Naruto VS. Sasuke

[Turson]

The only thing the manga has stated is the degree of control, nothing else. The better the factors behind Rinnegan, the better the control.

Going by this logic Obito would have to problem with pulling Kurama out of Naruto, which wasnt the case. Naruto, along with the others, pulled the Bijuus out of him. Strenght of the users is decisive in this - if Sasuke is not stronger than Naruto, he wont be able to rip off Bijuus from him. As simple as that.

I am going to ignore the rest of the post, as you seem to carry this in every thread.

Simply becuase so many fanboys / haters do not realise that Naruto and Sasuke are meant to be equal. If I enlightened even a one person, I did a good job.

That's because the participants themselves were the ones pulling. Madara himself wasn't pulling them in, he was using the Mazo to do it.

Dude, Gedo Mazo by itself is just a statue. Madara was pulling that chakra through the Gedo Mazo.

 

[shelke]

Going by this logic Obito would have to problem with pulling Kurama out of Naruto, which wasnt the case. Naruto, along with the others, pulled the Bijuus out of him. Strenght of the users is decisive in this - if Sasuke is not stronger than Naruto, he wont be able to rip off Bijuus from him. As simple as that.

Are you talking about that Juubito incident? I am sure you damn well know that it was plot driven and made little sense.

 

[Turson]

Are you talking about that Juubito incident? I am sure you damn well know that it was plot driven and made little sense.

Not really. If it was just Naruto I would say that you are right, it was a plot. But in this case we are talking about Naruto, Sasuke, and thousands of other shinobis.

 

[KidGamer65]

Dude, Gedo Mazo by itself is just a statue. Madara was pulling that chakra through the Gedo Mazo.

Don't know where you are getting this from, but it definitely isn't the manga.

-Gedo Mazo is a statue, but that doesn't mean it can't act. Don't know where you got that from, but again, its false. It can move on its own, the user isn't constantly powering it with their chakra, that's a fanfictional standpoint.

-Madara was controlling the Mazo, making it pull the Bijuu inside. THAT is what is shown in the manga. Nothing else at all. Madara wasn't using his own chakra or power to pull out the Bijuu. That doesn't even make sense.

Going by this logic Obito would have to problem with pulling Kurama out of Naruto, which wasnt the case. Naruto, along with the others, pulled the Bijuus out of him. Strenght of the users is decisive in this - if Sasuke is not stronger than Naruto, he wont be able to rip off Bijuus from him. As simple as that.

Chakra tug of war and Gedo Mazo are two completely unrelated things. So your argument falls apart right there. Strength of the user is only important in chakra tug of war. If Sasuke were to somehow chain Naruto up the way Madara did, the Bijuu would be pulled out.

 

[shelke]

Not really. If it was just Naruto I would say that you are right, it was a plot. But in this case we are talking about Naruto, Sasuke, and thousands of other shinobis.

I am not sure how this relates to the Mezo and its Chakra chains.

 

[Turson]

It can move on its own, the user isn't constantly powering it with their chakra, that's a fanfictional standpoint.

It never moved on its own if user was not affecting it (when it was empty). It only moved on its own when it had Bijuus inside of it.

Chakra tug of war and Gedo Mazo are two completely unrelated things. So your argument falls apart right there. Strength of the user is only important in chakra tug of war. If Sasuke were to somehow chain Naruto up the way Madara did, the Bijuu would be pulled out.

Gedo Mazo uses the very same chains that are used in chakra tug of war. Nope, Sasuke wouldnt be able to pull chakra like Madara did, unsless he was stronger than Naruto.

 

[Uchiha Marshmallow]

Going by current feats Sasuke blitzes.

 

[KidGamer65]

It never moved on its own if user was not affecting it (when it was empty). It only moved on its own when it had Bijuus inside of it.

What in the world are you talking about? The user does nothing to the Mazo besides summon and control it. Nothing else. This "The Mazo moves via its user's chakra or power" is nothing but fanfiction. Nothing was ever stated nor shown that supports your stance.

Why don't you get some scans that support your claims? Cause not once in this manga has any user of the Empty Mazo constantly provided it chakra in order for it to move. Not once.

Gedo Mazo uses the very same chains that are used in chakra tug of war. Nope, Sasuke wouldnt be able to pull chakra like Madara did, unsless he was stronger than Naruto.

Chains aren't used in tug of war. Once again, where are you getting this stuff from? Cause it definitely isn't the manga.

-No chains were used when Naruto and the SA pulled the Bijuus out of Obito.

-No chains were used when Naruto and Kurama played chakra tug of war.

Madara summoned the Mazo and used it to rip Kurama out of Naruto. It being based off his own strength is fanfiction. This being related to chakra tug of war is fanfiction. Basically your whole argument is fanfiction.

 

[Turson]

What in the world are you talking about? The user does nothing to the Mazo besides summon and control it. Nothing else. This "The Mazo moves via its user's chakra or power" is nothing but fanfiction. Nothing was ever stated nor shown that supports your stance.

Nagato became a cripple, right? Gedo Mazo was absorbing chakra from him.

Chains aren't used in tug of war. Once again, where are you getting this stuff from?

I would recommend you to re-read chapter 660. Madara was able to aborb the Bijuus, but do you believe that he would be able to do same even if he wasnt that powerfull?

 

[shelke]

Anyone with the Rinnegan can summon and control it, and anyone with Uchiha and Senju dna can control it properly. Since Sasuke has the progenitor eye now, I don't see how he cannot chain the Bijuus and end the battle easily.

 

[KidGamer65]

Nagato became a cripple, right? Gedo Mazo was absorbing chakra from him.

To use a special jutsu. We've been over this. I like you failed to note why it didn't absorb from Madara both times he summoned it empty. Once as an old man and once during the war arc.

Its because the Mazo doesn't do that nonsense in order to move. The Mazo has enough energy to let Obito live even after having 9 Bijuu extracted from him, its not an empty husk with no power whatsoever.

I would recommend you to re-read chapter 660. Madara was able to aborb the Bijuus, but do you believe that he would be able to do same even if he wasnt that powerfull?

I don't need to re-read chapter 660. Nothing in that chapter helps your argument. Madara did that because he had a great enough degree of control over the Mazo, not because of his own strength.

 

[Turson]

To use a special jutsu.

Why do you think its a special jutsu? Do you have any proof for this? IMO its as normal as chakra chains.

I like you failed to note why it didn't absorb from Madara both times he summoned it empty.

Simply becuase:
1. Madara is stronger than Nagato
2. His chakra as Edo is unlimited.
Its not like it didnt take chakra from him, it just didnt affect him.

The Mazo has enough energy to let Obito live even after having 9 Bijuu extracted from him, its not an empty husk with no power whatsoever.

Mazo has some energy within itself, but thats it. It was never able to do anything by itself.

Madara did that because he had a great enough degree of control over the Mazo, not because of his own strength.

I think its the other way around. Some proof for your opinion?

 

[shelke]

Well, I am done. You kids can keep fighting.

 

[Tarinth]

With what we've seen so far, Sasuke would just easily cut Naruto in half. However,
I'm 100% positive that in future chapters, we'll see one of the following:
A.) An good counter Naruto has to these speedblitzes.
B.) Insane durability/ regeneration that Sasuke cannot get through, or at least not without using a major and slower technique.
C.) Sasuke's abilities haven't been shown clearly, and may not be as OP as it appears right now.

 

[Turson]

Well, I am done. You kids can keep fighting.

Even though Im a 24 year old man, I find it sad that KidGamer65 is no longer here.

 

[KidGamer65]

Why do you think its a special jutsu? Do you have any proof for this? IMO its as normal as chakra chains

Well your opinion is wrong considering the Soul Dragon required rods to be stabbed all throughout Nagato's back and then it sucked up his chakra and left him emaciated while Gedo Chakra Chains didn't do anything to the user at all. Meaning its different from the chains in some way.

Simply becuase:
1. Madara is stronger than Nagato
2. His chakra as Edo is unlimited.
Its not like it didnt take chakra from him, it just didnt affect him.

We saw how it takes chakra from its users. Did you see any black rods pierce Madara when he used the Mazo? I definitely didn't. Why you mentioned Edo Tensei is irrelevant considering Madara never summoned the Mazo as an Edo Tensei.

Mazo has some energy within itself, but thats it. It was never able to do anything by itself.

That doesn't mean that Madara's strength is what makes up the Mazo's strength.

I think its the other way around. Some proof for your opinion?

-Only requirement to use the Mazo is the power of Senju and Uchiha as stated by Madara.

-Mazo doesn't siphon chakra from Madara to use the Gedo Chakra Chains nor is he using his own chakra to maintain them as we have seen how the Mazo takes chakra from its user, and I definitely didn't see dozens of black rods impale Madara in the back when he summoned the Mazo.

The above two things are manga supported, where is the evidence for your opinion?

 

[Turson]

Just becuase Gedo Mazo didnt implaed Madara with rods doest mean that it didnt take any chakra from him. ->

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We can clearly see Madara making the seals.

The above two things are manga supported, where is the evidence for your opinion?

A simple logic: if Sasuke is able to take away Bijuus from Naruto that easily, then that would mean that Naruto doesnt stand a chance. Which story-wise is not the case.

 

[KidGamer65]

Just becuase Gedo Mazo didnt implaed Madara with rods doest mean that it didnt take any chakra from him. ->

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We can clearly see Madara making the seals.

That doesn't mean the Gedo took chakra from him. It means he made the hand signs to make the Gedo use its chains.

A simple logic: if Sasuke is able to take away Bijuus from Naruto that easily, then that would mean that Naruto doesnt stand a chance. Which story-wise is not the case.

Flawed logic. I never said that Sasuke will be able to chain him up with ease, but if he were to chain him up somehow, he is losing his Bijuu. Simple as that.

 

[Turson]

That doesn't mean the Gedo took chakra from him. It means he made the hand signs to make the Gedo use its chains.

Gedo Mazo was never able to do anything by itself. How do you know it didnt use Madaras chakra?

 

[KidGamer65]

Gedo Mazo was never able to do anything by itself. How do you know it didnt use Madaras chakra?

Nothing implies it did, so I have no reason to believe it did. It never does anything by itself cause it needs someone to control it.