Naruto VS. Sasuke

[Turson]

Nothing implies it did, so I have no reason to believe it did. It never does anything by itself cause it needs someone to control it.

Everytime when Gedo Mazo did something, it required some chakra imput from the user. Im basing my poinion on this.

 

[KidGamer65]

Everytime when Gedo Mazo did something, it required some chakra imput from the user. Im basing my poinion on this.

Lol, that was when Nagato summoned it. It was never shown sucking the chakra out of any of its users after that. Not Madara, nor Obito.

And even then, it doesn't mean that the Gedo's strength is dependent on the user.

 

[Turson]

Lol, that was when Nagato summoned it. It was never shown sucking the chakra out of any of its users after that. Not Madara, nor Obito.

Madara did some handseals, so it did require chakra imput from his part. It was the same with Obito.

 

[KidGamer65]

Madara did some handseals, so it did require chakra imput from his part. It was the same with Obito.

Hand Signs=/=Sucking chakra out of his body. Not to mention its visibly different from Nagato, not to mention it still doesn't prove your argument. If you are just going to repeat the same thing over and over again then I guess this discussion is over.

 

[Turson]

Hand Signs=/=Sucking chakra out of his body. Not to mention its visibly different from Nagato, not to mention it still doesn't prove your argument. If you are just going to repeat the same thing over and over again then I guess this discussion is over.

Im repeating it simply becuase you wasnt able to debunkt it. You say: they only controlled it. I say: it also cost them some chakra. How does it prove it your point? Please... Gedo Mazo in both cases was already full of Bijuus, its not like Obito or Madara had to strain themselves to use its abilities.

 

[KidGamer65]

Im repeating it simply becuase you wasnt able to debunkt it. You say: they only controlled it. I say: it also cost them some chakra. How does it prove it your point? Please... Gedo Mazo in both cases was already full of Bijuus, its not like Obito or Madara had to strain themselves to use its abilities.

Manga has stated that Gedo Mazo is

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. I have no need to attempt to debunk something that isn't supported by the manga at all. Where is this "Its strength is dependent on their chakra" "Madara only pulled out the Bijuu because of his own strength" nonsense coming from? Where are you even getting the nonsensical correlation that them spending chakra to use its abilities means that its strength is dependent on the user? I have seen nothing but opinions from you this whole discussion. Post some evidence or don't post at all. The one making unfounded claims here is you, not me.

Gedo Mazo was full of Bijuu when Madara used it? Lol what?

 

[Icelerate]

They are portrayed to be equals, but at this moment i see Sasuke winning more times than not because of the lack of knowledge concerning Sasuke's Rinnengan ability

Yay you finally support Sasuke.

That doesn't mean the Gedo took chakra from him. It means he made the hand signs to make the Gedo use its chains.

Madara used a jutsu through the Mazou to capture the bijuu which

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. It was him that activated the chains while the Mazou was the medium through which this jutsu was initiated. Since it was Madara casting a jutsu, manga logic has proved many times that the stronger a shinobi is (meaning more skilled, stronger chakra/better chakra reserves, etc.), the stronger the jutsu's effect. Think of Madara activating the Mazou's chains to Tsunade using her medical ninjutsu to treat others via Katsuyu (

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). Basically, since Tsunade was low on chakra, Katsuyu couldn't heal the kages even though Katsuyu has its own power/chakra. Similarly, if Madara was weak, who is to say that the binding chains would work as effectively as they did? Logic implies they won't work as effectively in such a scenario.

An excuse to the Katsuyu/Tsunade comparison might be that it was the chakra from Tsunade's Yin seal that is used directly to heal the kages. Well I have a another example to show you (

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), in this particular thread, I basically prove that Kirikiri mae is casted by Temari through her weasel as a medium but the weasel can only travel through the winds Temari herself produces. Since a stronger Temari is going to be able to propel Kamatari at faster speeds, KKM will be stronger and its strength will be dependent on the summoner, not the summon, even though the summon is the medium through which the jutsu does damage. Moreover, the summoner only indirectly contributes to the damage caused by the attack similar to the Madara/Gedou Mazou situation where the Gedou Mazou spawns the chains but Madara's strength in activating the Gedou Mazou may have an effect on the strength of the chain binding jutsu.

It doesn't make sense that the Mazou with its own power is strong enough to overpower nine bijuu considering the total power of the nine bijuu is much stronger than the Mazou.

OT: I believe Sasuke can beat Naruto high difficulty comparing Sasuke's feats within the latest chapter to Naruto's feats the chapter before, I say Sasuke is the stronger one.

 

[Turson]

Yay you finally support Sasuke.

Madara used a jutsu through the Mazou to capture the bijuu which

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. It was him that activated the chains while the Mazou was the medium through which this jutsu was initiated. Since it was Madara casting a jutsu, manga logic has proved many times that the stronger a shinobi is (meaning more skilled, stronger chakra/better chakra reserves, etc.), the stronger the jutsu's effect. Think of Madara activating the Mazou's chains to Tsunade using her medical ninjutsu to treat others via Katsuyu (

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). Basically, since Tsunade was low on chakra, Katsuyu couldn't heal the kages even though Katsuyu has its own power/chakra. Similarly, if Madara was weak, who is to say that the binding chains would work as effectively as they did? Logic implies they won't work as effectively in such a scenario.

An excuse to the Katsuyu/Tsunade comparison might be that it was the chakra from Tsunade's Yin seal that is used directly to heal the kages. Well I have a another example to show you (

You must be registered for see links

), in this particular thread, I basically prove that Kirikiri mae is casted by Temari through her weasel as a medium but the weasel can only travel through the winds Temari herself produces. Since a stronger Temari is going to be able to propel Kamatari at faster speeds, KKM will be stronger and its strength will be dependent on the summoner, not the summon, even though the summon is the medium through which the jutsu does damage. Moreover, the summoner only indirectly contributes to the damage caused by the attack similar to the Madara/Gedou Mazou situation where the Gedou Mazou spawns the chains but Madara's strength in activating the Gedou Mazou may have an effect on the strength of the chain binding jutsu.

It doesn't make sense that the Mazou with its own power is strong enough to overpower nine bijuu considering the total power of the nine bijuu is much stronger than the Mazou.

OT: I believe Sasuke can beat Naruto high difficulty comparing Sasuke's feats within the latest chapter to Naruto's feats the chapter before, I say Sasuke is the stronger one.

Yep, this thing right here.

 

[KidGamer65]

Y
Madara used a jutsu through the Mazou to capture the bijuu which

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. It was him that activated the chains while the Mazou was the medium through which this jutsu was initiated. Since it was Madara casting a jutsu, manga logic has proved many times that the stronger a shinobi is (meaning more skilled, stronger chakra/better chakra reserves, etc.), the stronger the jutsu's effect. Think of Madara activating the Mazou's chains to Tsunade using her medical ninjutsu to treat others via Katsuyu (

You must be registered for see links

). Basically, since Tsunade was low on chakra, Katsuyu couldn't heal the kages even though Katsuyu has its own power/chakra. Similarly, if Madara was weak, who is to say that the binding chains would work as effectively as they did? Logic implies they won't work as effectively in such a scenario.

An excuse to the Katsuyu/Tsunade comparison might be that it was the chakra from Tsunade's Yin seal that is used directly to heal the kages. Well I have a another example to show you (

You must be registered for see links

), in this particular thread, I basically prove that Kirikiri mae is casted by Temari through her weasel as a medium but the weasel can only travel through the winds Temari herself produces. Since a stronger Temari is going to be able to propel Kamatari at faster speeds, KKM will be stronger and its strength will be dependent on the summoner, not the summon, even though the summon is the medium through which the jutsu does damage. Moreover, the summoner only indirectly contributes to the damage caused by the attack similar to the Madara/Gedou Mazou situation where the Gedou Mazou spawns the chains but Madara's strength in activating the Gedou Mazou may have an effect on the strength of the chain binding jutsu.

It doesn't make sense that the Mazou with its own power is strong enough to overpower nine bijuu considering the total power of the nine bijuu is much stronger than the Mazou.

OT: I believe Sasuke can beat Naruto high difficulty comparing Sasuke's feats within the latest chapter to Naruto's feats the chapter before, I say Sasuke is the stronger one.

Makes sense. I guess I'll agree.

 

[shelke]

Speculation in regards to the Mezo are strong in this thread.