thought. Of course, yes, it could really just be a drawing error on Kishimoto's part, but I figured I would just toss out what was on my mind regarding the fact.

Also renewable Izanagi seems retarded. I know Danzo already used it but it is a stupid idea to re-incorporate such a technique.

You have spent a lot of time suggesting that what I'm saying is wrong, my question to you would be this:

What else could it be that isn't a shitty power up like a space time ninjutsu that can only be used 3 times.

I'm sorry you can ignored the Tomoe disappearing by passing it off as a DRAWING ERROR lol. Kishi allowed a mistake like that to be published on the brand new Rinnegan he gave Sasuke??? No way in hell.

Also Madara calls it the Rinnegan so its the Rinnegan. the second someone says that Sasuke is using the Sharingan and Rinnegan in the SAME eye I'll come back and agree with you but as is your statement is as much a shot in the dark as my own is.

I don't thinks so.

*Slowly claps condescendingly*

Wow what is it with all the "I don't think so" brigade coming out today?

If you don't agree explain why for god sake.

 

[Faith of Sasuke]

It isn´t that unrealistic as some of you say, but it still can´t be like that, because then he could tell "Reality" that Madara is dead and Madra would die.

 

[valandil988]

It isn´t that unrealistic as some of you say, but it still can´t be like that, because then he could tell "Reality" that Madara is dead and Madra would die.

A good point, and I have thought about this.

But my only counter point would be this:

Depending on what Sasuke wants to do the chakra requirements increase exponentially. Ergo if he "wished" Madara dead he would need more chakra than Madara currently has to carry out the effect. Ergo it would be impossible to do so considering what he would be trying to do.

Changing objects location I would expect is not that chakra intensive much like moving Madara, himself or his sword. Doing anything else I would expect is far more resource intensive.

Its a weak explanation but I believe it would be a workable concept. He could for example will weak ninja dead just not ninja stronger than himself. For example he couldn't will the moon to crash into the earth because the energy needed would be immense.

I hope this is a plausible explanation.

 

[Faith of Sasuke]

You have a point.
And how do you explain the range of his Jutsu? Still with Chakra Ressource?

 

[valandil988]

You have a point.
And how do you explain the range of his Jutsu? Still with Chakra Ressource?

I haven't seen any particular range limitation demonstrated in all honesty. However it would make sense that the further away you try to create an effect or change something the harder it is to do.

When Madara ran at high speed we see Sasuke more or less catch up to him almost instantly. Think about that for a moment, a guy with all the tailed beasts is near matched by a guy without any. Does that not stink of something fishy?

And we already know Madara doesn't recognize it as a Space time ninjutsu, if it was he would have understood it by now. The fact he hasn't speaks strongly that it isn't a space time ninjutsu. For example Madara was able to read Minato's attack and arrival when he used Hiraishin on him, however he did not manage the same with Sasuke's attack. This means that the indicators that Madara read for when Minato attacked were not there when Sasuke caught up with him.

 

[Faith of Sasuke]

But still Madara says: " It looks that if I get this far he can´t use his Rinnegan"(p. 15) and in addition: "But your still really fast Sasuke"(p.17). I don´t think he "izanagied" to Madara.